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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1361 » by PhilBlackson » Fri May 7, 2021 6:30 pm

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I don't remember Bismack ever being as good as Garuba in the Euro league at 18. I also don't remember Bismack being able to hit shots outside of 5ft from the rim. Bismack is horrible comparison. The best comparison is Ibaka and I see Garuba being smaller Ibaka who can guard from guards to bigs. Offensively I don't expect him to be 20ppg scorer, but I think he will be double digit scorer who will develop consistent 3 pointer like Ibaka. Defensively he has potential be a beast, a future all nba defensive team type of player . Masai has already scouted this kid for years, so he knows what he is capable of. I would not be surprised if we draft him if our pick is outside top 5 ...


I'll start off again saying to each his own and if that's the player you like that's great, we all have our favorites...

But I do find it funny to claim Bismack is a horrible comparison (even though I wasn't comparing them as players hence pointing out the Biz/Howard comparison that was being made & Usman/Draymond one - I meant the pre-draft hype as this all world defender) then proceed to say he's like Ibaka...

1. Ibaka was a FAR MORE explosive athlete (check Serge's dunk competition dunks, he jumped from the FT line) Garuba is not an explosive one and that makes a HUGE difference as an undersized C (even though again Serge is taller) to get up there and disrupt shots. Garuba doesn't even average a couple blocks per game (1.5 to be exact) per 36 in a far less athletic league with smaller players but somehow you equate him to Serge who in his day was a near 4bpg rim protector?!??

Keeping in mind Serge is 6'10 with a 7'4+ wingspan (and was a much more explosive leaper)
Meanwhile Garuba is the size of OG, at 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan

2. Usman looks horrible offensively (hence the 4ppg) which is far more like Biz (who btw was the Euroleague leading shotblocker when he came out and amongst the top rebounders in that league) He just looks clumsy trying to handle a basketball, he's not much of a lob threat and his jumper needs A LOT of work to say the minimum before he's anywhere near consistent threat, he barely takes a single shot per game from 3 and still manages to be to shoot 30% or UNDER

The comparison that is being made for him as I said is Draymond (I didn't say Biz) but AGAIN the problem is he doesn't have any of Green's ballhandling or passing ability so you're essentially drafting him to play one side of the court and do I think he offers such a massive premium over Khem or FG who do a fine job defensively themselves?! No I do not.

Especially not with what will be likely our only lottery pick for at least the next 4-5 years. I place far more value on the Playoffs and guess who will be borderline liability then...meanwhile we've seen year after year that we need a player that can generate his own basket (until Kawhi came around and did just that) so personally I rather let our developmental staff work with someone like Keon or Bouknight and see if they can continue to improve their shooting stroke to be similar type players to perhaps Mitchell or Murray, then another Draymond that can't dribble or pass and if we don't then I'd prefer an excellent defender in his own right in Scottie Barnes that can at least run a break and pass, but that's just me.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1362 » by niQ » Fri May 7, 2021 6:38 pm

Jadoogar wrote:6th - 9th picks across several sites
The Ringer - Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Franz Wagnar, Alperen Sengun
The Athletic - Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, Davion Mitchell
NBA Draft.net - Scottie Barnes, Moses Moody, Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell
CBS - Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Scottie Barnes, Tre Mann (mitchell is next)
Tankathon - Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson, keon johnson, Corey Kispert (Mitchell is next)

Seems to be the same few guys aside from the Ringer.


Thanks for compiling this shortlist. Was planning on doing the same closer to the draft. Things will change in the next few months but good to compare with current mocks.

So... Keon Johnson?
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Post#1363 » by OAKLEY_2 » Fri May 7, 2021 7:49 pm

Think on the variables. Losing Lowry. 7-10 selection. Draft chock full of Shooting Guards. Raps like defence first but need more offence. Covet players who play and guard multiple positions. Raps like long players. Raps played it safe with the 9th pick with Poetl when Raps Casey was not demanding bigs shoot threes. Everyone shoots threes on a Nurse team even Stanley.

Moody fits most of the criteria but he is a spot up shooter like OG. He projects to back up OG and Trent Jr. At the 2-3

Mitchell isn't long. He backfills nicely for Lowry at starting 2. He can guard 1-2-3. He is extremely safe if he is there. Excellent shot creator. Distributor. Defender. Motor. Should be able to have ball to close out games.

Barnes is like Ben Simmons, has everything except NBA level shooting. That's a Nurse curse. Will be surprised to see him selected by us but would not dislike it.

Jalen Johnson is intriguing but will they like him quitting on his team? I think with OG entrenched at the 3 it will be hard for them to consider Johnson.

Bottom line we are not going to take a really long term view with our first rounder. The pick will be in situations to succeed right away.

Bouknight, Wagner and Giddey are the dark horses.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1364 » by DG88 » Fri May 7, 2021 8:25 pm

Dalek wrote:The guy I have to dig more into is Terrence Shannon Jr. He is probably more athletic than Bouknight (14 dunks last season), plays in the crazy uptempo Texas Tech offense and has a 44.4 FTr which is Harden-esque, also has a 2.5 Steal% which is really good. He is a guy I think the Raps might be interested in for his event creation upside.

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He's one prospect I could see moving up in mock drafts as we get closer to draft night. He's got great size, can defense and create his own shot. I've seen him mocked as a late 1st rounder.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1365 » by Indeed » Fri May 7, 2021 8:34 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Mitchell is a poor FT shooter and is 22 already. You're making a big mistake wasting a #7 pick on a discount Marcus Smart. You reach for the offensive potential at that draft position, not a 6'2 defensive guard.


If Mitchell 3 point shooting is real, his Kamba Walker quickness will make him a high offensive potential in this draft.
He may not have the advanced ball handling of Walker, but he will not hurt you on the defensive end like Walker.

Afterall, we need to see how he does in the workout, how confidence is our staff in improving his shooting.
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Post#1366 » by Indeed » Fri May 7, 2021 8:42 pm

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Jadoogar wrote:6th - 9th picks across several sites
The Ringer - Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Franz Wagnar, Alperen Sengun
The Athletic - Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, Davion Mitchell
NBA Draft.net - Scottie Barnes, Moses Moody, Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell
CBS - Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Scottie Barnes, Tre Mann (mitchell is next)
Tankathon - Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson, keon johnson, Corey Kispert (Mitchell is next)

Seems to be the same few guys aside from the Ringer.


Thanks for compiling this shortlist. Was planning on doing the same closer to the draft. Things will change in the next few months but good to compare with current mocks.

So... Keon Johnson?


Pretty much #6 and #7 would be Keon Johnson and Scottie Barnes in no particular order. Their potential seems to be higher.

I think the Draft Measurement may have a big or two rise up to #8, so perhaps we have few options outside of Keon and Barnes.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1367 » by Dalek » Fri May 7, 2021 9:02 pm

Indeed wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Mitchell is a poor FT shooter and is 22 already. You're making a big mistake wasting a #7 pick on a discount Marcus Smart. You reach for the offensive potential at that draft position, not a 6'2 defensive guard.


If Mitchell 3 point shooting is real, his Kamba Walker quickness will make him a high offensive potential in this draft.
He may not have the advanced ball handling of Walker, but he will not hurt you on the defensive end like Walker.

Afterall, we need to see how he does in the workout, how confidence is our staff in improving his shooting.


I have been listening to a few podcasts on prospects and one gave a very good comparison and that is Eric Bledsoe with a better shot coming in. Mitchell is a strong body with high effort on defense that should translate. Basically he is like a football player with the way he bursts to the rim with his stop start ability. Regarding the freethrows, he has been stuck at +60% that is not great, but really he has so many other huge positives that I think you can live with age and FT%. I cannot understate how much of a dog the guy is. He would be an energizer for this team in a way that KLow is.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1368 » by Dalek » Fri May 7, 2021 9:03 pm

DG88 wrote:
Dalek wrote:The guy I have to dig more into is Terrence Shannon Jr. He is probably more athletic than Bouknight (14 dunks last season), plays in the crazy uptempo Texas Tech offense and has a 44.4 FTr which is Harden-esque, also has a 2.5 Steal% which is really good. He is a guy I think the Raps might be interested in for his event creation upside.

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He's one prospect I could see moving up in mock drafts as we get closer to draft night. He's got great size, can defense and create his own shot. I've seen him mocked as a late 1st rounder.


I'd like this guy in the second round if he gets there. Texas Tech always has these wild guard prospects that are the high energy types.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1369 » by Reeko » Fri May 7, 2021 9:28 pm

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Saciid11 wrote:
I don't remember Bismack ever being as good as Garuba in the Euro league at 18. I also don't remember Bismack being able to hit shots outside of 5ft from the rim. Bismack is horrible comparison. The best comparison is Ibaka and I see Garuba being smaller Ibaka who can guard from guards to bigs. Offensively I don't expect him to be 20ppg scorer, but I think he will be double digit scorer who will develop consistent 3 pointer like Ibaka. Defensively he has potential be a beast, a future all nba defensive team type of player . Masai has already scouted this kid for years, so he knows what he is capable of. I would not be surprised if we draft him if our pick is outside top 5 ...


I'll start off again saying to each his own and if that's the player you like that's great, we all have our favorites...

But I do find it funny to claim Bismack is a horrible comparison (even though I wasn't comparing them as players hence pointing out the Biz/Howard comparison that was being made & Usman/Draymond one - I meant the pre-draft hype as this all world defender) then proceed to say he's like Ibaka...

1. Ibaka was a FAR MORE explosive athlete (check Serge's dunk competition dunks, he jumped from the FT line) Garuba is not an explosive one and that makes a HUGE difference as an undersized C (even though again Serge is taller) to get up there and disrupt shots. Garuba doesn't even average a couple blocks per game (1.5 to be exact) per 36 in a far less athletic league with smaller players but somehow you equate him to Serge who in his day was a near 4bpg rim protector?!??

Keeping in mind Serge is 6'10 with a 7'4+ wingspan (and was a much more explosive leaper)
Meanwhile Garuba is the size of OG, at 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan

2. Usman looks horrible offensively (hence the 4ppg) which is far more like Biz (who btw was the Euroleague leading shotblocker when he came out and amongst the top rebounders in that league) He just looks clumsy trying to handle a basketball, he's not much of a lob threat and his jumper needs A LOT of work to say the minimum before he's anywhere near consistent threat, he barely takes a single shot per game from 3 and still manages to be to shoot 30% or UNDER

The comparison that is being made for him as I said is Draymond (I didn't say Biz) but AGAIN the problem is he doesn't have any of Green's ballhandling or passing ability so you're essentially drafting him to play one side of the court and do I think he offers such a massive premium over Khem or FG who do a fine job defensively themselves?! No I do not.

Especially not with what will be likely our only lottery pick for at least the next 4-5 years. I place far more value on the Playoffs and guess who will be borderline liability then...meanwhile we've seen year after year that we need a player that can generate his own basket (until Kawhi came around and did just that) so personally I rather let our developmental staff work with someone like Keon or Bouknight and see if they can continue to improve their shooting stroke to be similar type players to perhaps Mitchell or Murray, then another Draymond that can't dribble or pass and if we don't then I'd prefer an excellent defender in his own right in Scottie Barnes that can at least run a break and pass, but that's just me.

I agree that Garuba shouldn’t be the pick but he is actually a very good passer. But if we’re going for a big defensive playmaker in the mold of a Draymond I would prefer Barnes, who actually has the potential to exceed a ceiling of Draymond Green.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1370 » by PoundTown » Fri May 7, 2021 10:10 pm

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PhilBlackson wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
I don't remember Bismack ever being as good as Garuba in the Euro league at 18. I also don't remember Bismack being able to hit shots outside of 5ft from the rim. Bismack is horrible comparison. The best comparison is Ibaka and I see Garuba being smaller Ibaka who can guard from guards to bigs. Offensively I don't expect him to be 20ppg scorer, but I think he will be double digit scorer who will develop consistent 3 pointer like Ibaka. Defensively he has potential be a beast, a future all nba defensive team type of player . Masai has already scouted this kid for years, so he knows what he is capable of. I would not be surprised if we draft him if our pick is outside top 5 ...


I'll start off again saying to each his own and if that's the player you like that's great, we all have our favorites...

But I do find it funny to claim Bismack is a horrible comparison (even though I wasn't comparing them as players hence pointing out the Biz/Howard comparison that was being made & Usman/Draymond one - I meant the pre-draft hype as this all world defender) then proceed to say he's like Ibaka...

1. Ibaka was a FAR MORE explosive athlete (check Serge's dunk competition dunks, he jumped from the FT line) Garuba is not an explosive one and that makes a HUGE difference as an undersized C (even though again Serge is taller) to get up there and disrupt shots. Garuba doesn't even average a couple blocks per game (1.5 to be exact) per 36 in a far less athletic league with smaller players but somehow you equate him to Serge who in his day was a near 4bpg rim protector?!??

Keeping in mind Serge is 6'10 with a 7'4+ wingspan (and was a much more explosive leaper)
Meanwhile Garuba is the size of OG, at 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan

2. Usman looks horrible offensively (hence the 4ppg) which is far more like Biz (who btw was the Euroleague leading shotblocker when he came out and amongst the top rebounders in that league) He just looks clumsy trying to handle a basketball, he's not much of a lob threat and his jumper needs A LOT of work to say the minimum before he's anywhere near consistent threat, he barely takes a single shot per game from 3 and still manages to be to shoot 30% or UNDER

The comparison that is being made for him as I said is Draymond (I didn't say Biz) but AGAIN the problem is he doesn't have any of Green's ballhandling or passing ability so you're essentially drafting him to play one side of the court and do I think he offers such a massive premium over Khem or FG who do a fine job defensively themselves?! No I do not.

Especially not with what will be likely our only lottery pick for at least the next 4-5 years. I place far more value on the Playoffs and guess who will be borderline liability then...meanwhile we've seen year after year that we need a player that can generate his own basket (until Kawhi came around and did just that) so personally I rather let our developmental staff work with someone like Keon or Bouknight and see if they can continue to improve their shooting stroke to be similar type players to perhaps Mitchell or Murray, then another Draymond that can't dribble or pass and if we don't then I'd prefer an excellent defender in his own right in Scottie Barnes that can at least run a break and pass, but that's just me.

I agree that Garuba shouldn’t be the pick but he is actually a very good passer. But if we’re going for a big defensive playmaker in the mold of a Draymond I would prefer Barnes, who actually has the potential to exceed a ceiling of Draymond Green.


Barnes to me looks like he can be a James Johnson with elite defense. I see a lot of same attributes there. Maybe an even better passer as well. Figuring out the jump shot will really make or break him in my opinion.
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Post#1371 » by Dalek » Fri May 7, 2021 11:58 pm

Really thinking the best potential starter/all-star in the 6-12 range appears to be Jaden Springer. Being 18 on draft day, he is one of the young players who can still grow.

Currently the guy is 6'4" and 204 lbs which is really solid enough to think he could play the two guard. Ideally you should be around 6'5 to 6'6" and judging from his dad and brothers this guy might not be done growing:

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His dad Gary Springer is 6'7" and his brothers who are also playing ball are a bit taller. I could see him add an inch or two to his frame considering how his frame is already built. That would make him be closer to a Devin Booker size wise.

While he is pretty stocky, he does show some bounce - maybe not on the level of Keon Johnson but pretty decent:
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Kind of cool stuff on his high school experience, gives you a sense of his confidence and poise under pressure in the UA tournament.


Overall, why he will do well: he has a serious basketball family so he has support around him, he has been a top ranked guy for a while so he has experienced a lot and he just seems like a level-headed person; add in the bball skill and leadership I just think he has star potential.
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Post#1372 » by Jadoogar » Sat May 8, 2021 12:19 am

Indeed wrote:
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Jadoogar wrote:6th - 9th picks across several sites
The Ringer - Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Franz Wagnar, Alperen Sengun
The Athletic - Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, Davion Mitchell
NBA Draft.net - Scottie Barnes, Moses Moody, Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell
CBS - Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Scottie Barnes, Tre Mann (mitchell is next)
Tankathon - Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson, keon johnson, Corey Kispert (Mitchell is next)

Seems to be the same few guys aside from the Ringer.


Thanks for compiling this shortlist. Was planning on doing the same closer to the draft. Things will change in the next few months but good to compare with current mocks.

So... Keon Johnson?


Pretty much #6 and #7 would be Keon Johnson and Scottie Barnes in no particular order. Their potential seems to be higher.

I think the Draft Measurement may have a big or two rise up to #8, so perhaps we have few options outside of Keon and Barnes.


The ringer seems to be low on Barnes (11th) and Moody (16) than most.
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Post#1373 » by Indeed » Sat May 8, 2021 1:15 am

Jadoogar wrote:
Indeed wrote:
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Thanks for compiling this shortlist. Was planning on doing the same closer to the draft. Things will change in the next few months but good to compare with current mocks.

So... Keon Johnson?


Pretty much #6 and #7 would be Keon Johnson and Scottie Barnes in no particular order. Their potential seems to be higher.

I think the Draft Measurement may have a big or two rise up to #8, so perhaps we have few options outside of Keon and Barnes.


The ringer seems to be low on Barnes (11th) and Moody (16) than most.


Maybe they value shooting and team fits.
I also question if Davion Mitchell only links to the Raptors for being higher on the draft. I wonder what are the other teams will take him over some of the high ceiling prospects in the top 10.
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Post#1374 » by OAKLEY_2 » Sat May 8, 2021 1:19 am

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Indeed wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Mitchell is a poor FT shooter and is 22 already. You're making a big mistake wasting a #7 pick on a discount Marcus Smart. You reach for the offensive potential at that draft position, not a 6'2 defensive guard.


If Mitchell 3 point shooting is real, his Kamba Walker quickness will make him a high offensive potential in this draft.
He may not have the advanced ball handling of Walker, but he will not hurt you on the defensive end like Walker.

Afterall, we need to see how he does in the workout, how confidence is our staff in improving his shooting.


I have been listening to a few podcasts on prospects and one gave a very good comparison and that is Eric Bledsoe with a better shot coming in. Mitchell is a strong body with high effort on defense that should translate. Basically he is like a football player with the way he bursts to the rim with his stop start ability. Regarding the freethrows, he has been stuck at +60% that is not great, but really he has so many other huge positives that I think you can live with age and FT%. I cannot understate how much of a dog the guy is. He would be an energizer for this team in a way that KLow is.


My thoughts exactly. I see him translating and instantly firming up the guard positions with Lowry probably signing off. Stop-start ability. He has great footwork and hustle. High level of physical co-ordination, balance and speed.
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Post#1375 » by Reeko » Sat May 8, 2021 1:29 am

Dalek wrote:Really thinking the best potential starter/all-star in the 6-12 range appears to be Jaden Springer. Being 18 on draft day, he is one of the young players who can still grow.

Currently the guy is 6'4" and 204 lbs which is really solid enough to think he could play the two guard. Ideally you should be around 6'5 to 6'6" and judging from his dad and brothers this guy might not be done growing:

Spoiler:
Image


His dad Gary Springer is 6'7" and his brothers who are also playing ball are a bit taller. I could see him add an inch or two to his frame considering how his frame is already built. That would make him be closer to a Devin Booker size wise.

While he is pretty stocky, he does show some bounce - maybe not on the level of Keon Johnson but pretty decent:
Spoiler:
Read on Twitter


Kind of cool stuff on his high school experience, gives you a sense of his confidence and poise under pressure in the UA tournament.


Overall, why he will do well: he has a serious basketball family so he has support around him, he has been a top ranked guy for a while so he has experienced a lot and he just seems like a level-headed person; add in the bball skill and leadership I just think he has star potential.

He's one of the safer picks in that range. My only concern with him is his lack of burst. Defense, shooting, BBIQ, strength, toughness, he possess all of these traits in spades. If he's there I could see the Raptors taking him. If Jakob Poeltl taught me anything, it's that the FO will be safe when selecting in the lottery, and go for an upside/potential guy in the second round.
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Post#1376 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Sat May 8, 2021 3:58 am

With Sacramento most likely being 6, I doubt they take Keon when they have a glaring hole at the 4 position. Scottie Barnes is literally perfect for them and is available at their pick

I think it’s a lock we get Keon unless someone wows our FO during workouts or our scouts really like someone like Bouknight better

I very much doubt we take Moody. I like him for Chicago because he can possibly be a stretch 4 like PJ Washington and play alongside Patrick Williams and Lavine
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Post#1377 » by YelloC » Sat May 8, 2021 4:39 am

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PhilBlackson wrote:
I'll start off again saying to each his own and if that's the player you like that's great, we all have our favorites...

But I do find it funny to claim Bismack is a horrible comparison (even though I wasn't comparing them as players hence pointing out the Biz/Howard comparison that was being made & Usman/Draymond one - I meant the pre-draft hype as this all world defender) then proceed to say he's like Ibaka...

1. Ibaka was a FAR MORE explosive athlete (check Serge's dunk competition dunks, he jumped from the FT line) Garuba is not an explosive one and that makes a HUGE difference as an undersized C (even though again Serge is taller) to get up there and disrupt shots. Garuba doesn't even average a couple blocks per game (1.5 to be exact) per 36 in a far less athletic league with smaller players but somehow you equate him to Serge who in his day was a near 4bpg rim protector?!??

Keeping in mind Serge is 6'10 with a 7'4+ wingspan (and was a much more explosive leaper)
Meanwhile Garuba is the size of OG, at 6'8 with a 7'2 wingspan

2. Usman looks horrible offensively (hence the 4ppg) which is far more like Biz (who btw was the Euroleague leading shotblocker when he came out and amongst the top rebounders in that league) He just looks clumsy trying to handle a basketball, he's not much of a lob threat and his jumper needs A LOT of work to say the minimum before he's anywhere near consistent threat, he barely takes a single shot per game from 3 and still manages to be to shoot 30% or UNDER

The comparison that is being made for him as I said is Draymond (I didn't say Biz) but AGAIN the problem is he doesn't have any of Green's ballhandling or passing ability so you're essentially drafting him to play one side of the court and do I think he offers such a massive premium over Khem or FG who do a fine job defensively themselves?! No I do not.

Especially not with what will be likely our only lottery pick for at least the next 4-5 years. I place far more value on the Playoffs and guess who will be borderline liability then...meanwhile we've seen year after year that we need a player that can generate his own basket (until Kawhi came around and did just that) so personally I rather let our developmental staff work with someone like Keon or Bouknight and see if they can continue to improve their shooting stroke to be similar type players to perhaps Mitchell or Murray, then another Draymond that can't dribble or pass and if we don't then I'd prefer an excellent defender in his own right in Scottie Barnes that can at least run a break and pass, but that's just me.

I agree that Garuba shouldn’t be the pick but he is actually a very good passer. But if we’re going for a big defensive playmaker in the mold of a Draymond I would prefer Barnes, who actually has the potential to exceed a ceiling of Draymond Green.


Barnes to me looks like he can be a James Johnson with elite defense. I see a lot of same attributes there. Maybe an even better passer as well. Figuring out the jump shot will really make or break him in my opinion.

How does Barnes compare to the current version of Thad Young?
I’ve never seen him play but the toolkit sounds similar to the Thad and his newfound playmaking.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1378 » by Reeko » Sat May 8, 2021 4:52 am

YelloC wrote:
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Reeko wrote:I agree that Garuba shouldn’t be the pick but he is actually a very good passer. But if we’re going for a big defensive playmaker in the mold of a Draymond I would prefer Barnes, who actually has the potential to exceed a ceiling of Draymond Green.


Barnes to me looks like he can be a James Johnson with elite defense. I see a lot of same attributes there. Maybe an even better passer as well. Figuring out the jump shot will really make or break him in my opinion.

How does Barnes compare to the current version of Thad Young?
I’ve never seen him play but the toolkit sounds similar to the Thad and his newfound playmaking.

I've never known Young to be elite defensively, which Barnes is at the college level and projects to be in the NBA. I would also say that Barnes is significantly better as a playmaker, he's already making advanced reads as a ball handler. He's nowhere near the scorer that Young is, his 3pt shot is spotty at best and he has zero mid range game, which Young is famous for. Barnes is more like Draymond Green with, in my opinion, some Giannis in his game.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1379 » by Indeed » Sat May 8, 2021 5:03 am

Reeko wrote:
YelloC wrote:
PoundTown wrote:
Barnes to me looks like he can be a James Johnson with elite defense. I see a lot of same attributes there. Maybe an even better passer as well. Figuring out the jump shot will really make or break him in my opinion.

How does Barnes compare to the current version of Thad Young?
I’ve never seen him play but the toolkit sounds similar to the Thad and his newfound playmaking.

I've never known Young to be elite defensively, which Barnes is at the college level and projects to be in the NBA. I would also say that Barnes is significantly better as a playmaker, he's already making advanced reads as a ball handler. He's nowhere near the scorer that Young is, his 3pt shot is spotty at best and he has zero mid range game, which Young is famous for. Barnes is more like Draymond Green with, in my opinion, some Giannis in his game.


I don't think Barnes has the vertical of Green. Basically, they are two different type of players. Barnes uses his length and size with knowledge of plays, while Green uses his athleticism.
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Re: Draft Thread Part 2 

Post#1380 » by Jerry Lucas » Sat May 8, 2021 5:19 am

Jadoogar wrote:6th - 9th picks across several sites
The Ringer - Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Franz Wagnar, Alperen Sengun
The Athletic - Scottie Barnes, Keon Johnson, Moses Moody, Davion Mitchell
NBA Draft.net - Scottie Barnes, Moses Moody, Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell
CBS - Keon Johnson, James Bouknight, Scottie Barnes, Tre Mann (mitchell is next)
Tankathon - Scottie Barnes, Jalen Johnson, keon johnson, Corey Kispert (Mitchell is next)

Seems to be the same few guys aside from the Ringer.

Wow CBS mock knows what's up.
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