What are the Knicks getting out of playing Payton?
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Man not sure who was worse at PG the last 10 or so years, Elf or Toney Douglas.
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Does Perry still have any power to keep Payton played in this team?
Are you fans of the team or the player?
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frothbrain wrote:1. CAA Perks?
2. Thibs lulling the opposing team to a false sense of security?
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401307704
Only player with a negative +/- and -9
Literally minutes.
Saving Rose
Saving Quick from Rookie wall
He letting those two close out anyways, I'm sure playoff time Payton's minutes get a legit buzzcut and we start seeing 2nd half knicks for both halves.
TBH I think those minutes are better served going to Frank but Thibs and Randle don't trust Frankie like that.
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The best thing elfrid brings is coming $5 mil off the cap next year. Maybe we can find some sucker to take him for a 2nd round pick.
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The answer to the thread is "heartburn". Now pass me some TUMS so Thibs can force feed us that greasy, talent-less gristle he calls a starting point guard.
Those last 70 seconds, Randle in a nut shell.
Awful 2 for 1 3PT attempt when we are up 2
Doesn’t close out on Sabonis --> open 3
Takes another side step off balance 3
We got sucked into the Randle vortex where all good feelings go to die.
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Awful 2 for 1 3PT attempt when we are up 2
Doesn’t close out on Sabonis --> open 3
Takes another side step off balance 3
We got sucked into the Randle vortex where all good feelings go to die.
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HighRyzer83 wrote:The best thing elfrid brings is coming $5 mil off the cap next year. Maybe we can find some sucker to take him for a 2nd round pick.
He helps save us DRose for the playoffs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Thibs eventually insert Rose into the starting lineup
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Pain and suffering, a.k.a the classic Knicks fan experience. So stop complaining.
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horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
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mpharris36 wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&DateFrom=04%2F08%2F2021
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
looking at that it's apparent that Rose has taken over as our premier PG, he's not starting games but he's playing more minutes than Payton in the stretch (27.4 to 19.1) and closing games. And when you look at IQ and his rating in the stretch, he is playing insanely well in his role as well and much of that is with Rose.
My first instinct would have been to start rose and IQ, as they've been far and away our best guards, and use Payton as a backup, but seeing as how the current method has led to 9 wins in a row I don't see why we'd mess with what's worked
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robillionaire wrote:mpharris36 wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&DateFrom=04%2F08%2F2021
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
looking at that it's apparent that Rose has taken over as our premier PG, he's not starting games but he's playing more minutes than Payton in the stretch (27.4 to 19.1) and closing games. And when you look at IQ and his rating in the stretch, he is playing insanely well in his role as well and much of that is with Rose.
My first instinct would have been to start rose and IQ, as they've been far and away our best guards, and use Payton as a backup, but seeing as how the current method has led to 9 wins in a row I don't see why we'd mess with what's worked
I think continuously asking for the bench to get us out of a hole that Payton puts us in is faulty logic. I agree you wont see Thibs change anything up during a win steak. But I don't think its sustainable to ask Rose to play +30 minutes off the bench consistently. That is +15 minute stretches without resting for a older player in Rose.
Also factor in Burks when he comes back...whos minutes does he take? Before he got COVID it was mostly IQ's minutes he was effecting. That simply can't be the case anymore with how important quickly is to the team. When Burks comes back...Rose needs to start and Burks needs to take all of Payton minutes.
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mpharris36 wrote:robillionaire wrote:mpharris36 wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&DateFrom=04%2F08%2F2021
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
looking at that it's apparent that Rose has taken over as our premier PG, he's not starting games but he's playing more minutes than Payton in the stretch (27.4 to 19.1) and closing games. And when you look at IQ and his rating in the stretch, he is playing insanely well in his role as well and much of that is with Rose.
My first instinct would have been to start rose and IQ, as they've been far and away our best guards, and use Payton as a backup, but seeing as how the current method has led to 9 wins in a row I don't see why we'd mess with what's worked
I think continuously asking for the bench to get us out of a hole that Payton puts us in is faulty logic. I agree you wont see Thibs change anything up during a win steak. But I don't think its sustainable to ask Rose to play +30 minutes off the bench consistently. That is +15 minute stretches without resting for a older player in Rose.
Also factor in Burks when he comes back...whos minutes does he take? Before he got COVID it was mostly IQ's minutes he was effecting. That simply can't be the case anymore with how important quickly is to the team. When Burks comes back...Rose needs to start and Burks needs to take all of Payton minutes.
In a playoff series you can see how Payton will become even more of a liability. It will be a lot more tougher to overcome those Payton minutes when teams are game planning more so. Nobody guards Payton even now so he's forced to take a lot of shots. It will just get worse in the playoffs. We def dont want to live and die with Payton's low efficient scoring.
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PF: Sabonis | Lauri Markkanen
SF: Lebron | Lauri Markkanen
SG: DWhite | Lonnie Walker | Shake | Ty Jerome
PG: VanFleet | Tre Jones | Rose | Deuce
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mpharris36 wrote:robillionaire wrote:mpharris36 wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&DateFrom=04%2F08%2F2021
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
looking at that it's apparent that Rose has taken over as our premier PG, he's not starting games but he's playing more minutes than Payton in the stretch (27.4 to 19.1) and closing games. And when you look at IQ and his rating in the stretch, he is playing insanely well in his role as well and much of that is with Rose.
My first instinct would have been to start rose and IQ, as they've been far and away our best guards, and use Payton as a backup, but seeing as how the current method has led to 9 wins in a row I don't see why we'd mess with what's worked
I think continuously asking for the bench to get us out of a hole that Payton puts us in is faulty logic. I agree you wont see Thibs change anything up during a win steak. But I don't think its sustainable to ask Rose to play +30 minutes off the bench consistently. That is +15 minute stretches without resting for a older player in Rose.
Also factor in Burks when he comes back...whos minutes does he take? Before he got COVID it was mostly IQ's minutes he was effecting. That simply can't be the case anymore with how important quickly is to the team. When Burks comes back...Rose needs to start and Burks needs to take all of Payton minutes.
I'd be okay with that but I actually like the way Rose and IQ are playing without Burks playing hero ball. I'd almost suggest starting Burks at PG and keeping everything else the same
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robillionaire wrote:mpharris36 wrote:robillionaire wrote:
looking at that it's apparent that Rose has taken over as our premier PG, he's not starting games but he's playing more minutes than Payton in the stretch (27.4 to 19.1) and closing games. And when you look at IQ and his rating in the stretch, he is playing insanely well in his role as well and much of that is with Rose.
My first instinct would have been to start rose and IQ, as they've been far and away our best guards, and use Payton as a backup, but seeing as how the current method has led to 9 wins in a row I don't see why we'd mess with what's worked
I think continuously asking for the bench to get us out of a hole that Payton puts us in is faulty logic. I agree you wont see Thibs change anything up during a win steak. But I don't think its sustainable to ask Rose to play +30 minutes off the bench consistently. That is +15 minute stretches without resting for a older player in Rose.
Also factor in Burks when he comes back...whos minutes does he take? Before he got COVID it was mostly IQ's minutes he was effecting. That simply can't be the case anymore with how important quickly is to the team. When Burks comes back...Rose needs to start and Burks needs to take all of Payton minutes.
I'd be okay with that but I actually like the way Rose and IQ are playing without Burks playing hero ball. I'd almost suggest starting Burks at PG and keeping everything else the same
Just to further elaborate on that, I don't want to break up the Rose and IQ combo, if you start both you'd have to bench Bullock as well, and I don't think I'd do that either as he and Randle have solid chemistry and his defense is important in the starting lineup. Randle is effectively the point guard when he's on the floor. The ball is frequently in his hands, and with Burks out there around the perimeter instead of Payton it gives Randle another guy to kick the ball out to. Burks actually played backup PG and closed games a few times this year and it wasn't terrible
Not sure who you'd close the game with though, I guess whoever has been the two hottest out of Rose, IQ, Bullock and Burks. Along with RJ, Randle, and Noel who should be solidified as closers
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gavran wrote:Pain and suffering, a.k.a the classic Knicks fan experience. So stop complaining.
We have to complain now. He's unplayable in the playoffs.
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mpharris36 wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&DateFrom=04%2F08%2F2021
horrible play that has nearly cost them multiple game during this 9 game winning streak.
this is the NET ratings of the knicks 9 game winning streak...can anyone spot the problem?
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We need to put that ELF on a SHELF! Ship him to the North Pole for all I care. I don't want him playing any meaningful minutes for our beloved New York KNACKS!
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We need Elf for the playoffs. It tends to get more physical and Elf is our biggest and strongest PG. He struggles with finesse regular season ball but playoff Payton is what we’ve been waiting for and will be rewarded in a few weeks.
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Teams must get confused going from defending Elf to defending Rose. No other teams have a rotation like the knicks.
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Kampuchea wrote:We need Elf for the playoffs. It tends to get more physical and Elf is our biggest and strongest PG. He struggles with finesse regular season ball but playoff Payton is what we’ve been waiting for and will be rewarded in a few weeks.
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