2020-2021 NBA Prospects/ NBA Draft

[zeebneeb]

Jokic Embiid are 1 and 2 in the MVP race and both key ingredients too contenders. AD was 1B to LBJs 1A on last years title team. Gobert is the biggest impact player to the team with the best record in the league. Bam A was huge for the Heats finals run last season. Are bigs really dead or did we just have a small blip of time where the league was lacking great big men and the Warriors were really good plus Lebron dominance for so long where he won on some non Bosh teams.

I never ever listen to the whole "big men are dead" nonsense. I like completely ignore it.

It doesn't apply to bigs with wing skills or point guard, and it's a complete disconnection with the reality of what is actually happening in NBA basketball games.

"Unskilled players are irrelevant" that should be the whole conversation. Size has NOTHING to do with it.

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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I can't speak for anyone else but for me its about the Pistons draft History with Bigs, (I know that its a new GM but I'm just gunshy. Darko, Moose, Andre)and that as a position of importance, this era has made the C position into a nightmare for big, big dudes. Mobley is 7'0 now, and will probably end up 7'1, or even 7'2.

I can see his upside, but I also see him fade into the background, and his lack of assertiveness. The current NBA game is fast as hell with players chucking shots from every conceivable spot on the floor and I wonder if Mobley can keep up. I know defense is his calling card, but I have my doubts.

I don't know. I'm just hoping the Pistons end up with the #1, or #2 pick and all this consternation is a moot point as at that point, its gonna be Cade, or Green.

I won't start really sweating until the Pistons land at #4. Even hitting 5 or 6 is less stressful for me lol. That's just how gunshy I am when it comes to true bigmen.

[bstein14]

Mobley would probably play really nice in a frontcourt with Stewart.

I think part of the reason people don't like Mobley is because of need of a wing player, but in reality he has a higher upside IMO than anyone but Cade. I really like Green but and he is more of a sure fire thing offensively than Mobley in the NBA IMO, but Mobley has the bigger overall upside as far as his total package as a player.

[jakebernat]

Moses moody is another guy I actually really like. he could be a real sleeper in this draft.

I really like Moody too. I like his floor. I like Bouknight for his ceiling.

Moody is a great catch and shoot 3 point shooter, but is awful at the rim. Bouknight is good at the rim and iso ball and dribble pull up 3s but awful at catch and shoot 3s. Both should be available later in the lottery, but I don’t even want to think we won’t be in the top 4.

I love Moody’s shooting from the perimeter and off the dribble. he’s got a quick release too. His length (7 feet) is a huge selling point on both ends for me too. that should absolutely help him finishing at the rim once the NBA spacing opens up the floor for him.

[Manocad]

I still love the idea of Mobley playing next to Stewart, but I get the concern not nabbing a go-to guy on the perimeter. it’s possible that we bank on internal growth to fill that void, but i’m just happy to at least be getting another good young player. let’s fill in the blanks later.

Yeah, considering where the Pistons are at in their development, there isn't a single position of "Whatever you do, don't draft another --." So if the Pistons remain alone at second worst thus picking no lower than 6, it's pretty easy to establish a clear cut drafting flow chart IMO if I'm Troy Weaver:

1 - Cade
2 - Green or Suggs
3 - Green or Suggs, whichever is left
4 - Green, Suggs, or Mobley, whichever is left
5 or 6 - BPA in whatever order you've got the next group of players ranked

And I'd bet my house Weaver already has that flow chart filled out since it really involves just picking your top two players after the Big Four. If 5 then This Guy, if 6 This Guy if he's still available and if not, then That Guy. The only surprise you'd get stuck with would be at 5 which would be a good one, i.e. someone does something crazy and leaves one of Green, Suggs or Mobley out there.

[flow]

Jokic Embiid are 1 and 2 in the MVP race and both key ingredients too contenders. AD was 1B to LBJs 1A on last years title team. Gobert is the biggest impact player to the team with the best record in the league. Bam A was huge for the Heats finals run last season. Are bigs really dead or did we just have a small blip of time where the league was lacking great big men and the Warriors were really good plus Lebron dominance for so long where he won on some non Bosh teams.

I never ever listen to the whole "big men are dead" nonsense. I like completely ignore it.

It doesn't apply to bigs with wing skills or point guard, and it's a complete disconnection with the reality of what is actually happening in NBA basketball games.

"Unskilled players are irrelevant" that should be the whole conversation. Size has NOTHING to do with it.

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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Part of it is that in his last two games of the ncaa tournament, when many may have been watching him for the first time, he was pretty underwhelming. Invisible, frankly.

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[DetroitSho]

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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I watched him play a good 10 or so times this year and my impression is that his main calling card is his elite defensive ability with his ability to alter shots and guard multiple positions. What makes him unique is that he's a big who can defend all positions and especially on the perimeter. I think he'll be a star defensively at the pro level.

My issues with him are two things, that he's really soft, I don't see any real stand out skill offensively and he tended to fade into the background in crunch time moments. He's so young and raw in some aspects so maybe there's growth potential in his offensive game that I haven't seen yet but I'd have a hard time justifying taking him over the other top prospects who have the potential to be a go to option, big shot maker. I see that in Cade, Suggs and Green, I don't see that in Mobley so that's why I have him 4th.

I can't argue there and you're probably not one of the ones that ever had him 1 or 2. And again, having him at 4 isn't criminal, it's just weird how people put him so high on a pedestal then left dude hanging.

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[DetroitSho]

I never ever listen to the whole "big men are dead" nonsense. I like completely ignore it.

It doesn't apply to bigs with wing skills or point guard, and it's a complete disconnection with the reality of what is actually happening in NBA basketball games.

"Unskilled players are irrelevant" that should be the whole conversation. Size has NOTHING to do with it.

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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I can't speak for anyone else but for me its about the Pistons draft History with Bigs, (I know that its a new GM but I'm just gunshy. Darko, Moose, Andre)and that as a position of importance, this era has made the C position into a nightmare for big, big dudes. Mobley is 7'0 now, and will probably end up 7'1, or even 7'2.

I can see his upside, but I also see him fade into the background, and his lack of assertiveness. The current NBA game is fast as hell with players chucking shots from every conceivable spot on the floor and I wonder if Mobley can keep up. I know defense is his calling card, but I have my doubts.

I don't know. I'm just hoping the Pistons end up with the #1, or #2 pick and all this consternation is a moot point as at that point, its gonna be Cade, or Green.

I won't start really sweating until the Pistons land at #4. Even hitting 5 or 6 is less stressful for me lol. That's just how gunshy I am when it comes to true bigmen.

Couple things, there's nothing that has happened in the past that has anything to do with potentially drafting Mobley. I really wish that people would stop lumping things from past eras and decades ago into present day decision making. Just like we're supposed to be on some meaningless winning streak right now based on our past.

Also, if Mobley truly is 7 feet it doesn't mean he'll actually grow 2 inches. As much as it's talked about, NBA players don't really be growing after the enter the league as much as it's theorized.

And again, he is what he was and was what he is, so if you never had him #1 then no shame in him being #4 for you.

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[DetroitSho]

I never ever listen to the whole "big men are dead" nonsense. I like completely ignore it.

It doesn't apply to bigs with wing skills or point guard, and it's a complete disconnection with the reality of what is actually happening in NBA basketball games.

"Unskilled players are irrelevant" that should be the whole conversation. Size has NOTHING to do with it.

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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Part of it is that in his last two games of the ncaa tournament, when many may have been watching him for the first time, he was pretty underwhelming. Invisible, frankly.

.

But does that honestly outweigh a whole season prior to that in which people were debating taking him 1st? That's prisoner of the moment thinking. Everybody knows the tournament is dominated by guard play for the most part.

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[Obe1ball]

Mobley had 17 pts against Gonzaga, in his last game. Hardly invisible, especially when he was Gonzagas #1 focus on defense.

[The Moose]

I lean on the side of this as well. I'm baffled at how far out of favor Mobley has fallen for some people who had him going as high as #1. He was always a big, he was always skinny and he always was what he was. I don't even know what he did to have people completely flip on him.

Wings have been the more important position for awhile but still some people had him going 1st. But all of a sudden people are willing trade out of 4 if we're "left" with him at 4? Somebody fill me in.

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Part of it is that in his last two games of the ncaa tournament, when many may have been watching him for the first time, he was pretty underwhelming. Invisible, frankly.

.

But does that honestly outweigh a whole season prior to that in which people were debating taking him 1st? That's prisoner of the moment thinking. Everybody knows the tournament is dominated by guard play for the most part.

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I have him 2 a/b with Green still, and I was definitely one of the people who was very high on him.

My personal opinion is
1. Cade
2 a. Green
2 b. Mobley

If we get one of these 3 the tank was all worth it IMO. Suggs isn’t a bad pick either if we ended up 4th.
If we end up 5 or 6 and have to take Kuminga or another prospect the tank was kinda wasted

[Manocad]

Part of it is that in his last two games of the ncaa tournament, when many may have been watching him for the first time, he was pretty underwhelming. Invisible, frankly.

.

But does that honestly outweigh a whole season prior to that in which people were debating taking him 1st? That's prisoner of the moment thinking. Everybody knows the tournament is dominated by guard play for the most part.

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I have him 2 a/b with Green still, and I was definitely one of the people who was very high on him.

My personal opinion is
1. Cade
2 a. Green
2 b. Mobley

If we get one of these 3 the tank was all worth it IMO. Suggs isn’t a bad pick either if we ended up 4th.
If we end up 5 or 6 and have to take Kuminga or another prospect the tank was kinda wasted

If the Pistons maintain the second worst record then wind up picking 6th nothing was wasted; that’s just crappy lottery luck. Having the 6th pick is never a bad thing. What was the other alternative?

[Canadafan]

I've decided by a vision I just had that we've been going about this all wrong fellas....after a beer or 3 today and sitting here scrolling through our threads I witnessed a beautiful thing in my head. Detroit Pistons win the NBA draft lottery! #1pick babyyyy!
We've all been discussing odds of this and that and what if Cade and Green are off the board and what if we get stuck with Mobley. This is nonsense and these thoughts must cease to exist now hahahaha.
Immediately envision us getting that #1pick. Cade Cunninghmam is coming to Detroit.
Will it to happen. Make it so
Positive vibes guys.... positive vibes.

[buzzkilloton]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is regarded as a 5 player draft at the top w/ Cade Cunningham, Evan Mobley, Jalen Suggs, Jalen Green &amp; Jonathan Kuminga<br><br>Odds of each team landing in top 5:<br><br>DET: 79.9<br>ORL: 66.9<br>HOU: 52.1<br>CLE: 49.7<br>OKC: 49.7<br>OKC: 47.9 (via HOU)<br>TOR 31.9<br>MIN: 27.6<br>CHI, NOP, SAC: 20.3<br>GSW: 9.6</p>&mdash; Chad Ford (@chadfordinsider) <a href="

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[vic]

One guy I got my eye on and I hope Weaver does too is Trey Murphy.

I'd trade 37 and 42 for anything higher up to get Trey Murphy.

The guy is a perfect catch and shoot 2/3 that can defend on the perimeter as well as play good defense.

[Drwho17]

One guy I got my eye on and I hope Weaver does too is Trey Murphy.

I'd trade 37 and 42 for anything higher up to get Trey Murphy.

The guy is a perfect catch and shoot 2/3 that can defend on the perimeter as well as play good defense.

Why trade up? He's projected to go undrafted, just sign him as a UDFA, he's also more of a 3/4 I would say.

[FloridaMan78]

One guy I got my eye on and I hope Weaver does too is Trey Murphy.

I'd trade 37 and 42 for anything higher up to get Trey Murphy.

The guy is a perfect catch and shoot 2/3 that can defend on the perimeter as well as play good defense.

Why trade up? He's projected to go undrafted, just sign him as a UDFA, he's also more of a 3/4 I would say.

Lol I just posted in the other thread about him. Yea I see him possibly being where we pick in the second round. A good pick especially if we move on from Sekou since he’d take those minutes.

[DetroitSho]

One guy I got my eye on and I hope Weaver does too is Trey Murphy.

I'd trade 37 and 42 for anything higher up to get Trey Murphy.

The guy is a perfect catch and shoot 2/3 that can defend on the perimeter as well as play good defense.

Why trade up? He's projected to go undrafted, just sign him as a UDFA, he's also more of a 3/4 I would say.

Well I've never seen two ends of a spectrum be as opposite as these two posts. Where does the truth lie on this player?

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[flow]

Mobley had 17 pts against Gonzaga, in his last game. Hardly invisible, especially when he was Gonzagas #1 focus on defense.

Did you watch the game or are you reading a stat sheet? Please don't draw conclusions about someone's impact by looking back at a stat sheet. Every Pistons fan, having experienced 8.5 seasons of Andre Drummond, should know better than to do that.

Mobley was completely invisible in the Gonzaga game (& the one before it). They were the quietest 17 points ever seen. Had no impact whatsoever.


* I do like his skill-set, though.

[vic]

One guy I got my eye on and I hope Weaver does too is Trey Murphy.

I'd trade 37 and 42 for anything higher up to get Trey Murphy.

The guy is a perfect catch and shoot 2/3 that can defend on the perimeter as well as play good defense.

Why trade up? He's projected to go undrafted, just sign him as a UDFA, he's also more of a 3/4 I would say.

Tankathon has him at 31 on their big board and 33 on their mock
Espn has him at 42 on their big board

Both have him listed as an SG. I think he's too weak to be a 4. If he had enough rebounds to play 4 he'd be a top 20 pick.

He's a tall 2, maybe 3 as he gains weight.

If he's there at 37 take him. But I wouldn't risk it.

I don't see a lot of shooters that can shoot like him and play defense lasting that late. He'll probably rise after workouts.

[DetroitSho]

Mobley had 17 pts against Gonzaga, in his last game. Hardly invisible, especially when he was Gonzagas #1 focus on defense.

Did you watch the game or are you reading a stat sheet? Please don't draw conclusions about someone's impact by looking back at a stat sheet. Every Pistons fan, having experienced 8.5 seasons of Andre Drummond, should know better than to do that.

Mobley was completely invisible in the Gonzaga game (& the one before it). They were the quietest 17 points ever seen. Had no impact whatsoever.


* I do like his skill-set, though.

What were your feelings of him prior to those 2 games?

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