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Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3

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Re: Miami Heat Regular Season/Speculation Thread 2021 Part 3 

Post#561 » by 3ballbomber » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:40 am

SoFlaKingReal wrote:How bad is KZ?

As i've stated before, i'm not sure why we're coddling this kid. I've nvr seen anything special in him. All the patience & development we've provided has not manifested to anything but mediocrity, inconsistency & disappointment.

What's the fascination?

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Post#562 » by Jfh20 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 5:19 am

SoFlaKingReal wrote:How bad is KZ?


terrible. im sure the heat like him for his defense but offensively his a real liability out there. he cant hit a shot to save his life, its bad.
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Post#563 » by gom » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:49 am

If Okpala can learn to hit a 3 at league average 36.7%, he will be a great asset to the team, because he can get inside very well, has some pretty good footwork, and plays some smart defense, especially for such a young player. As for Herro, I suspect that when the pressure is on, he will be on too. Achiuwa was pretty good last night. A young athletic big with dogged persistence under the basket, I think Miami has another good prospect. I fully expect these players to contribute even more next season, if they still remain on the team. I also think Dedmon already deserves a good deal. I'd keep him over Bjelica. I prefer to keep both though. ;-)
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Post#564 » by Kobewade11 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:45 am

Pharenheit wrote:https://heatnation.com/rumors/report-miami-heat-have-been-concerned-now-for-months-about-tyler-herros-celebrity-status/

Miami has to get this boy back on track. Can't have a distraction like him dragging the team down

Ethan is trash for putting this out at this juncture of the season. Tyler should deck him.
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Post#567 » by MartyCONLONNN » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:00 pm

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Leif thinks everyone Miami brings in is a star. He’s an epic homer and that’s ok. Herro is a future star to homer heat fans l so he’ll say whatever to push that. Hero’s been pretty bad. Nunn is inconsistent too.
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Post#568 » by AirP. » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:14 pm

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Using BBRef's ORTG and DRTGs.

Both Herro and Nunn have been at 112 DRTG for 2 years which is near league average.
This year Nunn is at 107 for his ORTG, but Herro is at 100 ORTG, both below league average although Herro is 7 points worse per 100 possessions.

When I watch both, I see the ball movement stop with Herro with him trying to "create". With Nunn the ball doesn't stick.

On month to month Herro was only better then Nunn offensively in December, since then Nunn has been the same or better then Herro offensively for the team.

Mon Herro | Nunn (Better ORTG that month)
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Dec 106 | 89 (Herro)
Jan 97 | 98 (Nunn)
Feb 102 | 115 (Nunn)
Mar 97 | 97 (Same)
Apr 106 | 118 (Nunn)

I'm guessing people who say Herro is more consistent is because Herro gets more minutes and that means seeing more stats on a regular basis. Nunn also is higher in PER 13.5 to 12.3 and in WS of 1.9 to 1.0.


I'd rather see Miami pay Nunn (within reason) and package Herro with more to bring in another good player vs letting Nunn walk and just keeping Herro.
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Post#569 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:34 pm

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Tyler was supposed to be shooting free throws with Jimmy on this boat but passed for ass and that Jack Harlow video shoot :lol:
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Post#570 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:36 pm

I think Herro can snap out of this funk quickly. He just needs to find his attitude and swag back. He be looking so serious these days with that hardcore smug look. He needs to get back to talking chit again and making buckets. He has it in him cause we have all seen it.
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Post#571 » by MettaWorldPanda » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:09 pm

When are we signing Duncan Robinson's bro Wagner already? Get him on a damn 10 day. Would not surprise me to see us playing the amount of days left in the season game in order to get him on two 10 days and sign him on the last day of the year so it does not effect the luxury tax. That's right up Elisburg's alley.
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Post#572 » by IggieCC » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:16 pm

I'm sure it's been stated many times, but Nunn really needs to learn to get to the free throw line. He scored 30 with zero free throws last night, which is impressive but he'll always be a hit or miss kind of player and deemed inconsistent. Watch DWade, Harden, Trae Young and learn to draw contact home boy
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Post#573 » by IggieCC » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:21 pm

the way KZ misses wide open 3s very badly (not even straight line, far and wide and such) is very disheartening. He's young and I'm sure he can get better by continuous repetition. but that kind of stuff is either you have it or not. you have it in middle school, high school, and you certainly have it as a young NBA player. I don't think he has shooters touch in his DNA. let's be real here
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Post#574 » by twix2500 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:41 pm

IggieCC wrote:the way KZ misses wide open 3s very badly (not even straight line, far and wide and such) is very disheartening. He's young and I'm sure he can get better by continuous repetition. but that kind of stuff is either you have it or not. you have it in middle school, high school, and you certainly have it as a young NBA player. I don't think he has shooters touch in his DNA. let's be real here
No KZ is not a natural shooter. Offensively the role that the Heat are developing him to play is not natural for him. He is more of a penetrator and ball handler.

You have to consider this to be his rookie season. Like Precious, KZ is a project. His minutes have been very inconsistent. Like Precious you see the physical talent.

IMO I seen KZ as Boris Diaw type of player naturally. However thats not the role the Heat wants him to play. They brought in Ariza to show KZ what they want out of him. But a high volume 3 pt shooting will be tough thing to teach him to be. I thinks he can be a competent 3 pt shooter but very skeptical for it to be his main part of his game.

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Post#575 » by twix2500 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:45 pm

Didn't get to see the game last night yet. I think this is his second game where he carried the Heat offensively, the other was the Hawks game last year.


Does that game change your mind on Nunn potential and abilities?

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Post#576 » by IggieCC » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:53 pm

twix2500 wrote:Didn't get to see the game last night yet. I think this is his second game where he carried the Heat offensively, the other was the Hawks game last year.


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if he can get to the line like 4-6 times consistently, absolutely. his stroke is pure and his attacking the basket is adequate (CAN NOT Draw fouls though :( ) I really like him and he's my only friend on the team as far as I'm concerned.
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Post#577 » by IggieCC » Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:57 pm

twix2500 wrote:
IggieCC wrote:the way KZ misses wide open 3s very badly (not even straight line, far and wide and such) is very disheartening. He's young and I'm sure he can get better by continuous repetition. but that kind of stuff is either you have it or not. you have it in middle school, high school, and you certainly have it as a young NBA player. I don't think he has shooters touch in his DNA. let's be real here
No KZ is not a natural shooter. Offensively the role that the Heat are developing him to play is not natural for him. He is more of a penetrator and ball handler.

You have to consider this to be his rookie season. Like Precious, KZ is a project. His minutes have been very inconsistent. Like Precious you see the physical talent.

IMO I seen KZ as Boris Diaw type of player naturally. However thats not the role the Heat wants him to play. They brought in Ariza to show KZ what they want out of him. But a high volume 3 pt shooting will be tough thing to teach him to be. I thinks he can be a competent 3 pt shooter but very skeptical for it to be his main part of his game.

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thanks for this. i was under the wrong assumption that he CAN shoot. probably misinformation by RexBoyWonder.

hope he can get it together because as long as he's playing we need him to be a lot better out there. show some aggression, something. he does defensively from time to time and that's probably keeping him on the roster (and injuries).
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Post#578 » by twix2500 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:44 pm

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IggieCC wrote:the way KZ misses wide open 3s very badly (not even straight line, far and wide and such) is very disheartening. He's young and I'm sure he can get better by continuous repetition. but that kind of stuff is either you have it or not. you have it in middle school, high school, and you certainly have it as a young NBA player. I don't think he has shooters touch in his DNA. let's be real here
No KZ is not a natural shooter. Offensively the role that the Heat are developing him to play is not natural for him. He is more of a penetrator and ball handler.

You have to consider this to be his rookie season. Like Precious, KZ is a project. His minutes have been very inconsistent. Like Precious you see the physical talent.

IMO I seen KZ as Boris Diaw type of player naturally. However thats not the role the Heat wants him to play. They brought in Ariza to show KZ what they want out of him. But a high volume 3 pt shooting will be tough thing to teach him to be. I thinks he can be a competent 3 pt shooter but very skeptical for it to be his main part of his game.

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thanks for this. i was under the wrong assumption that he CAN shoot. probably misinformation by RexBoyWonder.

hope he can get it together because as long as he's playing we need him to be a lot better out there. show some aggression, something. he does defensively from time to time and that's probably keeping him on the roster (and injuries).
I agree at this point of the season he needs to be more reliable offensively. However, I think the Heat need him. His defensive skill set is built for who the Heat will face in the playoffs. Plus have poor backcourt defenders in Herro, Nunn and Dragic they really need KZ skill set defensively.

Its a hard situation IMO. I think Spo slowed his development by not playing at the start of the season consistently. To let him play out his mistakes. He still has to get those butterflies out of his stomach.

I really would like to see a unit of Nunn, Herro, Precious and Okpala out there running hard uptempo offense exploiting their athleticism in the open court. But it may be too late for anything new to be added at this point.

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Post#579 » by twix2500 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:50 pm

IggieCC wrote:
twix2500 wrote:Didn't get to see the game last night yet. I think this is his second game where he carried the Heat offensively, the other was the Hawks game last year.


Does that game change your mind on Nunn potential and abilities?

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if he can get to the line like 4-6 times consistently, absolutely. his stroke is pure and his attacking the basket is adequate (CAN NOT Draw fouls though :( ) I really like him and he's my only friend on the team as far as I'm concerned.
This I agree with 100%. I think Nunn has the physical tools to get to the free throw line a lot. It would take his offensive game to the next level. Its something I used to harp on Beasley about. If Nunn can incorporate drawing fouls he would be at least an 18 pts per game player.

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Post#580 » by AirP. » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:56 pm

IggieCC wrote:the way KZ misses wide open 3s very badly (not even straight line, far and wide and such) is very disheartening. He's young and I'm sure he can get better by continuous repetition. but that kind of stuff is either you have it or not. you have it in middle school, high school, and you certainly have it as a young NBA player. I don't think he has shooters touch in his DNA. let's be real here


In the past 10 years in the NBA all types of NBA players have taught themselves to shoot 3s at much better level, Brook Lopez was a monster just down low and in the last season in Brooklyn started working and taking 3s and is a solid 3pt shooter now. It takes the individual putting in the time of course and learning to shoot it the correct way either with a trainer or with technology based feedback like NOAH which a number of NBA teams have started using. At this point I would think every NBA team would have some type of shooting technology to give players feedback.

The New York Knicks have become the latest NBA team to install Noah Basketball’s shot tracking system. Noah’s computer vision cameras were placed on six baskets at the MSG Training Center in Tarrytown, N.Y, making the Knicks the most equipped NBA team with Noah Basketball, according to the company.

New York as a team shot .337 from 3pt range last year, this year .380.
J.Randle last year 28% from 3, 40% this year.
R.Bullock last year 40% from 3, 43% this year.
RJ Barrett last year 32% from 3 38% this year.
More than half of NBA teams use Noah, including the Portland Trail Blazers and Toronto Raptors. The WNBA’s Washington Mystics and hundreds of top high school and college basketball teams use Noah, including Virginia.

https://www.sporttechie.com/new-york-knicks-add-noah-basketball-shot-tracking-system

Here's another story about AI and basketball talking about NOAH being utilized.
https://www.insidescience.org/news/artificial-intelligence-nba-basketball

Here's a video on the NOAH system.

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