Who's higher on your all time team? Bird, Hakeem or Kobe
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Hakeem, because his nickname rhymes with his real name.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Hakeem, because his nickname rhymes with his real name.
Hmm. So anything to do with Basketball?
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Bird - #6
Hakeem - #10
Kobe - #13
Hakeem - #10
Kobe - #13
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LeBron #1
Duncan #2
Jordan #3
Russell #4
Kareem #5
Garnett #6
Wilt #7
Magic #8
Hakeem #9
Shaq #10
Bird #11
Dirk #12
Oscar #13
Kobe #14
I mostly do tiers now though and one tier is LeBron through Wilt, the next is Magic through Dirk and then Oscar and Kobe are with about 7 or 8 other guys.
Duncan #2
Jordan #3
Russell #4
Kareem #5
Garnett #6
Wilt #7
Magic #8
Hakeem #9
Shaq #10
Bird #11
Dirk #12
Oscar #13
Kobe #14
I mostly do tiers now though and one tier is LeBron through Wilt, the next is Magic through Dirk and then Oscar and Kobe are with about 7 or 8 other guys.
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Probably Hakeem.
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
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Bird. This is easy and Kobe doesn’t belong with the others.
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fpliii wrote:Probably Hakeem. Rough tiers:
Jordan/Russell
Hakeem/Shaq/Magic
LeBron/Kareem/Garnett/Duncan
Bird/Curry/West
Kobe/Durant/Robinson/Oscar
Wilt/Paul/Nash/Dirk
LeBron and Kareem Tier 3?
What is the reasoning here ? (No judgement on my part, I'm just curious of your criteria)
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Hakeem>Bird>Kobe
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Will be the same as always was...
Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
In that order.
Hakeem
Kobe
Bird
In that order.
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Kobe is not on the same level as Larry and Dream IMO. Between the Rocket and the Celtic, though, it may depend on how much you value defense. Most top 10 rankings will have Larry higher than Hakeem but head to head you can defensibly go either way...Personally it's like deciding which is my favorite child but I reluctantly would take Hakeem. Larry however in the modern era would be beyond bonkers, I really think he would be more impressive even than Jokic
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It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.
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LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.
Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.
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Colbinii wrote:LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.
Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.
Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.
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SNPA wrote:Colbinii wrote:LeBird wrote:It seems 90s nostalgists love to overrate both Kobe and Hakeem. Bird is a legit GOAT candidate. The other two are a tier below, in that 10-15 ATG rank.
Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.
Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.
What exactly are you saying isn't comparable here when you say "Not at all comparable"?
LeBron has seasons where his defensive "advanced metrics" (I assume you mean DBPM and DWS) completely outshine Birds.
I'm not really sure what you are attempting to portray with your point but expand on it so its clear.
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1.Jordan
2.Kareem
3. Lebron
4.Russell
5.Duncan
6. Magic
7.Wilt
8. Shaq
9.Hakeem
10.Kobe
11.Bird
2.Kareem
3. Lebron
4.Russell
5.Duncan
6. Magic
7.Wilt
8. Shaq
9.Hakeem
10.Kobe
11.Bird
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I only have MJ/LeBron/Magic/Kareem above Bird, so him. Duncan is also better than Kobe/Hakeem
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Colbinii wrote:SNPA wrote:Colbinii wrote:
Bird isn't a goat candidate to me. Not a good enough defender, relatively poor longevity and not as resilient in the post-season as LeBron/Jordan/Duncan.
Advance stats love early Bird on defense. Longevity matters for career value, not peak. And LeBron cakewalked through a flat out terrible East most of his career, Bird was literally in a fight often and up against brutal teams a significant portion of the time, not at all comparable.
What exactly are you saying isn't comparable here when you say "Not at all comparable"?
LeBron has seasons where his defensive "advanced metrics" (I assume you mean DBPM and DWS) completely outshine Birds.
I'm not really sure what you are attempting to portray with your point but expand on it so its clear.
Bird’s playoff paths and LeBron’s.
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I'm big on Hakeem on an all time list, then Bird/Kobe neck and neck are pretty interchangeable. Peak Bird but there's a good (better?) argument for Kobe's longevity (that was hard to type).
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All time team is a different way to put it.
When I saw the question, I thought it’s easily Bird because he’s a top 4 F ever for sure. That makes him 2nd team at worst.
Olajuwon is top 5 player at a position that’s needed 1 in a team. He’s the best player among the given 3, but this looks like a marginal value in top 5, top 6 range for a position and Bird wins that one due to team structures.
When I saw the question, I thought it’s easily Bird because he’s a top 4 F ever for sure. That makes him 2nd team at worst.
Olajuwon is top 5 player at a position that’s needed 1 in a team. He’s the best player among the given 3, but this looks like a marginal value in top 5, top 6 range for a position and Bird wins that one due to team structures.
The issue with per75 numbers;
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.
36pts on 27 fga/9 fta in 36 mins, does this mean he'd keep up the efficiency to get 48pts on 36fga/12fta in 48 mins?
The answer; NO. He's human, not a linearly working machine.
Per75 is efficiency rate, not actual production.