Draft Thread Part 2

[Indeed]

I hope Covid didn’t get in our way of having scouts out to see these guys a bunch in person

Can’t wait to see what our FO does with a top 10 pick after years of finding/developing gems late in the draft

If you believe the Giddey rumours I'd be very concerned about what Masai does with this pick.

Tbf, last year there were rumors Masai wanted to trade up and grab Lamelo, and look at how Lamelo turned out

Lots of us here, me included, dismissed the rumor because we thought no way Masai would need interested in that sure fire bust

Lol I'm not even trolling I think this Giddey kid just rose up my board just off this one rumor

No way we have the assist, no such thing that we don't think Ball would help.
I wish they would take Stanley Johnson and even McCaw for Ball

[T-d0t]

Are we just going to ignore that both Sengun & Giddey are producing at such high levels in the TSL/NBL as 18 yr olds?

[mademan]

A lot of hate on giddey. I wouldnt mind that pick at all

[Karanpal]

Biggest thing I see with giddey is his defence who is he going to be able to stay infront of. To me he is big enough to defend 4s but is he strong enough. Another huge concern is his shot. His release is never consistent it's all over the place and he also seems to have a high center of gravity. His passing is elite but his handles are Good for a player 6"8 but def not elite from what I've seen

[Karanpal]

Jaden Springer and Bradley Beal are eerily similar from measurement and statistical POV based on their college year (year drafted):

Draft age: Beal 18.4 | Springer 18.8
Weight: Beal 207 | Springer 205
Size: Beal 6'3 ; 6'7 wingspan | Springer 6'4" ; 6'6"
TS%: Beal .575 | Springer .570
FTr: Beal .440 | Springer .441
STL%: Beal 2.5 | Springer 2.7
BLK%: Beal 2.6 | Springer 2
TRB%: Beal 12.3 | Springer 7.8
BPM: Beal 8.4 | 6.9
AST%: Beal 12.7 | Springer 24.1

From a size, weight perspective they are very similar being smooth guards who have outlier strength for their size. All the advance numbers pretty much line up except for the rebounding which Beal is like a SF, while Springer passes the ball more and that is more based on their roles in college. Beal was a scoring guard while Springer facilitates at PG.

Spoiler:

Beal was built like a tank in college:

Watch on YouTube

Springer looks like a similar athlete but not quite Beal's size and misses some of the shot separation:

Watch on YouTube

I think youre missing two key things that make them very different. Bradley Beal is a much athletic player and the way they score is so different.beal is an elite shooter and eveyone knew that was his calling. Jaden springer to me shouldnt be drafted in the top 20 I feel his game is grounded and that bully ball just won't be enough to be stopped by the length of the nba

[WuTang_CMB]

Giddey pick smells of all smoke

[WuTang_CMB]

Giddey being hyped up like Roko Ukic

[Grew]

Giddey reminds me of smaller Kelly Olynyk that just never stopped playing PG. Don't know if he's an NBA PG on either end of the floor.

Giddey probably has a higher bust potential than most players that will go in the top 15, if he can't defend and shoot at a high level, he will be run off the floor.

Obvious potential there though, just another example of how deep this draft really is. A lot is going to come down to what kind of mindset these guys have. Tons of all star potential with the right development to be had in this one.

[mademan]

Biggest thing I see with giddey is his defence who is he going to be able to stay infront of. To me he is big enough to defend 4s but is he strong enough. Another huge concern is his shot. His release is never consistent it's all over the place and he also seems to have a high center of gravity. His passing is elite but his handles are Good for a player 6"8 but def not elite from what I've seen

Ive watched Giddey play. Never thought defense was a big problem for him

Biggest issue is that 7 is a reach for him. And if you reach that high, you better be right, and he has decent amount of bust potential (where he ends up being a decent bench player and nothing else)

[Morse Code]

Definitely don’t want Giddey

[WuTang_CMB]

Definitely don’t want Giddey

Denzel valentine meets roko ukic

I feel like im watchinf elementary school highlights with that guy. Dont see the talent at all.

[Son Goku 25]

Just found out something..

Evan Mobley only follows the Raptors on Twitter

[Morse Code]

Definitely don’t want Giddey

Denzel valentine meets roko ukic

I feel like im watchinf elementary school highlights with that guy. Dont see the talent at all.

Yeah, he gives me Kyle Anderson vibes. Not a lottery pick imo.

[gojoorange]

Masai has historically always drafted players higher in advanced stats. Poeltl, Siakam, OG, Hernandez, Malachi, Harris. I expect that if we pick in the 7-9 range, we are probably looking at Jalen Johnson, Corey Kispert, Scottie Barnes, Sengun or maybe Wagner. I just don’t see the same impact metrics from players like Giddey or Keon Johnson.

[Los_29]

I think there are far bigger risks than Giddey. A guy is who already producing in a pro league as an 18 year old is pretty impressive. He's got better percentages than Lamelo did, granted Lamelo scored more. I see the concerns with Giddey though. But that's the thing with the NBA draft. There are no guarantees. All these guys have flaws.

Some college guys have put up mediocre numbers against pimple faced teenagers whereas guys like Giddey and Ball competed and excelled against grown men. As a result, I think Giddey is less likely to be a bust but given some of his weaknesses his upside might be limited.

[_MidNight_]

I fully expect to come away with our dynamic wing player of the future with this first pick. Sometimes it feels like we're the only team in the league without one of these guys to give the ball to.

They're also some sneaky options for a Center of the future in the second round as well, really like Makur Maker who nobody is talking about anymore, kid was a five star recruit and would have been a first rounder easily.

I would also take a flyer on Ibou Badji. We might be able to develop him into a very promising big.

[Mark_83]

Who is the last player Masai drafted in the first round that wasn't a good defender or at least projected to be a good one?

Bruno - potential but low IQ.
Delon - defensive rep
Poeltl - good defender
OG - elite defender
Flynn - MWC defensive player of the year

I predict our pick will be a high IQ, high character player, who projects to be good defensively.

Guys who fit that mold that I've seen so far:

Cade Cunningham
Evan Mobley
Jalen Suggs
Moses Moody
Keon Johnson
Davion Mitchell
Zaire Williams

Not sure on yet for all three criteria:

Jonathan Kuminga
Scottie Barnes
James Bouknight
Franz Wagner

[mademan]

While there's a lot of guys i like in this draft, i think Scottie Barnes is absolutely the pick if he falls to the Raps. He has legit DPOY type potential while being an upgraded Draymond Green on offense (better handles, better finishing, better creation). His best position is PF, but, imo, you always take the BPA.

[Psubs]

While there's a lot of guys i like in this draft, i think Scottie Barnes is absolutely the pick if he falls to the Raps. He has legit DPOY type potential while being an upgraded Draymond Green on offense (better handles, better finishing, better creation). His best position is PF, but, imo, you always take the BPA.

I see him like Siakam on defense guarding 2-4 on the NBA level.

[XTC]

I think Giddey is interesting. Teams know big playmakers are doing work in the NBA, and the things you can't take away from him are 1. he's 6'8" and 2. he's creating off the dribble as a PG against pros.

Watch on YouTube

The knocks on him are a mixed bag, 31% 3pt as an 18 year old shows he probably won't be a non shooter, but he was only 69% from the FT line. Defensively doesn't have a plus wingspan and may not be able to stay in front of NBA players, but he did grab 1.2 steals and 7 rebounds in 40-minute NBL games.

Anyway, sending a scout to Australia doesn't mean we're that high on him, but he's worth due diligence and I wouldn't rage at the pick.

I think many people are going to be wrong and look dumb when it comes to Giddey when he steps foot into the NBA. I’ve heard comparisons from Rubio to Livingsto, which are flat out dumb.

Giddey is flat out the best passer in the draft. The way he passes and create something is very Nash-like. He’s probably the best player in the draft at controlling and creating the tempo during the game. Kid is good, add in his 6-8 frame and you got a special talent.

It’s how well his scoring and shooting translate that will dictate how good he becomes. If he becomes a knockdown shooter, there’s no way the kid isn’t a future allstar, plain and simple.

FWIW He shot 43/31/68 in the NBL while Lamelo shot 37/25/72 in he same league last season. Kid is very intriguing, don’t write him off. He’s one of those players a team could fall in love with and goes before our pick. I think he’s a draft riser. He’s one of the youngest players in the draft and he will be run an NBA offense from day one, and if he hits his potential he could be one of the biggest unicorns in he NBA.