Eliminated: CHA is out, knee-jerk trades & solutions

[spankymoore7]

Do the Hornets have enough cap space to make a Porzingis for Rozier trade work straight up while keeping the cap holds of Graham and Monk?

Rozier is by far our best player right now and Porzingis can't stay healthy. Charlotte shouldn't touch this imo

Why does that matter on a team that finished 6 games under .500? Porzingis is better and younger than him, and, with the major caveat of health, a great long-term fit.

The team has shown a willingness to take a risk to increase their talent level, and Porzingis is a great upside swing.

What does it matter to trade our best player right now who is the heart and soul of our team for a guy who can't stay healthy? It matters a lot

[Texas Chuck]

Do the Hornets have enough cap space to make a Porzingis for Rozier trade work straight up while keeping the cap holds of Graham and Monk?

Rozier is by far our best player right now and Porzingis can't stay healthy. Charlotte shouldn't touch this imo

Why does that matter on a team that finished 6 games under .500? Porzingis is better and younger than him, and, with the major caveat of health, a great long-term fit.

The team has shown a willingness to take a risk to increase their talent level, and Porzingis is a great upside swing.

Wouldn't you say the same applies to Dallas? Willing to take risks and in similar need of more upside?

Not saying I'm totally opposed to examining a deal based around Rozier and KP depending on what the final deal looked like, but seems like how you describe Charlotte also fits Dallas.

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean just getting Hayward healthy is the biggest thing. Their record once they lost him was really poor.

But then the next decision is choosing between Monk and Graham or choosing neither which probably isn't a consideration but might should be long term.

Then after that find a center. But that also seems like not that daunting of a task.

I think finding a good center is what a team like Charlotte should be looking for and if you ask Boston or Washington--its a task.

We saw Atlanta be in a similar position last year and they made a tremendous move by adding Capela and he has completely turned around their fortunes as their best and most impactful player.

A player who would fit this nicely is Myles Turner, a name thrown around here often. If Charlotte is trading for Turner, and as many of these trades suggest they do but I disagree with, is moving Hayward.

Charlotte should look to move into next year with Ball/Bridges/Hayward/Washington/Turner, making Rozier and Graham expendable (as you mention with Graham).

Charlotte out: Rozier, 2021 1st #11, 2023 1st (Top 10 Protected, Top 7 Profected, 2 2nds), 2022 Toronto 2nd
Charlotte in: Myles Turner

Indiana out: Myles Turner
Indiana in: Pascal Siakam, 2022 Toronto 2nd

Toronto out: Pascal Siakam
Toronto in: Terry Rozier, 2021 1st #11, 2023 1st (Top 10 Protected, Top 7 Profected, 2 2nds)

In this deal, Charlotte adds a great fit in Turner who, if you believe him to be close to Capela as an impactful defender, can help Charlotte take another step forward next season. The Pacers add a all-star talent who can play both the 3 and 4 and adds spacing (Assuming he can find his shot) and has familiarity with their coach (Will he be back? If they put up a fight in the post-season I assume so). The Raptors add a pick this season while also staying competitive as Rozier is a piece who can help immediately and is a nice fit in the backcourt as a guard who can play on and off ball.

Deal doesn’t work legally, since Siakam makes $33m and Turner makes $18m next year. Adding in Lamb makes it work legally, but that also chews up most of our room under the tax, meaning we’re also giving up all 3 of possibly re-signing McConnell, McDermott, and the use of the MLE, too. Maybe they would? I don’t know. Though, I don’t even know who the coach or President/GM of the team will be next year, so really, who knows?

[daoneandonly]

Three way with Dallas and Indy

Charlotte gets Prozingis
Indy gets Hayward
Dallas gets Brogdon (and filler if needed)

Charlotte swaps one injury concern guy for another, but at a position of need. Wahsington/Bridges can handle the forward spots. Indy gets a guy they've bene rumored to have been after for quite a while. Dallas gets what J Rich should have been for them this year.

[Topofthekey]

Hayward + 11 for Turner + Lamb
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So, interesting value for Indy, for sure, can’t hate that. But, the salary is a tough mechanism to work, still, as Hayward alone will make a couple million more than Turner+Lamb. Add in the 120% of the rookie scale for #11, and it adds around $5-6m to the Pacers books, leaving only around $6m under the luxury tax (but only 2 roster spots to fill). It’d pretty much eliminate the chance of keeping TJ McConnell or Doug McDermott, or using the MLE in any meaningful way. Not saying that’d eliminate a deal like this from happening, but it would make it a negative, and tough to do.

It's a negative for me no matter what

Hayward is just too expensive and too much of an injury risk for me

I think his best place is with a stacked super team, where they can afford to have their stars miss big chunks of the regular season, with the aim of getting everyone available for a playoff run

I don't think Pacers can afford to have their most expensive player miss half the season every season

[Texas Chuck]

I would call Minnesota and see what the Wolves would add to a Naz Reid for PJ Washington swap. Could you construct a deal that was like Washington/filler/draft compensation for Beasley/Reid and then be able to let both Monk and Graham walk in free agency rather than overpaying? Go sign a vet backup PG and C.

[Scoot McGroot]

Three way with Dallas and Indy

Charlotte gets Prozingis
Indy gets Hayward
Dallas gets Brogdon (and filler if needed)

Charlotte swaps one injury concern guy for another, but at a position of need. Wahsington/Bridges can handle the forward spots. Indy gets a guy they've bene rumored to have been after for quite a while. Dallas gets what J Rich should have been for them this year.

Indy would get additional value, here, too, right? And we’d also have to include Lamb just to make the salary matching of the deal work.

[Scoot McGroot]

I would call Minnesota and see what the Wolves would add to a Naz Reid for PJ Washington swap. Could you construct a deal that was like Washington/filler/draft compensation for Beasley/Reid and then be able to let both Monk and Graham walk in free agency rather than overpaying? Go sign a vet backup PG and C.

Ooh. That’s an interesting concept.

[Texas Chuck]

Three way with Dallas and Indy

Charlotte gets Prozingis
Indy gets Hayward
Dallas gets Brogdon (and filler if needed)

Charlotte swaps one injury concern guy for another, but at a position of need. Wahsington/Bridges can handle the forward spots. Indy gets a guy they've bene rumored to have been after for quite a while. Dallas gets what J Rich should have been for them this year.

Indy would get additional value, here, too, right? And we’d also have to include Lamb just to make the salary matching of the deal work.

Feels like they definitely should yeah. Feels to me like the deal makes more sense without Indy though. Just KP for Hayward as the main components.

[Scoot McGroot]

Hayward + 11 for Turner + Lamb
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So, interesting value for Indy, for sure, can’t hate that. But, the salary is a tough mechanism to work, still, as Hayward alone will make a couple million more than Turner+Lamb. Add in the 120% of the rookie scale for #11, and it adds around $5-6m to the Pacers books, leaving only around $6m under the luxury tax (but only 2 roster spots to fill). It’d pretty much eliminate the chance of keeping TJ McConnell or Doug McDermott, or using the MLE in any meaningful way. Not saying that’d eliminate a deal like this from happening, but it would make it a negative, and tough to do.

It's a negative for me no matter what

Hayward is just too expensive and too much of an injury risk for me

I think his best place is with a stacked super team, where they can afford to have their stars miss big chunks of the regular season, with the aim of getting everyone available for a playoff run

I don't think Pacers can afford to have their most expensive player miss half the season every season

Personally, I probably agree. The salary is $5+m per year more than we were willing to pay before the season, when we likely predicted his return to form, but the health issues have continued. Not sure it’s changed now. But, Indy management were interested in him pre-season, so it’s possible it might continue. But, getting a lotto pick in addition to Hayward for Turner + filler is, at least, not an insulting offer in any way, value-wise.

[BlazersBroncos]

For Portland, I would love to find a way to turn CJ into Hayward.

I think a simple Hayward for KP swap could do both teams good. What additional value could DAL add to get Rozier?

Hayward + Rozier for KP + Brunson + DFS?

[Wizop]

I'm not in the Pacer need to trade Turner camp, but if the team goes that way I really can't see Hayward or any other player making more than Turner does now as the target. we need to get further below the tax line not add payroll. I also doubt we're trading a starter to an Eastern Conference rival.

[Colbinii]

I would call Minnesota and see what the Wolves would add to a Naz Reid for PJ Washington swap. Could you construct a deal that was like Washington/filler/draft compensation for Beasley/Reid and then be able to let both Monk and Graham walk in free agency rather than overpaying? Go sign a vet backup PG and C.

Hell yeah from Minnesota. I like P.J. Washington quite a bit.

[youngcrev]

Rozier is by far our best player right now and Porzingis can't stay healthy. Charlotte shouldn't touch this imo

Why does that matter on a team that finished 6 games under .500? Porzingis is better and younger than him, and, with the major caveat of health, a great long-term fit.

The team has shown a willingness to take a risk to increase their talent level, and Porzingis is a great upside swing.

Wouldn't you say the same applies to Dallas? Willing to take risks and in similar need of more upside?

Not saying I'm totally opposed to examining a deal based around Rozier and KP depending on what the final deal looked like, but seems like how you describe Charlotte also fits Dallas.

To an extent.

I think the risk tolerance should be greater for a team like the Hornets due to market and the need for a greater leap.

It's a tougher call with Dallas IMO. I think they need someone reliable, but at the same time probably can't afford the talent hit. Whether this accomplishes that would depend on what they could do with the additional cap space created by the deal.

[spankymoore7]

Why does that matter on a team that finished 6 games under .500? Porzingis is better and younger than him, and, with the major caveat of health, a great long-term fit.

The team has shown a willingness to take a risk to increase their talent level, and Porzingis is a great upside swing.

Wouldn't you say the same applies to Dallas? Willing to take risks and in similar need of more upside?

Not saying I'm totally opposed to examining a deal based around Rozier and KP depending on what the final deal looked like, but seems like how you describe Charlotte also fits Dallas.

To an extent.

I think the risk tolerance should be greater for a team like the Hornets due to market and the need for a greater leap.

It's a tougher call with Dallas IMO. I think they need someone reliable, but at the same time probably can't afford the talent hit. Whether this accomplishes that would depend on what they could do with the additional cap space created by the deal.

See, I think Charlotte's market makes it harder to take that risk. Fans weren't coming out in droves last year. Charlotte doesn't love NBA basketball right now...if they are awful no one will go...there's a reason they wouldn't trade Kemba even though they "should have"

[Texas Chuck]

I don't think fans are buying tickets to see Terry Rozier though.... KP would absolutely generate more fan excitement even if its not totally justified. If your concern is economic, and I think you bring up a great point that for Charlotte that's always a major factor, well KP only helps.

[BadWolf]

Ball for Wiseman and #4
Sell why the hype is highest!

[spankymoore7]

I don't think fans are buying tickets to see Terry Rozier though.... KP would absolutely generate more fan excitement even if its not totally justified. If your concern is economic, and I think you bring up a great point that for Charlotte that's always a major factor, well KP only helps.

If Porzingis plays and is a good player...right now Rozier is a better bet here I think because of injury concerns

[Texas Chuck]

I don't think fans are buying tickets to see Terry Rozier though.... KP would absolutely generate more fan excitement even if its not totally justified. If your concern is economic, and I think you bring up a great point that for Charlotte that's always a major factor, well KP only helps.

If Porzingis plays and is a good player...right now Rozier is a better bet here I think because of injury concerns

Totally fair, but note I wasn't speaking to the on court stuff but rather the fan engagement concerns you raised. KP would still generate a lot of buzz among the casual fans and the more hardcore fans who might be disappointed like you are already all-in.

[spankymoore7]

I don't think fans are buying tickets to see Terry Rozier though.... KP would absolutely generate more fan excitement even if its not totally justified. If your concern is economic, and I think you bring up a great point that for Charlotte that's always a major factor, well KP only helps.

If Porzingis plays and is a good player...right now Rozier is a better bet here I think because of injury concerns

Totally fair, but note I wasn't speaking to the on court stuff but rather the fan engagement concerns you raised. KP would still generate a lot of buzz among the casual fans and the more hardcore fans who might be disappointed like you are already all-in.

Short term maybe, though I don't think Porzingis is that big of name for casual fans...and if he isn't good now it's bad contract and fans won't care