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Lillard + Kawhi

We cant get Lillard, Kawhi, and Randle.

Lillard 44M
Kawhi 39M
Randle 20M
Noah Dead Cap 6,5M
Roster Spots: 9M
Total: 118,5M
Salary Cap should be around 112M/115M

[god shammgod]

Hypothetically if we did go after Lillard I would probably try to trade Randle to Portland in that deal. I would prefer to keep Randle obviously, but I don't see how we can afford both of them and still improve the team afterwards, adding an all-star in Randle who is also on a team friendly expiring contract could help match salary and sweeten the pot and maybe we don't have to send quite as many picks to them in the deal.

I would prefer not to trade for Lillard. We would have no cap space or no assets for 4-5 years, it would be a carmelo anthony level gamble on a player who just lost in the 1st round again to a Murray-less nuggets team and probably doesn't make you a championship contender and who will be making almost 50 million hitting his mid-30s. Better hope he ages like wine like cp3 did instead of getting injured and becoming an albatross like john wall.

You could say his supporting cast sucks but do you really think we will do any better than cj mccollum and norman powell and the role players they had with no picks and cap space, probably not, and that's a 1 and done playoff team

you'd probably have to. you're not building a package around rj. nobody besides knick fans here think he's a future star. he's just the new gallinari where everybody thinks he's better than he actually is.

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Hypothetically if we did go after Lillard I would probably try to trade Randle to Portland in that deal. I would prefer to keep Randle obviously, but I don't see how we can afford both of them and still improve the team afterwards, adding an all-star in Randle who is also on a team friendly expiring contract could help match salary and sweeten the pot and maybe we don't have to send quite as many picks to them in the deal.

I would prefer not to trade for Lillard. We would have no cap space or no assets for 4-5 years, it would be a carmelo anthony level gamble on a player who just lost in the 1st round again to a Murray-less nuggets team and probably doesn't make you a championship contender and who will be making almost 50 million hitting his mid-30s. Better hope he ages like wine like cp3 did instead of getting injured and becoming an albatross like john wall.

You could say his supporting cast sucks but do you really think we will do any better than cj mccollum and norman powell and the role players they had with no picks and cap space, probably not, and that's a 1 and done playoff team

you'd probably have to. you're not building a package around rj. nobody besides knick fans here think he's a future star. he's just the new gallinari where everybody thinks he's better than he actually is.

The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

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Hypothetically if we did go after Lillard I would probably try to trade Randle to Portland in that deal. I would prefer to keep Randle obviously, but I don't see how we can afford both of them and still improve the team afterwards, adding an all-star in Randle who is also on a team friendly expiring contract could help match salary and sweeten the pot and maybe we don't have to send quite as many picks to them in the deal.

I would prefer not to trade for Lillard. We would have no cap space or no assets for 4-5 years, it would be a carmelo anthony level gamble on a player who just lost in the 1st round again to a Murray-less nuggets team and probably doesn't make you a championship contender and who will be making almost 50 million hitting his mid-30s. Better hope he ages like wine like cp3 did instead of getting injured and becoming an albatross like john wall.

You could say his supporting cast sucks but do you really think we will do any better than cj mccollum and norman powell and the role players they had with no picks and cap space, probably not, and that's a 1 and done playoff team

you'd probably have to. you're not building a package around rj. nobody besides knick fans here think he's a future star. he's just the new gallinari where everybody thinks he's better than he actually is.

The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

honestly i don't think there's a trade to be made. but some teams don't want to tear it down. they'd rather stay relevant and try to be an 8th seed because they're a small market and don't want to lose the money you do during a rebuild.

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you'd probably have to. you're not building a package around rj. nobody besides knick fans here think he's a future star. he's just the new gallinari where everybody thinks he's better than he actually is.

The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

honestly i don't think there's a trade to be made. but some teams don't want to tear it down. they'd rather stay relevant and try to be an 8th seed because they're a small market and don't want to lose the money you do during a rebuild.

If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

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The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

honestly i don't think there's a trade to be made. but some teams don't want to tear it down. they'd rather stay relevant and try to be an 8th seed because they're a small market and don't want to lose the money you do during a rebuild.

If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

I could see him landing in Miami or something, not even sure how their cap situation is but they certainly have the guys to send for him

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The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

honestly i don't think there's a trade to be made. but some teams don't want to tear it down. they'd rather stay relevant and try to be an 8th seed because they're a small market and don't want to lose the money you do during a rebuild.

If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

the celtics could offer jaylen brown and picks. philly could offer simmons and picks. we don't have anything great to offer. our picks aren't even in the lottery.

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Hypothetically if we did go after Lillard I would probably try to trade Randle to Portland in that deal. I would prefer to keep Randle obviously, but I don't see how we can afford both of them and still improve the team afterwards, adding an all-star in Randle who is also on a team friendly expiring contract could help match salary and sweeten the pot and maybe we don't have to send quite as many picks to them in the deal.

I would prefer not to trade for Lillard. We would have no cap space or no assets for 4-5 years, it would be a carmelo anthony level gamble on a player who just lost in the 1st round again to a Murray-less nuggets team and probably doesn't make you a championship contender and who will be making almost 50 million hitting his mid-30s. Better hope he ages like wine like cp3 did instead of getting injured and becoming an albatross like john wall.

You could say his supporting cast sucks but do you really think we will do any better than cj mccollum and norman powell and the role players they had with no picks and cap space, probably not, and that's a 1 and done playoff team

you'd probably have to. you're not building a package around rj. nobody besides knick fans here think he's a future star. he's just the new gallinari where everybody thinks he's better than he actually is.

The quest remains if POR is really trading lillard you can't retool losing your best player. That never works. You might as well just get every draft pick known to man and only players on rookie deals. And then tank.

What is Randle going to do for them? especially just with one year remaining on his contract?

yea, they are not going to really want Randle. He is going to be a free agent anyway and could just walk. I imagine if they trade Lilliard they are just gonna go full rebuild and RJ would be a better asset for them. Even if he never becomes a star he is still a good young player on a team controlled contract which has a ton of value. Whether that is the right deal depends on a lot of factors though since I am sure it would cost more.

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Lillard + Kawhi

We cant get Lillard, Kawhi, and Randle.

Lillard 44M
Kawhi 39M
Randle 20M
Noah Dead Cap 6,5M
Roster Spots: 9M
Total: 118,5M
Salary Cap should be around 112M/115M

I think they could maneuver it if they really wanted to get it done... It just doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone... I don't think Lillard, Kawhi, and Randle surrounded by a bunch of vet min players is beating a healthy Brooklyn. And there are teams that are a lot closer to contention with better assets available (Philly).

the Knicks have to do it if there is a shot to do it of course, but I'd rather see them build for the next generation of superstars (Luka, Zion, Tatum). At best, at their ages, a Kawhi/Dame tandem is eking out a single championship.

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Lakers were the only threat in the West. Nets are winning the title now.

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Lakers were the only threat in the West. Nets are winning the title now.

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[ENYK]

Lakers were the only threat in the West. Nets are winning the title now.

Yeah, it would take an injury to one of their big three to give anyone in the West a shot.

The Bucks will probably be the biggest challenge on the road to the championship with their depth and the way they've been playing... But I think they'd have a better shot if they caught the nets in the ECF instead of the Semis. The Nets basically sleepwalked through the 1st round... They'll have their legs/energy for the 2nd round.

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honestly i don't think there's a trade to be made. but some teams don't want to tear it down. they'd rather stay relevant and try to be an 8th seed because they're a small market and don't want to lose the money you do during a rebuild.

If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

the celtics could offer jaylen brown and picks. philly could offer simmons and picks. we don't have anything great to offer. our picks aren't even in the lottery.

Are you sure Jaylen Brown is a better trade asset than RJ. I know you don't like RJ but he's still on his rookie deal and 4 years younger. When Brown was 20 he wasn't putting up RJ numbers. Then factor in guys like Obi or IQ...what else can boston throw in? Nesmith?

What is POR going to do with Ben Simmons. They get worse from lillard to Simmons but would meander in mediocracy. If you trade Lillard you tank.

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i could see the celtics, but the lakers? wtf? I dont even think the lakers could get him if he demanded it

Wouldn't be shocked if Bron was done with AD. Dude doesn't have it.

Dame for AD?

If you were portland would you accept ad for dame? I imagine you either trade dame for youth and draft picks or you dont trade him

[ENYK]

If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

the celtics could offer jaylen brown and picks. philly could offer simmons and picks. we don't have anything great to offer. our picks aren't even in the lottery.

Are you sure Jaylen Brown is a better trade asset than RJ. I know you don't like RJ but he's still on his rookie deal and 4 years younger. When Brown was 20 he wasn't putting up RJ numbers.

What is POR going to do with Ben Simmons. They get worse from lillard to Simmons but would meander in mediocracy. If you trade Lillard you tank.

A team would have to see something really special in RJ to prefer a package in which he's the centerpiece over one based around Jaylen Brown or Ben Simmons. Sure, neither are on rookie deals, but they are both very young, and both have at least partially delivered on their potential--Jaylen Brown is an actual two way wing and Ben Simmons is a defensive/playmaking juggernaut.

RJ is more question marks than either of those guys... Can he raise his efficiency by finishing in the paint? Can he improve his handles enough to create for himself? Can he become a consistently locked in defender?

RJ is still a big unknown to Knicks fans in many ways, the rest of the league will have even more questions.

[mpharris36]

Lillard + Kawhi

We cant get Lillard, Kawhi, and Randle.

Lillard 44M
Kawhi 39M
Randle 20M
Noah Dead Cap 6,5M
Roster Spots: 9M
Total: 118,5M
Salary Cap should be around 112M/115M

I think they could maneuver it if they really wanted to get it done... It just doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone... I don't think Lillard, Kawhi, and Randle surrounded by a bunch of vet min players is beating a healthy Brooklyn. And there are teams that are a lot closer to contention with better assets available (Philly).

the Knicks have to do it if there is a shot to do it of course, but I'd rather see them build for the next generation of superstars (Luka, Zion, Tatum). At best, at their ages, a Kawhi/Dame tandem is eking out a single championship.

Yeah if they really wanted to if Kawhi opted out of the 39MM he could just start his contract at $35 MM. And that would fit in to the budget.

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If Lillar asks out POR will trade him (players always get what they want and they don't want a messy breakup since he has committed way too much time there as it is). I don't think they are trading him to a Western Conf team because well no team wants to do that. And its not like the lakers or clippers can muster up the draft capital to trade for him.

I mean what team can offer POR massive financial savings + a ton of draft capital + some young players. Only a handful of teams can do it.

the celtics could offer jaylen brown and picks. philly could offer simmons and picks. we don't have anything great to offer. our picks aren't even in the lottery.

Are you sure Jaylen Brown is a better trade asset than RJ. I know you don't like RJ but he's still on his rookie deal and 4 years younger. When Brown was 20 he wasn't putting up RJ numbers.

What is POR going to do with Ben Simmons. They get worse from lillard to Simmons but would meander in mediocracy. If you trade Lillard you tank.

c'mon mpharris, you do this every time. you always think we have the best package. we don't. brown is worth way more than rj. there's no question at all. and if they don't want brown or simmons they can trade them for even more picks. we can't even get those 2 with an rj and picks package.

and why in the world would lillard want to come here instead of playing with tatum or embiid in the 1st place ? he'd want to leave for a better chance of winning.