2020-21 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2621 » by 70sFan » Sun Jun 6, 2021 10:39 pm

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He's not great, but he's been solid in Dallas. But its hard to rebound as a wing in a zone. I wouldn't use this series to judge his rebounding.

I didn't watch much Dallas this season during RS, but he basically never boxed out in this series. It's not about his averages, it's his approach. Even mediocre rebounding wings outhustled him on that end, it was terrible to watch.
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Lots of bad boxing out. Luka with a couple of egregious failures too. But again, one of the issues with zones is you are vulnerable to offensive rebounds because you aren't matched up on a body and its easier for guys to slide baseline.

I'm not trying to defend KP the player. He was not nearly good enough this series and its pretty clear to me after 2 years that he and Luka are not additive. I think Dallas looks to move on if they can and I am all for it.

But with this much zone, I'm not judging a guy's defensive rebounding too harsly.

Fair enough, although I wouldn't put all of that on zone. There are many wings and forwards who do their job on the glass in zone situation. Porzingis has been outhustled even by mediocre and/or low effort guys. Dorian Finney-Smith showed a lot more effort for example, despite being heavily outsized.

I agree that Luka made a lot of mistakes as well. He's not good defensively overall, but I can forgive him that because he's very young and his offense outweighed these mistakes. In Porzingis case, there is no excuse for playing this soft.
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Post#2622 » by Peregrine01 » Sun Jun 6, 2021 10:46 pm

The biggest adjustment the Clippers made was to sit Patrick Beverley.

As for Dallas, Luka nearly single-handedly won the series. But that's also a problem when one guy is so ball-dominant and all his teammates become passive and apprehensive to do anything other than shoot the ball or pass it back to Luka when it goes to them. Mavs can be serious contenders if they get another creator.
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Post#2623 » by Dupp » Sun Jun 6, 2021 10:52 pm

Lucas clear goat trajectory continues
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Post#2624 » by Clyde Frazier » Sun Jun 6, 2021 10:55 pm

Reggie Jackson playing meaningful playoff minutes and hitting big shots down the stretch is just flat out weird. Role, situation and opportunity really mean everything in the NBA.
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Post#2625 » by Statlanta » Sun Jun 6, 2021 10:59 pm

70sFan wrote:By the way, Doncic is unreal. He's younger than me

How young are you? I know Goudelock/PockyCandy is 21-22 and MyUniBroDavis is around there
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Post#2626 » by 70sFan » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:02 pm

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70sFan wrote:By the way, Doncic is unreal. He's younger than me

How young are you? I know Goudelock/PockyCandy is 21-22 and MyUniBroDavis is around there

23, ended in May.
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Post#2627 » by falcolombardi » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:11 pm

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70sFan wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't believe you can believe that...


Ben is prolly the best Tatum defender in the league. Jayson torched Philly without him. He wouldve gotten their shooters a lot more. I think he takes 1 game from us and defensively he wouldve been hell for us specially with Hayward out.

How people can still believe that Simmons could lead anything offensively is beyond my comprehension...

Let's wait for the end of the series before you start calling Embiid trash. I wouldn't be surprised if Hawks finish with one win in the series...


imagining a ben simmons, horford, Tobías Harris frontcourt is crazy, imagine the halfcourt offense

ben would get floated and neither tobias or horford spacing would be respected, Harris post ups in cramped paint would be their best option
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Post#2628 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:20 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Damn I was assured Kawhi was selfish and stupid and was responsible for a dumb team construction. So why did my little Mavs lose?

I don't know about selfish and stupid, but the reason they lost is that the Clippers are a better team...
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Post#2629 » by GSP » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:23 pm

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Ben is prolly the best Tatum defender in the league. Jayson torched Philly without him. He wouldve gotten their shooters a lot more. I think he takes 1 game from us and defensively he wouldve been hell for us specially with Hayward out.

How people can still believe that Simmons could lead anything offensively is beyond my comprehension...

Let's wait for the end of the series before you start calling Embiid trash. I wouldn't be surprised if Hawks finish with one win in the series...


imagining a ben simmons, horford, Tobías Harris frontcourt is crazy, imagine the halfcourt offense

ben would get floated and neither tobias or horford spacing would be respected, Harris post ups in cramped paint would be their best option


They had good stretches on both ends when Ben was in and Joel was out last season. The offense was fine.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202001090PHI.html

They had this game against our full roster with Hayward when Embiid was out.
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Post#2630 » by falcolombardi » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:26 pm

GSP wrote:
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70sFan wrote:How people can still believe that Simmons could lead anything offensively is beyond my comprehension...

Let's wait for the end of the series before you start calling Embiid trash. I wouldn't be surprised if Hawks finish with one win in the series...


imagining a ben simmons, horford, Tobías Harris frontcourt is crazy, imagine the halfcourt offense

ben would get floated and neither tobias or horford spacing would be respected, Harris post ups in cramped paint would be their best option


They had good stretches on both ends when Ben was in and Joel was out last season. The offense was fine.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202001090PHI.html

They had this game against our full roster with Hayward when Embiid was out.


you got lineup data ? one game is too little sample size
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2631 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Jun 6, 2021 11:51 pm

So, I'm compiled a list of the Top 5 minute guys on the winning team for each series going back through...well we'll see, I've paused after getting through LeBron's rookie year.

The motivation here is to get more of a sense of the guys who truly succeeded as a guy you want in your Five against strong competition, and so it's not meant to say much about stars.

Strange fact though I was not expecting:

Joel Embiid has yet to make the list. (Ben Simmons has made it 3 times.)
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2632 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 7, 2021 12:50 am

The Mavs played a lot of isoball making their loss unsurprising since the teams looked like mirror images of each other except the Clippers have 2 guys to their 1 and they have better wing defenders. Despite getting a lot of assists Doncic has improvements to make in terms of integrating other players imo. I can see how a player like Porzingis could go cold in that offense. Euro Kobe may be closer than euro Bird at this point.

Batum getting out of Charlotte and re-emerging as an excellent role player was super predictable. It's a crime on multiple levels that deal had to be 5 years instead of 3, you know he would've shown up on 2019 Rockets or something if he got out a few years ago.
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Post#2633 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jun 7, 2021 1:18 am

Dr Positivity wrote:I can see how a player like Porzingis could go cold in that offense.

I don't think it's Luka's fault that Porzingis has turned into Bargnani 2.0 with a huge ego.

The audacity of him complaining about his role after not showing up for a whole series:

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Post#2634 » by TheGOATRises007 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 1:28 am

Luka is going to end his career as the offensive GOAT.

He is simply spectacularly amazing.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2635 » by TheGOATRises007 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 1:31 am

I think the Clippers are heading to the finals.

This was a big mental hurdle for them.
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Post#2636 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jun 7, 2021 1:38 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:I think the Clippers are heading to the finals.

This was a big mental hurdle for them.

I hope so. The Spurs series in 2015 was supposed to be like that for Lob City, though, and we all know what happened next. The Jazz will be a tough matchup.
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Post#2637 » by Clyde Frazier » Mon Jun 7, 2021 2:55 am

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Post#2638 » by falcolombardi » Mon Jun 7, 2021 3:19 am

of course lebron on toronto is the worst beating lol, of **** course

and 2017 warriors are there twice cause of course they are, durant in that team was unfair, when durant is the leader worry for the defense you know a team is unfair
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2639 » by Strepbacter » Mon Jun 7, 2021 3:59 am

Dr Positivity wrote:The Mavs played a lot of isoball making their loss unsurprising since the teams looked like mirror images of each other except the Clippers have 2 guys to their 1 and they have better wing defenders. Despite getting a lot of assists Doncic has improvements to make in terms of integrating other players imo. I can see how a player like Porzingis could go cold in that offense. Euro Kobe may be closer than euro Bird at this point.



Except Kobe spent the entire 00's playing on great passing teams, was way better off-ball, and was nowhere near as heliocentric. He also has a very long history of beautifully synergizing with star bigs. 08 with Bynum, 08 with Pau, 09 with Pau+Odom, and even 04 with Malone (though he wasn't a star at that point)

Nice try tho.
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Re: 2020-21 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2640 » by Dr Positivity » Mon Jun 7, 2021 4:26 am

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Dr Positivity wrote:The Mavs played a lot of isoball making their loss unsurprising since the teams looked like mirror images of each other except the Clippers have 2 guys to their 1 and they have better wing defenders. Despite getting a lot of assists Doncic has improvements to make in terms of integrating other players imo. I can see how a player like Porzingis could go cold in that offense. Euro Kobe may be closer than euro Bird at this point.



Except Kobe spent the entire 00's playing on great passing teams, was way better off-ball, and was nowhere near as heliocentric. He also has a very long history of beautifully synergizing with star bigs. 08 with Bynum, 08 with Pau, 09 with Pau+Odom, and even 04 with Malone (though he wasn't a star at that point)

Nice try tho.


I'm just saying he's closer to Kobe than Bird, I agree Kobe at this point uses his teammates better than Doncic, but Doncic has time. Maybe 80s Jordan would've been better comp.
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