Draft Thread Part 4

Risk101 · Post #401 » by **Risk101** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 4:28 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
Gobert level defense with Ayton level offense. Think about that for a second

ya right...

i'll say this though, he's built like Boucher. twig like

i would take Green and Suggs over him

6'9 with 7'4 wingspan vs 7'0 with a 7'4 wingspan. He is also not coming into the league at 27-28 lol. I think he can definitely get bigger, and even if he doesn't he's long enough that it won't really matter

His impact is purely defensive at the moment. His offensive skills are still up in the air. All I see is rim runs and lobs. Most of his point come from other players feeding him.

I'm not sold on him as a top 4 especially with this draft being so DEEP

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #402 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 4:44 am

WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-draftdaq-nba-draft-podcast/id1479101969?i=1000520246110

Keon johnson

The hamidou diallo comparison got me shook :oops:

h4rrison · Post #403 » by **h4rrison** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:13 am

Suggs or Green? I was Suggs all year long but Green is moving up on my board. His offensive game is so smooth. Quintessential scoring guard in today’s game. Can shoot, slash, iso. Super athletic with good size for SG

TD2FutureStar · Post #404 » by **TD2FutureStar** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 5:46 am

h4rrison wrote:Suggs or Green? I was Suggs all year long but Green is moving up on my board. His offensive game is so smooth. Quintessential scoring guard in today’s game. Can shoot, slash, iso. Super athletic with good size for SG

Monster athlete with crazy hops. Green would be a fun one to develop. Only thing I wish he had was more length. His wingspan is smaller than the majority of elite SG's in the league.

BoyzNTheHood · Post #405 » by **BoyzNTheHood** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:25 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-draftdaq-nba-draft-podcast/id1479101969?i=1000520246110

Keon johnson

The hamidou diallo comparison got me shook

Tbh Keon reminds me of UCLA Norm more than anyone else. Diallo is also an airhead, which I don't believe Keon is.

bballsparkin · Post #406 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:44 am

Risk101 wrote:
His defensive impact isn't the concern. Worst case scenario he pans out to become a rim running Clint Capela. But the offense is what is the problem for me. I don't see Adebayo or Ayton in his offense. His potential is purely hype at this moment. Your banking on what he can become and majority of the time Centers never hit that potential going that high in the draft.

A rim running Clint Capela? You serious? Come on that's just such a bad take. Adebayo? LOL. I could see a case taking Cade, Green or even Suggs before him but you are selling him short FYI.

Risk101 · Post #407 » by **Risk101** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:55 am

bballsparkin wrote:
Risk101 wrote:
His defensive impact isn't the concern. Worst case scenario he pans out to become a rim running Clint Capela. But the offense is what is the problem for me. I don't see Adebayo or Ayton in his offense. His potential is purely hype at this moment. Your banking on what he can become and majority of the time Centers never hit that potential going that high in the draft.

A rim running Clint Capela? You serious? Come on that's just such a bad take. Adebayo? LOL. I could see a case taking Cade, Green or even Suggs before him but you are selling him short FYI.

I said "worst case scenario" he projects to be a Clint Capela type. Best case scenario is Rudy Gobert.

Dalek · Post #408 » by **Dalek** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 6:57 am

I think if Toronto felt uncomfortable with the riskier guys like Barnes, Giddey, Cooper, or Jones, then we need to seriously consider Jaden Springer. I mentioned him a lot before but the more I think about how picks the FO is, he seems like a safe as a pick while also being one of the youngest in the class implying some upside.

Springer is crazy strong which allows him to play above his size. Looking at the numbers 2.0% block% and 44 FTr shows that even though he is not the biggest burst player in the college he was a physical contact type of guy. He also shot 44% from three, TS% .575.

I think he projects as an off-ball guard by most people, but I wonder if he could SF in some line-ups like Norm was. Being able to play three positions, great defense, strong driver, poise/swagger/IT facto are what makes him fit Toronto. This guy was always the youngest player on the court in college and he never felt that way. He would be a modern Kyle with a few more inches of height and wingspan and vert.

He didn't dunk a ton in college but he has bounce:

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bon · Post #409 » by **bon** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:12 am

WuTang_OG wrote:https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-draftdaq-nba-draft-podcast/id1479101969?i=1000520246110

Keon johnson

My exact thoughts on Keon. Great leaper but doesn't have otherworldly end-to-end speed. Then that basic midrange pullup jumper is making people believe his offensive game isn't actually miles away from being even decent at the next level. His consistently high ranking is crazy to me especially when you look at a guy like Ziaire whose stock has significantly dropped this season for still being raw offensively

Par36 · Post #410 » by **Par36** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 7:12 am

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

So ...how do I say.. you're ****ing crazy nicely?

Just terrible terrible...god awful ideas.

Steelo Green · Post #411 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:28 am

Par36 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

So ...how do I say.. you're ****ing crazy nicely?

Just terrible terrible...god awful ideas.

You wouldn’t take Wiseman + a top 5 pick for Siakam?

Both trades are actually great if you want to rebuild.

bon · Post #412 » by **bon** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:51 am

Steelo Green wrote:
Par36 wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:I’m all in for trading Pascal and FVV in the offseason and going full tear and rebuild.

Pascal to Warriors for deal centred around Wiseman and their pick

FVV to the Knicks for Quickley and their FRP or 2 FRP and Mitchell + Knox if they want to keep Quickley

S&T Kyle to LAL for tht, Harrell, and their FRP. If they don’t budge on THT we take whatever as long as we get that 20th pick.

With all the young assets coming in and the 2 lottery plus 2 top 20 picks we can be the next Hawks very quickly

So ...how do I say.. you're ****ing crazy nicely?

Just terrible terrible...god awful ideas.

You wouldn’t take Wiseman + a top 5 pick for Siakam?

Both trades are actually great if you want to rebuild.

Maybe top 3 post lottery but I wouldn't settle for 5 if the only other return is Wiseman

Steelo Green · Post #413 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 8:54 am

bon wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:
Par36 wrote:
So ...how do I say.. you're ****ing crazy nicely?

Just terrible terrible...god awful ideas.

You wouldn’t take Wiseman + a top 5 pick for Siakam?

Both trades are actually great if you want to rebuild.

Maybe top 3 post lottery but I wouldn't settle for 5 if the only other return is Wiseman

Wiseman was hurt all year. He’s an elite prospect.

You guys really overvalue what Pascal is worth.

bon · Post #414 » by **bon** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:02 am

Steelo Green wrote:
bon wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:You wouldn’t take Wiseman + a top 5 pick for Siakam?

Both trades are actually great if you want to rebuild.

Maybe top 3 post lottery but I wouldn't settle for 5 if the only other return is Wiseman

Wiseman was hurt all year. He’s an elite prospect.

You guys really overvalue what Pascal is worth.

If the Warriors could get an allstar for Wiseman they would have already traded him.

Steelo Green · Post #415 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:09 am

bon wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:
bon wrote:Maybe top 3 post lottery but I wouldn't settle for 5 if the only other return is Wiseman

Wiseman was hurt all year. He’s an elite prospect.

You guys really overvalue what Pascal is worth.

If the Warriors could get an allstar for Wiseman they would have already traded him.

There’s a top 6 pick attached in a deep draft.

Essentially two top 5 picks for Siakam? Take it and run.

Pascal’s a weak all-star, not Kawhi.

S.W.A.N · Post #416 » by **S.W.A.N** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:14 am

Steelo Green wrote:
bon wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:Wiseman was hurt all year. He’s an elite prospect.

You guys really overvalue what Pascal is worth.

If the Warriors could get an allstar for Wiseman they would have already traded him.

There’s a top 6 pick attached in a deep draft.

Essentially two top 5 picks for Siakam? Take it and run.

Pascal’s a weak all-star, not Kawhi.

no brainer. take that trade and run before the cops come

bon · Post #417 » by **bon** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:23 am

Steelo Green wrote:
bon wrote:
Steelo Green wrote:Wiseman was hurt all year. He’s an elite prospect.

You guys really overvalue what Pascal is worth.

If the Warriors could get an allstar for Wiseman they would have already traded him.

There’s a top 6 pick attached in a deep draft.

Essentially two top 5 picks for Siakam? Take it and run.

Pascal’s a weak all-star, not Kawhi.

"Top 6" doesn't matter as much when there's a big drop off after 4. It's still very top heavy which is why I said top 3 pick.

Doesn't matter how good of an allstar you think he is. He has the pedigree and those types of players aren't commonly traded for just any top 6 pick. Who's the 2nd prospect going to be if you land at 6?

bon · Post #418 » by **bon** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:40 am

If it was up to some of this fanbase DeRozan wouldn't have even been on the roster to trade for Kawhi because he would've been dealt for Andrew Wiggins or Josh Jackson :lol:

Steelo Green · Post #419 » by **Steelo Green** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 9:56 am

bon wrote:If it was up to some of this fanbase DeRozan wouldn't have even been on the roster to trade for Kawhi because he would've been dealt for Andrew Wiggins or Josh Jackson

This is some serious disingenuity. Let’s forever reference one trade as a barometer for everything.

So Wiseman + 6 which isn’t Wiggins or Jackson is a bad trade for a meh Siakam?

What do you think Siakam is worth?

PhilBlackson · Post #420 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Jun 2, 2021 10:52 am

Steelo Green wrote:
bon wrote:If it was up to some of this fanbase DeRozan wouldn't have even been on the roster to trade for Kawhi because he would've been dealt for Andrew Wiggins or Josh Jackson

This is some serious disingenuity. Let’s forever reference one trade as a barometer for everything.

So Wiseman + 6 which isn’t Wiggins or Jackson is a bad trade for a meh Siakam?

What do you think Siakam is worth?

Seriously why do people reference perhaps the best trade of the DECADE as the barometer?!

Just continuing to completely ignore top 5 players in the league...

A) hardly EVER happen to be available and to make for even more miniscule odds...

B) we'll be the franchise that a team wants to trade to because we're apparently CERTAIN to have the trade package whatever team wants for said player, that's guaranteed right?!

It's not ridiculous at all to bank your future on that

/greenfont