ImageImageImage

2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

Moderators: bwgood77, lilfishi22, Qwigglez

Will we extend Bridges or will Sarver not pay 4 players big money for 1 or 2 years?

Yes, we extend him or at least match any offer as he is part of core
21
88%
No, Sarver will want to trade him to save money so little salary coming back, draft pick
3
13%
 
Total votes: 24

User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,378
And1: 61,099
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3801 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:51 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Just not sure there is a market for them but all it takes is one team. Might have to split them up


Possibly we take 1 year of salary back which will expire when Bridges/Ayton's new contracts kick in. Maybe a team knowing a guy will leave would trade him for Saric. I don't know what team would like Saric. Seems like he could fit ok on the Pelicans but of course they already have money tied up in Adams and Hayes.

Not sure if Saric can start anywhere but before the bubble and some of this year he was usually much better as a starter. A lot of people around the league thought it was a great contract when signed and then he was really balling earlier in the year. I wonder if we get past the Lakers if they will try playing him again against a team that isn't as big.
Yeah like one maybe realistic move would be Saric for Tristan Thompson. Thompson was pretty bad for Boston this year so they might see Dario as a upgrade and take the extra year on his deal. For the suns they get a vet bench big to compete with Stix for playing time and off Dario's money a year early.

Also with the reports that smart is likely dealt this summer I could see them taking Carter in that deal too.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


They would deal Kemba and Smart? Who would that leave at PG? Payton Pritchard?
WeekapaugGroove
RealGM
Posts: 24,538
And1: 20,241
Joined: Feb 07, 2010

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3802 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Jun 3, 2021 9:56 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Possibly we take 1 year of salary back which will expire when Bridges/Ayton's new contracts kick in. Maybe a team knowing a guy will leave would trade him for Saric. I don't know what team would like Saric. Seems like he could fit ok on the Pelicans but of course they already have money tied up in Adams and Hayes.

Not sure if Saric can start anywhere but before the bubble and some of this year he was usually much better as a starter. A lot of people around the league thought it was a great contract when signed and then he was really balling earlier in the year. I wonder if we get past the Lakers if they will try playing him again against a team that isn't as big.
Yeah like one maybe realistic move would be Saric for Tristan Thompson. Thompson was pretty bad for Boston this year so they might see Dario as a upgrade and take the extra year on his deal. For the suns they get a vet bench big to compete with Stix for playing time and off Dario's money a year early.

Also with the reports that smart is likely dealt this summer I could see them taking Carter in that deal too.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


They would deal Kemba and Smart? Who would that leave at PG? Payton Pritchard?
Honestly I think they'll have a hard time trading Kemba with his contract. Although that deal I mentioned for Porzingis makes some sense. Bill Simmons and the other Boston peeps all seem to think smart is gone this summer.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming Wow! What a Ride!-H.S.T.
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,378
And1: 61,099
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3803 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 10:23 pm

Man, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in 2019, and dropped down to 6th, while Memphis moved from 8th to 2nd.

Just imagine if we would have gotten Morant how good our PG position would look for a long time.

I have a feeling we'd still be really good right now. Not as good as we are, but more solidified for the future. We really have had a lot of bad luck over the years.

The Grizzlies play with a steely toughness and unselfishness that flows from Morant. He is a star in the most traditional sense: a supernova with a zeal for highlight dunks and a snarling confidence.

"He goes so fast sometimes, I can't even really process what he's seeing," Jenkins says.

In his third NBA start, Morant tied a game against the Brooklyn Nets on a layup with seven seconds remaining, blocked Kyrie Irving's jumper at the end of regulation, and screamed and flexed in celebration -- a brazen, fearless declaration: I am here. I back down from no one.


"Basketball skills are basketball skills," Valanciunas says. "If you have talent, and you're working, you'll improve. But Ja is a warrior. He's always locked in. He plays hurt. He has that light in his eyes, and that's what you have to have."

"I don't care who I'm going against," Morant says. "I'm going to be me, and I'm going to prove myself."

But Morant doesn't play like he cares about the trappings of superstardom -- about bending the Grizzlies to his will, controlling the ball, controlling the franchise. He is happy to get off the ball and let others cook, and in those instances, he weaponizes his speed as a cutter -- something you don't say about many 21-year-old star point guards. It was not an accident that his signature almost-highlight of the first round -- an audacious attempt to dunk over Rudy Gobert -- came off a give-and-go with Kyle Anderson.

Even in transition, Morant will often slow down and let waves of players cascade over him -- knowing someone will pop open trailing the play. He could run Valanciunas out of the offense, but instead makes sure to feed him.

"I don't really care about scoring too much," Morant says.

He is an advanced playmaker for a second-year point guard -- a master of pass fakes and lookaways. Morant manipulates defenses. During free throws and timeouts, he and Jenkins huddle about what they are seeing. "Our dialogue has gone up another level," Jenkins says.

Against the Jazz, the Grizzlies experimented with stashing Valanciunas in the corner and having a wing screen for Morant -- a method of removing Gobert from the action. Morant suggested having Valanciunas creep in from the baseline as Morant drove -- and for a shooter to slash down into the corner to replace Valanciunas. "Sometimes, I'm like, 'Holy crap,'" Jenkins says. "This is the next layer."

It's early days, but Morant appears to be the kind of franchise player who inspires teammates -- who makes them want to play for him, and with him.

"We have the makings," Jenkins says, "of a very special player."
suns12345
Starter
Posts: 2,384
And1: 1,612
Joined: Jul 28, 2008
 

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3804 » by suns12345 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 10:43 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
BobbieL wrote:
Just not sure there is a market for them but all it takes is one team. Might have to split them up


Possibly we take 1 year of salary back which will expire when Bridges/Ayton's new contracts kick in. Maybe a team knowing a guy will leave would trade him for Saric. I don't know what team would like Saric. Seems like he could fit ok on the Pelicans but of course they already have money tied up in Adams and Hayes.

Not sure if Saric can start anywhere but before the bubble and some of this year he was usually much better as a starter. A lot of people around the league thought it was a great contract when signed and then he was really balling earlier in the year. I wonder if we get past the Lakers if they will try playing him again against a team that isn't as big.
Yeah like one maybe realistic move would be Saric for Tristan Thompson. Thompson was pretty bad for Boston this year so they might see Dario as a upgrade and take the extra year on his deal. For the suns they get a vet bench big to compete with Stix for playing time and off Dario's money a year early.

Also with the reports that smart is likely dealt this summer I could see them taking Carter in that deal too.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


Its crazy because with how Dario played in the bubble and parts of the season, his contract actually was good and he was so valuable to us. But lately he is worse than nothing.

I hold out hope we can repair his value and then either use him in the rotation or trade him. such an odd situation.
Barkley6
Veteran
Posts: 2,926
And1: 2,406
Joined: Jul 08, 2013
       

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3805 » by Barkley6 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 11:12 pm

Dunno if this was posted before but....

Read on Twitter
?s=20
User avatar
lilfishi22
Forum Mod - Suns
Forum Mod - Suns
Posts: 36,526
And1: 24,878
Joined: Oct 16, 2007
Location: Australia

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3806 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Jun 3, 2021 11:18 pm

King4Day wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Ainges biggest fault was trying to 'win' too many trades with all those mid to late 1sts he collected. The trades never happened and he straight up missed on most of the actual picks (the later ones, Ainge mostly nailed early picks).

It's interesting that McD was one of his guys and they both kind of had similar issues where they worried too much about asset management. Sometimes you have to just over pay and get the actual players you want.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


Ainge really wasn't very good there. His tenure was masked by that lopsided trade which allowed him to fall into all those great assets. Had the Nets remained great, he probably would have been fired years ago.

He drafted well but he had high picks.
The Irving trade was his best move.

But all of his moves were predicated on that Nets trade.

If the rumors were true that he could have had Turner and McDermott for Hayward, but turned it down because he wanted a first thrown in, then that goes to show he just isn't with it.
Maybe this was Boston ownership "firing him" but giving him the dignity to step down instead.

When I think about Ainge's tenure, I feel like it's easy to (nit)pick at faults (every GM has faults) and say he had all that and still couldn't win but honestly, when I just look at his time there I can't help but think he did a solid to great job. Boston is a different town to most NBA cities and obviously they are a storied franchise with the rings, the legends and the history so maybe he's judged by a different standard but the guy did a lot for Boston.

- He built a championship team
- He rebuilt the team and got a great haul by moving their old big 3.
- They've made playoffs in all by 3 seasons he was there
- He hired Brad Stevens
- He got Kyrie for virtually nothing. It didn't work out but Boston was where Kyrie wanted to go, he could be had for very little, why wouldn't you do it?
- He made some excellent draft picks, from elite talent like Tatum and Brown to long time NBA vets like Gerald Green, Al Jefferson and Avery Bradley

I understand he probably wore out his welcome with his style of asset management but he made it work.
Slim Charless
RealGM
Posts: 11,717
And1: 7,441
Joined: May 10, 2019
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3807 » by Slim Charless » Thu Jun 3, 2021 11:31 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Yeah like one maybe realistic move would be Saric for Tristan Thompson. Thompson was pretty bad for Boston this year so they might see Dario as a upgrade and take the extra year on his deal. For the suns they get a vet bench big to compete with Stix for playing time and off Dario's money a year early.

Also with the reports that smart is likely dealt this summer I could see them taking Carter in that deal too.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


They would deal Kemba and Smart? Who would that leave at PG? Payton Pritchard?
Honestly I think they'll have a hard time trading Kemba with his contract. Although that deal I mentioned for Porzingis makes some sense. Bill Simmons and the other Boston peeps all seem to think smart is gone this summer.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


That trade for KP makes perfect sense. If was Boston I'd see about a Smart/Kemba/1st for KP/Powell/Brunson deal. If Dallas gets those 2, they won't have any need for Brunson. Meanwhile Boston definitely could use a young PG. The added 1st evens things out since KP is much younger than Kemba.
User avatar
Ghost of Kleine
Master of Tweets
Posts: 16,517
And1: 9,152
Joined: Apr 13, 2012

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3808 » by Ghost of Kleine » Fri Jun 4, 2021 12:13 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:If they resign Paul/ or use the space on someone else then no there's no cap advantage to waiting on either Mikal or Ayton. They would be an over the cap team either way.

With how well Aytons played this playoffs he's probably getting the max so that makes the negotiation pretty easy. Bridges isn't a max guy so the suns should make a fair offer and maybe Bridges signs or he bets on himself and plays out the year to see if he can increase his value. Anytime your dealing with a non max guy there's a chance you won't come to an agreement on the early extension. And if not that's not really a big deal since Bridges would be a RFA the next summer.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....
If you're trading Bridges for cost savings it certainly wouldn't be for a guy like Randle who is going to get a huge contract after next season. It would be for a guy or two still on a rookie deal.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


I pray that we don't lose Bridges, And admittedly, My gut tells me that he won't prefer to leave at all. Aside from us really lowballing him for some strange and utterly ridiculous reason, I believe that he absolutely will stay as long as we give a " fair offer" as someone so eloquently pointed out! But he'll also be restricted anyways! So the risk is minimal, As long as Sarver would be willing to match whatever offer he might recieve!

Consequently, I see him realistically getting somewhere in the area of 14-18 tops! ( or something similar to/ but a bit under what Jerami Grant recieved) as teams finances will be a bit more constrained from the loss of revenue due to the whole Covid situation !
Image
User avatar
kennydorglas
Suns Forum Statistical Savant
Posts: 8,898
And1: 6,127
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Location: Bauru SP
Contact:
       

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3809 » by kennydorglas » Fri Jun 4, 2021 12:17 am

bwgood77 wrote:Man, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in 2019, and dropped down to 6th, while Memphis moved from 8th to 2nd.

Just imagine if we would have gotten Morant how good our PG position would look for a long time.

I have a feeling we'd still be really good right now. Not as good as we are, but more solidified for the future. We really have had a lot of bad luck over the years.

The Grizzlies play with a steely toughness and unselfishness that flows from Morant. He is a star in the most traditional sense: a supernova with a zeal for highlight dunks and a snarling confidence.

"He goes so fast sometimes, I can't even really process what he's seeing," Jenkins says.

In his third NBA start, Morant tied a game against the Brooklyn Nets on a layup with seven seconds remaining, blocked Kyrie Irving's jumper at the end of regulation, and screamed and flexed in celebration -- a brazen, fearless declaration: I am here. I back down from no one.


"Basketball skills are basketball skills," Valanciunas says. "If you have talent, and you're working, you'll improve. But Ja is a warrior. He's always locked in. He plays hurt. He has that light in his eyes, and that's what you have to have."

"I don't care who I'm going against," Morant says. "I'm going to be me, and I'm going to prove myself."

But Morant doesn't play like he cares about the trappings of superstardom -- about bending the Grizzlies to his will, controlling the ball, controlling the franchise. He is happy to get off the ball and let others cook, and in those instances, he weaponizes his speed as a cutter -- something you don't say about many 21-year-old star point guards. It was not an accident that his signature almost-highlight of the first round -- an audacious attempt to dunk over Rudy Gobert -- came off a give-and-go with Kyle Anderson.

Even in transition, Morant will often slow down and let waves of players cascade over him -- knowing someone will pop open trailing the play. He could run Valanciunas out of the offense, but instead makes sure to feed him.

"I don't really care about scoring too much," Morant says.

He is an advanced playmaker for a second-year point guard -- a master of pass fakes and lookaways. Morant manipulates defenses. During free throws and timeouts, he and Jenkins huddle about what they are seeing. "Our dialogue has gone up another level," Jenkins says.

Against the Jazz, the Grizzlies experimented with stashing Valanciunas in the corner and having a wing screen for Morant -- a method of removing Gobert from the action. Morant suggested having Valanciunas creep in from the baseline as Morant drove -- and for a shooter to slash down into the corner to replace Valanciunas. "Sometimes, I'm like, 'Holy crap,'" Jenkins says. "This is the next layer."

It's early days, but Morant appears to be the kind of franchise player who inspires teammates -- who makes them want to play for him, and with him.

"We have the makings," Jenkins says, "of a very special player."
Oh boy, I really wanted Morant here.
It was a clear star from day 1.

Sent from my Redmi 7A using RealGM mobile app
"I got nothing to prove in this league. I’m a max player, and I’ll continue to be a max player."
Five foot Eighton

“No matter what you do or how you do it, as long as you have true passion you will succeed.”
Luis “WEEZY” Egurrola
Slim Charless
RealGM
Posts: 11,717
And1: 7,441
Joined: May 10, 2019
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3810 » by Slim Charless » Fri Jun 4, 2021 12:22 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Slim Charless wrote:
We also have a decent backup for Bridges in Cam Johnson-who will cost significantly less imo. IF we have to lose Bridges, it'd be better if we can get something for him. Maybe package him, filler and Stix up for Randle (who did himself no favors in the playoffs). He'd fill our massive hole at PF and won't cost a max deal now. He's also obviously best suited as a 2nd or 3rd option on offense.

FTR I want to say that I don't want to lose Bridges as I feel he can be an all defense guy some day. I'm just saying if Sarver's cheapness strikes again....
If you're trading Bridges for cost savings it certainly wouldn't be for a guy like Randle who is going to get a huge contract after next season. It would be for a guy or two still on a rookie deal.

Sent from my SM-G986U using RealGM mobile app


I pray that we don't lose Bridges, And admittedly, My gut tells me that he won't prefer to leave at all. Aside from us really lowballing him for some strange and utterly ridiculous reason, I believe that he absolutely will stay as long as we give a " fair offer" as someone so eloquently pointed out! But he'll also be restricted anyways! So the risk is minimal, As long as Sarver would be willing to match whatever offer he might recieve!

Consequently, I see him realistically getting somewhere in the area of 14-18 tops! ( or something similar to/ but a bit under what Jerami Grant recieved) as teams finances will be a bit more constrained from the loss of revenue due to the whole Covid situation !


I hope you're right GoK, but I think he'll clear 20M easily. IDK what the max another team can offer.....but I imagine if he makes improvements this summer and comes out even better. He'll probably get the max from someone else. FTR I think he will improve over the summer and will possibly make an all defense team in 22.
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,378
And1: 61,099
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3811 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 2:17 am

Barkley6 wrote:
insomniac00 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
It helps us IMMENSELY if he stays. But no guarantee that he stays.


How do you guys figure we can afford him even at a slight discount if we have to pay Ayton and Bridges? Them plus Booker have to be the big 3 we invest in.

Is it a matter of whether Sarver will pay luxury tax?


Sarver has said he'll pay it. We have a championship window if CP3 stays.
CP3, Book, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Payne, Johnson and Craig are an amazing top 8 players. We do have some holes to fill at the end of the bench, 2 guard, and 5. But saving 12 million, would go a long way to making it easier to stomach. That 12 million probably covers over 50% of what Bridges will make.


Money savings next year doesn't matter. It's the following year. That's why I was hoping he picked up his option while Ayton and Bridges are on their rookie deals next year and then took a reduction the following two years (like $27.5m per for 2, maybe declining) rather than like an even deal over 3 years. Though he could do something like $35/$33/$31 or something.

Ayton and Bridges will probably make around a combined $50 million a year (to start) in 2 years and Paul and Book if Paul signs and extension would be a combined $70 million. That's $120 million and probably already over the cap before adding on Crowder, Saric (both of those guys would be in last years), both Cam's (CamJo's new contract would be in Paul's last year). If we kept Crowder, Saric and both Cams', that's like $150-$160 million for 8 players before the rest of the guys that would have to be near minimums except Smith's rookie deal.

This year the hard cap is like $138 million so it's not just about the tax, we would likely hit the hard cap at some point. So we will have to likely dump Saric and Crowder sometime before next summer with no salary coming back, and we'd still probably be close to or at the hard cap once filling out the roster.

Unless we want to dump Bridges, Ayton or Book to keep a 37-38 year old Paul, it would likely be best if he picked up his option and we re-assessed next summer.
dremill24
Assistant Coach
Posts: 3,956
And1: 3,239
Joined: Jan 11, 2016
Contact:

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3812 » by dremill24 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:27 am

bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
insomniac00 wrote:
How do you guys figure we can afford him even at a slight discount if we have to pay Ayton and Bridges? Them plus Booker have to be the big 3 we invest in.

Is it a matter of whether Sarver will pay luxury tax?


Sarver has said he'll pay it. We have a championship window if CP3 stays.
CP3, Book, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Payne, Johnson and Craig are an amazing top 8 players. We do have some holes to fill at the end of the bench, 2 guard, and 5. But saving 12 million, would go a long way to making it easier to stomach. That 12 million probably covers over 50% of what Bridges will make.


Money savings next year doesn't matter. It's the following year. That's why I was hoping he picked up his option while Ayton and Bridges are on their rookie deals next year and then took a reduction the following two years (like $27.5m per for 2, maybe declining) rather than like an even deal over 3 years. Though he could do something like $35/$33/$31 or something.

Ayton and Bridges will probably make around a combined $50 million a year (to start) in 2 years and Paul and Book if Paul signs and extension would be a combined $70 million. That's $120 million and probably already over the cap before adding on Crowder, Saric (both of those guys would be in last years), both Cam's (CamJo's new contract would be in Paul's last year). If we kept Crowder, Saric and both Cams', that's like $150-$160 million for 8 players before the rest of the guys that would have to be near minimums except Smith's rookie deal.

This year the hard cap is like $138 million so it's not just about the tax, we would likely hit the hard cap at some point. So we will have to likely dump Saric and Crowder sometime before next summer with no salary coming back, and we'd still probably be close to or at the hard cap once filling out the roster.

Unless we want to dump Bridges, Ayton or Book to keep a 37-38 year old Paul, it would likely be best if he picked up his option and we re-assessed next summer.


Yeah but you only trigger the hard cap if you perform certain types of transactions so its only really a concern if you (the Suns) make it one. This team about to get expensive for sure though.
Trying out this Substack thing. Suns and NBA thoughts. Check it out: https://hoopsnexus.substack.com/
User avatar
wheezy
Rookie
Posts: 1,223
And1: 632
Joined: Jun 07, 2013
Location: Phoenix

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3813 » by wheezy » Fri Jun 4, 2021 5:53 am

Based on their interviews after the game, sounds like the Blazers players aren't super happy with their team. Shake up in Portland on the horizon?
User avatar
bwgood77
Global Mod
Global Mod
Posts: 98,378
And1: 61,099
Joined: Feb 06, 2009
Location: Austin
Contact:
   

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3814 » by bwgood77 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 6:23 am

dremill24 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Barkley6 wrote:
Sarver has said he'll pay it. We have a championship window if CP3 stays.
CP3, Book, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Payne, Johnson and Craig are an amazing top 8 players. We do have some holes to fill at the end of the bench, 2 guard, and 5. But saving 12 million, would go a long way to making it easier to stomach. That 12 million probably covers over 50% of what Bridges will make.


Money savings next year doesn't matter. It's the following year. That's why I was hoping he picked up his option while Ayton and Bridges are on their rookie deals next year and then took a reduction the following two years (like $27.5m per for 2, maybe declining) rather than like an even deal over 3 years. Though he could do something like $35/$33/$31 or something.

Ayton and Bridges will probably make around a combined $50 million a year (to start) in 2 years and Paul and Book if Paul signs and extension would be a combined $70 million. That's $120 million and probably already over the cap before adding on Crowder, Saric (both of those guys would be in last years), both Cam's (CamJo's new contract would be in Paul's last year). If we kept Crowder, Saric and both Cams', that's like $150-$160 million for 8 players before the rest of the guys that would have to be near minimums except Smith's rookie deal.

This year the hard cap is like $138 million so it's not just about the tax, we would likely hit the hard cap at some point. So we will have to likely dump Saric and Crowder sometime before next summer with no salary coming back, and we'd still probably be close to or at the hard cap once filling out the roster.

Unless we want to dump Bridges, Ayton or Book to keep a 37-38 year old Paul, it would likely be best if he picked up his option and we re-assessed next summer.


Yeah but you only trigger the hard cap if you perform certain types of transactions so its only really a concern if you (the Suns) make it one. This team about to get expensive for sure though.


OK, good, so re-signing your own players can't put you over the hard cap with existing salaries? Do you know an estimated tax line for next year? Though the following year is the main one.

I don't think we will hit the tax next year but will the year after. Though I guess we could hit the tax next year if we re-sign Payne and use our MLE....though we could dump someone.

I think we will try to stay under the tax next year to avoid a repeater tax the following year. Because if Paul signs a 3 year deal we would definitely hit the repeater tax in his 3rd year.
Mulhollanddrive
RealGM
Posts: 12,555
And1: 8,337
Joined: Jan 19, 2013

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3815 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jun 4, 2021 7:11 am

Booker 32
Paul 28 ($84m over 3)
Ayton 12
Crowder 10
Saric 9
Payne 7 ($14m over 2)
Bridges 6
Johnson 4
Smith 4
Carter 4
Craig 2 ($5m over 2)

$118m for 10 players / $19m for 5 more players.

We can deal with 2023 when it happens as alot can change.
Barkley6
Veteran
Posts: 2,926
And1: 2,406
Joined: Jul 08, 2013
       

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3816 » by Barkley6 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:16 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Booker 32
Paul 28 ($84m over 3)
Ayton 12
Crowder 10
Saric 9
Payne 7 ($14m over 2)
Bridges 6
Johnson 4
Smith 4
Carter 4
Craig 2 ($5m over 2)

$118m for 10 players / $19m for 5 more players.

We can deal with 2023 when it happens as alot can change.


More or less this. I think Paul and Payne will make a little more than you estimated. But we'll have the MLE and BAE to continue to flesh out the roster. I expect Kaminsky and possibly Nader to come back on minimum deals.

Biggest needs from the bench are a scoring 2 guard and a big man. There is a GLUT of serviceable FA bigs this offseason (I think there are well over 10 out there who could definitely get decent minutes on a playoff team). In terms of the 2 guards...I can't see anyone getable that's better than Galloway. I'd love Fournier, but he should be a starter and don't think he's at the point in his career where he'd take a discount to ring chase, so I expect our draft choice to be a perimeter player. Derrick Rose is another guy we could try to target with the MLE to play some combo guard off the bench with Payne, but I get the feeling he's staying in NY. Maybe Kent Bazemore as an option? Not sure how I feel about that one.
BobbieL
RealGM
Posts: 15,353
And1: 8,997
Joined: Jun 24, 2009

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3817 » by BobbieL » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:47 pm

wheezy wrote:Based on their interviews after the game, sounds like the Blazers players aren't super happy with their team. Shake up in Portland on the horizon?


Lillard said it - they lost to the Nuggets when Denver doesn't have Murray and Barton
thats not good - that group is not winning

CJ probably needs to go
Nurkic maybe
Collins needs to stay healthy
Mulhollanddrive
RealGM
Posts: 12,555
And1: 8,337
Joined: Jan 19, 2013

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3818 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:48 pm

We have some disposable salary to get better in a trade.

Saric, Smith, Carter $17m
Pick 29
Barkley6
Veteran
Posts: 2,926
And1: 2,406
Joined: Jul 08, 2013
       

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3819 » by Barkley6 » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:50 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:We have some disposable salary to get better in a trade.

Saric, Smith, Carter $17m
Pick 29


Question becomes, what does that fetch for you? Very hard to see a deal that would make us significantly better shipping out only those guys, even with a pick attached.
Mulhollanddrive
RealGM
Posts: 12,555
And1: 8,337
Joined: Jan 19, 2013

Re: 2021 Season Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS???? 

Post#3820 » by Mulhollanddrive » Fri Jun 4, 2021 1:52 pm

We might be in the ball park for Lauri Markkanen in a sign and trade (Saric, Smith, Carter, Pick 29).

Tony Snell $9m MLE.

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Markkanen, Ayton
Payne, Snell, Johnson, Crowder, Craig

Return to Phoenix Suns