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Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#241 » by Beenie » Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:59 pm

Bhut Jolokia wrote:Hopefully, Bam can expand his range to become a better 3 point shooter so that they can eventually play together.



I’m not a fan of this approach for Bam. Instead of trying to expand his shooting range, imo, he needs to develop into a more polished paint scorer. I’d like to see him improve his footwork to incorporate more euro-steps and spin moves a’ la Giannis. And a simple drop step baby hook addition to his back to the basket game could potentially add 2-4 points to his scoring average.
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Post#242 » by gom » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:14 am

twix2500 wrote:Even if Dipo returns I have very little confidence that he will have the time, confidence in his body and the cohesiveness with the teammates and coaches to be a star this season. I am already thinking about how can the Heat build around Lowry, Butler and Bam.

Hope this is not the case, but it's just hope at this point



If we get Lowry as a free agent signing, we won't need Oladipo. Lowry is better at shooting, scoring, and maybe even defending. Oladipo's best season is 2017-2018 when he had a 110 ORTG and a 104 DRTG. His career rating is 103/107. This season with the Heat Oladipo is 86/107 for comparison. 107 is not bad. 104 is very good for a guard.

Lowry is career 115/108, 109/108 in the playoffs. Lowry has 3 seasons with 104 DRTG. This season is not great (116/114) but In 2019-20, Lowry's DRTG was 106, considerably better than Oladipo's performance the last few seasons.

Also, Lowry may be healthier. He hasn't missed long strings of games. Since 2011-12, he has only one season with fewer than 60 games and has of course played a ton in the postseason.
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Post#243 » by twozeroMM » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:35 am

Well he's making IG post, so it seems like he's in good spirits and ill take that as a good sign.
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Post#244 » by twix2500 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:55 am

twozeroMM wrote:Well he's making IG post, so it seems like he's in good spirits and ill take that as a good sign.


I have a feeling he has made an impression with the team and organization as far as character concerns
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Post#245 » by twix2500 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:01 am

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Post#246 » by MadD23 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:16 am

gom wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Even if Dipo returns I have very little confidence that he will have the time, confidence in his body and the cohesiveness with the teammates and coaches to be a star this season. I am already thinking about how can the Heat build around Lowry, Butler and Bam.

Hope this is not the case, but it's just hope at this point



If we get Lowry as a free agent signing, we won't need Oladipo. Lowry is better at shooting, scoring, and maybe even defending. Oladipo's best season is 2017-2018 when he had a 110 ORTG and a 104 DRTG. His career rating is 103/107. This season with the Heat Oladipo is 86/107 for comparison. 107 is not bad. 104 is very good for a guard.

Lowry is career 115/108, 109/108 in the playoffs. Lowry has 3 seasons with 104 DRTG. This season is not great (116/114) but In 2019-20, Lowry's DRTG was 106, considerably better than Oladipo's performance the last few seasons.

Also, Lowry may be healthier. He hasn't missed long strings of games. Since 2011-12, he has only one season with fewer than 60 games and has of course played a ton in the postseason.



Also Lowry is expected to be playing with his grand kids pretty soon. Not sure Lowry is the answer beyond this season.
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Post#247 » by twix2500 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:19 am

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twix2500 wrote:Even if Dipo returns I have very little confidence that he will have the time, confidence in his body and the cohesiveness with the teammates and coaches to be a star this season. I am already thinking about how can the Heat build around Lowry, Butler and Bam.

Hope this is not the case, but it's just hope at this point



If we get Lowry as a free agent signing, we won't need Oladipo. Lowry is better at shooting, scoring, and maybe even defending. Oladipo's best season is 2017-2018 when he had a 110 ORTG and a 104 DRTG. His career rating is 103/107. This season with the Heat Oladipo is 86/107 for comparison. 107 is not bad. 104 is very good for a guard.

Lowry is career 115/108, 109/108 in the playoffs. Lowry has 3 seasons with 104 DRTG. This season is not great (116/114) but In 2019-20, Lowry's DRTG was 106, considerably better than Oladipo's performance the last few seasons.

Also, Lowry may be healthier. He hasn't missed long strings of games. Since 2011-12, he has only one season with fewer than 60 games and has of course played a ton in the postseason.



Also Lowry is expected to be playing with his grand kids pretty soon. Not sure Lowry is the answer beyond this season.
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Post#248 » by MartyCONLONNN » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:30 am

“gathering more information” suggests that they are looking for 2nd, 3rd opinions. They know what’s wrong but are being very thorough considering theres a chance Vic is in the longterm plans if Kawhi/Beal doesnt pan out which is a very really possibility.

If it was really bad news it wouldn’t be a question & news would be out that he’s done. But between Bam, Ira and Vic posting himself seems like this could be them carefully checking the tendon stability , the scar tissue etc. I just hope hes alright even if he’s not in Miami. Guys been through a lot right as he was breaking out.
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Post#249 » by Bishop45 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:45 am

I feel for Dippo, that Indy season looked like the launching pad for him. But better for him to have a season like that than not-- which might be life for my boi Winnie

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Post#250 » by Jfh20 » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:23 am

so much for the ""we barely survived the lakers narrative"" ...... as the the brooklyn nets )(best in the east) proceed to get blown out by them.
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Post#251 » by gom » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:55 am

Jfh20 wrote:so much for the ""we barely survived the lakers narrative"" ...... as the the brooklyn nets )(best in the east) proceed to get blown out by them.


Yeah, the Lakers even without Lebron & Davis are no pushovers.
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Post#252 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:01 am

twozeroMM wrote:Well he's making IG post, so it seems like he's in good spirits and ill take that as a good sign.


Thx I needed that.



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Post#253 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:59 am

Wade fans/geeky analytic fans might find this read interesting :

https://backpicks.com/2018/02/15/backpicks-goat-22-dwyane-wade/
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Post#254 » by HIF » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:05 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Wade fans/geeky analytic fans might find this read interesting :

https://backpicks.com/2018/02/15/backpicks-goat-22-dwyane-wade/


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Post#255 » by basketballRob » Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:22 pm

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twix2500 wrote:Even if Dipo returns I have very little confidence that he will have the time, confidence in his body and the cohesiveness with the teammates and coaches to be a star this season. I am already thinking about how can the Heat build around Lowry, Butler and Bam.

Hope this is not the case, but its just hope at this point

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This feels about right. Even if it is only something minor and he can come back in 2-3 weeks as far as this season is concerned I doubt that puts him in a position to really ball out.
That's usually the amount of time players are out with a bone bruise. Embiid missed around that amount of time with his.

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Post#256 » by Hallstar » Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:40 pm

Beenie wrote:
Bhut Jolokia wrote:Hopefully, Bam can expand his range to become a better 3 point shooter so that they can eventually play together.



I’m not a fan of this approach for Bam. Instead of trying to expand his shooting range, imo, he needs to develop into a more polished paint scorer. I’d like to see him improve his footwork to incorporate more euro-steps and spin moves a’ la Giannis. And a simple drop step baby hook addition to his back to the basket game could potentially add 2-4 points to his scoring average.

Disagree, I'd my rather Bam as the stretch 4 that's can mix it up inside next to someone like Nerlens Noel, than have him at the 5 and we're left with SF playing PF. I just don't believe we can handle the front courts with guys like Embiid, AD, Jokic etc with Bam at the 5
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Post#257 » by RexBoyWonder » Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:30 pm

Hallstar wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Bhut Jolokia wrote:Hopefully, Bam can expand his range to become a better 3 point shooter so that they can eventually play together.



I’m not a fan of this approach for Bam. Instead of trying to expand his shooting range, imo, he needs to develop into a more polished paint scorer. I’d like to see him improve his footwork to incorporate more euro-steps and spin moves a’ la Giannis. And a simple drop step baby hook addition to his back to the basket game could potentially add 2-4 points to his scoring average.

Disagree, I'd my rather Bam as the stretch 4 that's can mix it up inside next to someone like Nerlens Noel, than have him at the 5 and we're left with SF playing PF. I just don't believe we can handle the front courts with guys like Embiid, AD, Jokic etc with Bam at the 5


1) You just the only 3 Centers that even raise the chance of a problem.

2) It also depends on the PF next to Bam. If you put a kawhi there, that's a huge plus for us despite being "small". The issue we're playing 37 olds as the PF's.
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Post#258 » by DayofMourning » Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:25 pm

RexBoyWonder wrote:Wade fans/geeky analytic fans might find this read interesting :

https://backpicks.com/2018/02/15/backpicks-goat-22-dwyane-wade/


At his peak, Wade was a PER king. Not my favorite stat but it does usually coorelate with the publicly perceived best players. Wade and Paul were probably the only PER Kings who didn't win MVPs in the past couple decades.

You typically need a high PER guy surrounded by a bunch of high differential off/def rating guys if you want to win big. I think we'd take off if Bam became that. Usually involves taking a bunch of free throws.
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Post#259 » by carnageta » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:20 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
RexBoyWonder wrote:Wade fans/geeky analytic fans might find this read interesting :

https://backpicks.com/2018/02/15/backpicks-goat-22-dwyane-wade/


At his peak, Wade was a PER king. Not my favorite stat but it does usually coorelate with the publicly perceived best players. Wade and Paul were probably the only PER Kings who didn't win MVPs in the past couple decades.

You typically need a high PER guy surrounded by a bunch of high differential off/def rating guys if you want to win big. I think we'd take off if Bam became that. Usually involves taking a bunch of free throws.



Speaking of PER, Yimmy is currently 6th in the league at 31.5. He’s actually having an insane season.

Bam himself isn’t too shabby either, at over 27 (top 20).
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Post#260 » by Beenie » Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:44 pm

Hallstar wrote:
Beenie wrote:
Bhut Jolokia wrote:Hopefully, Bam can expand his range to become a better 3 point shooter so that they can eventually play together.



I’m not a fan of this approach for Bam. Instead of trying to expand his shooting range, imo, he needs to develop into a more polished paint scorer. I’d like to see him improve his footwork to incorporate more euro-steps and spin moves a’ la Giannis. And a simple drop step baby hook addition to his back to the basket game could potentially add 2-4 points to his scoring average.

Disagree, I'd my rather Bam as the stretch 4 that's can mix it up inside next to someone like Nerlens Noel, than have him at the 5 and we're left with SF playing PF. I just don't believe we can handle the front courts with guys like Embiid, AD, Jokic etc with Bam at the 5


The offensive philosophy of the team is to green light the shooters.

Jimmy and Bam are essentially the counter balance to the excessive perimeter shot taking.

Not a fan of having Bam reduced to becoming another chucker. IMO, he needs to attack the rim and evolve his game to try and become an elite level paint scorer.

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