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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#81 » by PaKii94 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:39 am

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Sorry, but that's just 100% false.

Before the trade, our Off Rtg was 110.6

After the trade, our Off Rtg is 110.6


We are scoring less and are worse defensively. Forget Offensive rating.


You're not serious, are you?

I don't even know how to reply to this. I am obviously being punk'd.

You cannot possibly comment on offensive efficiency without seeing what the Offensive EFFICIENCY rating is.

It's the same, our offense has been EXACTLY as efficient since the trade as it was before the trade.

So you're saying that when measuring Offensive Efficiency, we should ignore the one and only stat that measures how efficient an offense is?



I think you were the one who mentioned how big of a factor TOs were playing in damping our offense pre trade. If that was improved we would have had a better Orating then than we do now.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#82 » by BullChit » Sat May 1, 2021 2:41 am

Just tuning in now after a social event

I thought Vuc was injured?
Is Lauri injured?



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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#83 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sat May 1, 2021 2:42 am

Ok did anyone see when Valentine too that shot and Pat wasnt even in the screen? He was already running back while the shot was going up. Its going to take a full offseason to get that guy straight.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#84 » by Just_Bullz » Sat May 1, 2021 2:43 am

Denzel is a hot mess out there.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#85 » by Red8911 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:46 am

No worries bulls have the bucks exactly where they want them to be lol
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#86 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sat May 1, 2021 2:48 am

Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#87 » by PaKii94 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:51 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.



This team has become a negative feedback loop. I thought the team was making strides towards being a winning team before the trade. But after the trade it seems like the team reset Thee sum of the players is lesser than the individuals.

Let's see if the culture can switch this off-season. PWill is like Lauri where he'll be a team player and is content on being in the background. Let's see if the team can organically push him next year to work towards being great.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#88 » by MJPipRose » Sat May 1, 2021 2:52 am

We've got low offensive upside players and not enough urgency. Team doesn’t wanna make the play-in
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Post#89 » by BullChit » Sat May 1, 2021 2:52 am

I won't be happy unless Dotson gets some burn and he gets a positivity thread along the lines of Walter Lemon Jr

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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#90 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:53 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.


Almost every time I look at him he is standing in one place. Just standing there. Never cutting, never moving hard off the ball. He needs a fire lit under him. He just doesn't play with any fire at all. In fact, this whole team plays without fire. It's really sickening. I hate to keep bringing up the Knicks but it's like night and day watching the two teams. The Knicks just play inspired ball and they just get after it. You never see them standing around waiting for something to happen. They make it happen.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#91 » by Doofer » Sat May 1, 2021 2:54 am

Why isn't Markkanen playing?
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#92 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sat May 1, 2021 2:57 am

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DASMACKDOWN wrote:Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.



This team has become a negative feedback loop. I thought the team was making strides towards being a winning team before the trade. But after the trade it seems like the team reset Thee sum of the players is lesser than the individuals.

Let's see if the culture can switch this off-season. PWill is like Lauri where he'll be a team player and is content on being in the background. Let's see if the team can organically push him next year to work towards being great.


That could be it. And I get that. He is 19. But he also willingly just is content to do nothing. He is making no imprint in the game.

Young players are usually - trigger happy. Or make alot of mistakes. Or fouls alot etc.

Pat does NONE of those things. He just makes no activity.

The fact that Aminu came in and he is active and chucking up shots just shows you how bad it is. Im just frustrated
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#93 » by CobyWhite0 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:58 am

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We are scoring less and are worse defensively. Forget Offensive rating.


You're not serious, are you?

I don't even know how to reply to this. I am obviously being punk'd.

You cannot possibly comment on offensive efficiency without seeing what the Offensive EFFICIENCY rating is.

It's the same, our offense has been EXACTLY as efficient since the trade as it was before the trade.

So you're saying that when measuring Offensive Efficiency, we should ignore the one and only stat that measures how efficient an offense is?



I think you were the one who mentioned how big of a factor TOs were playing in damping our offense pre trade. If that was improved we would have had a better Orating then than we do now.


100% agreed, the main thing keeping our offense down pre-trade was turnovers. No doubt about it.

I was only pointing out that our offense has been exactly as efficient post-trade as it was pre-trade, even though it was claimed that our offense is less efficient post-trade. So saying our offense is less efficient post-trade is a 100% falsehood, plain and simple.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#94 » by PaKii94 » Sat May 1, 2021 2:58 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.



This team has become a negative feedback loop. I thought the team was making strides towards being a winning team before the trade. But after the trade it seems like the team reset Thee sum of the players is lesser than the individuals.

Let's see if the culture can switch this off-season. PWill is like Lauri where he'll be a team player and is content on being in the background. Let's see if the team can organically push him next year to work towards being great.


That could be it. And I get that. He is 19. But he also willingly just is content to do nothing. He is making no imprint in the game.

Young players are usually - trigger happy. Or make alot of mistakes. Or fouls alot etc.

Pat does NONE of those things. He just makes no activity.

The fact that Aminu came in and he is active and chucking up shots just shows you how bad it is. Im just frustrated


Yeah that's my frustration with him and has been with Lauri but they want to play the right way. In doing so sometimes they get left behind. Unless he's made a focus I don't see PWill taking the step forward that you want to see
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#95 » by PaKii94 » Sat May 1, 2021 3:02 am

CobyWhite0 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
CobyWhite0 wrote:
You're not serious, are you?

I don't even know how to reply to this. I am obviously being punk'd.

You cannot possibly comment on offensive efficiency without seeing what the Offensive EFFICIENCY rating is.

It's the same, our offense has been EXACTLY as efficient since the trade as it was before the trade.

So you're saying that when measuring Offensive Efficiency, we should ignore the one and only stat that measures how efficient an offense is?



I think you were the one who mentioned how big of a factor TOs were playing in damping our offense pre trade. If that was improved we would have had a better Orating then than we do now.


100% agreed, the main thing keeping our offense down pre-trade was turnovers. No doubt about it.

I was only pointing out that our offense has been exactly as efficient post-trade as it was pre-trade, even though it was claimed that our offense is less efficient post-trade. So saying our offense is less efficient post-trade is a 100% falsehood, plain and simple.


I think it's because the offense post trade is at its maximum (TOs are down but this is the best the team can do) or this is the best we can expect.

While pretrade we were at a minimum (with league worse TOs we had that offensive rating. With just 1-2 less TOs a game our Orating would have been much better) or easily had potential to get better.

That's why the post trade offense is dissapointing
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#96 » by chicago paxsons » Sat May 1, 2021 3:02 am

!!!!Theis!!!!
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Post#97 » by meekrab » Sat May 1, 2021 3:04 am

Theis with the play of the game.
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Post#98 » by DASMACKDOWN » Sat May 1, 2021 3:04 am

Theis has had some amazing plays since being in Chicago
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Post#99 » by chicago paxsons » Sat May 1, 2021 3:05 am

Theis is the only bull who seems to play with any energy.
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Re: GT - Bulls v Bucks - 4/30 7 PM CST 

Post#100 » by CobyWhite0 » Sat May 1, 2021 3:05 am

DASMACKDOWN wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:
DASMACKDOWN wrote:Im like off the Pat Williams bandwagon right now. At least for this year.



This team has become a negative feedback loop. I thought the team was making strides towards being a winning team before the trade. But after the trade it seems like the team reset Thee sum of the players is lesser than the individuals.

Let's see if the culture can switch this off-season. PWill is like Lauri where he'll be a team player and is content on being in the background. Let's see if the team can organically push him next year to work towards being great.


That could be it. And I get that. He is 19. But he also willingly just is content to do nothing. He is making no imprint in the game.

Young players are usually - trigger happy. Or make alot of mistakes. Or fouls alot etc.

Pat does NONE of those things. He just makes no activity.

The fact that Aminu came in and he is active and chucking up shots just shows you how bad it is. Im just frustrated


Agreed with the bolded, but I'm not sure why anyone would be upset that Mr. Patrick Williams shows none of those negative qualities?

"Mr. Patrick Williams, can you please make more mistakes and commit more fouls" doesn't seem like something any GM would ever say.

IMO, he seems to be smart enough not to make stupid plays, and I'm happy with that.

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