Alperen Şengün

[GoBobs]

How does he compare to these guys?

Jokic minus the passing ability

Sabonis

Al Jefferson

[Charm]

How does he compare to these guys?

Jokic minus the passing ability

Sabonis

Al Jefferson

Passing ability is the biggest similarity between Sengun and Jokic, so "Jokic minus the passing ability" strikes me as a particularly poor comparison, no offense.

Sabonis is tricky because Sengun is so far ahead of him at the same age, winning MVP in a major pro league while Sabonis was playing limited bench minutes in the NCAA. In addition he's a much more capable shot blocker, which has been an issue for Sabonis.

He's probably similar to Jefferson in terms of talent, though more of a modern big with his developing dribble/pass/shoot skills. Jefferson, of course, struggled to get going because of injuries and issues with his weight. Sengun seems to be in much better shape than Jefferson was as a rookie.

[Roger Murdock]

How does he compare to these guys?

Jokic minus the passing ability

Sabonis

Al Jefferson

Sabonis is the closest.

Hes not as good of a passer as Jokic obviously but hes a very good and cerebral passer.

Sabonis is a decent comparison but he's far more productive at a younger age.

Al Jefferson was a total blackhole on offense but had a nice post game.


I think Marc Gasol is the best comparison.

[Bensational]

He's actually a big 3 or maybe a big 2. Its obvious. And by obvious I mean everyone disagrees with me but I will continue belligerently arguing my point for the next 15 pages.

This is the best post I’ve read in a long time. Sums up so many discussions on the internet.

[WuTang_CMB]

He’s a PG. Only 6’10 barefoot.

[Charm]

He’s a PG. Only 6’10 barefoot.

He did have 100 assists this season. Only a few freshman-age bigs have ever done that...Simmons and Anderson, and Jokic was very close with 96.

[SNPA]

Setting aside opinions of which he is, what are his pros and cons as a PF or Center?

I said earlier I think he poses more roster issues as a PF. That is because I think he gets abused by big wings and baring a super swift footed shot blocking big man that moves like a wing his team plays two traditional bigs in this era where that’s a disadvantage.

At center you might lose rim protection but I see him and a modern bouncy PF being able to mitigate that more easily, could get a big time shot blocker to back him up too and over lap them a few minutes per game. More options and rosters more easily obtainable IMO.

[Curtis Lemansky]

He was 2nd in the league in blocked shots so I don't understand where this lack of rim protection comes from. Shot-blocking numbers transfer rather seamlessly from Europe to NBA. Will he be Gobert or a monster rim-protector? No. Will he be Sabonis and offer no protection whatsoever? Emphatically no. I can see him average around 1.2 - 1.3 bpg in the NBA.

[Curmudgeon]

There is a conspiracy of agents for American college players. Every year they brand the young Europeans as "not athletic enough." Poor shot blocking/rim protection is just shorthand for this. Then almost every year the well-coached international players, who have been drilled in the fundamentals sincer age 10 and who have been playing against grown men since they were 16, prove these agents wrong.

Shot blocking is 50% being in the right place and 30-35% timing. Athleticism only accounts for the other small slice.

[Charm]

700+ points, 300+ rebounds, 100+ assists, 100+ stl+blk. Never been done by an NCAA player. Sengun did it in the pros at age 18.

[BlazersBroncos]

He might not have elite athleticism, but rim protection is big on timing and reading when a player is going to actually go up for the shot. Alperen is excellent at that.

I feel the Marc Gasol comparisons, but skewing more towards offense than defense where Marc IMO was the inverse.

[Mirotic12]

700+ points, 300+ rebounds, 100+ assists, 100+ stl+blk. Never been done by an NCAA player. Sengun did it in the pros at age 18.

The only stat he reached there was the 300 rebounds. He didn't make any of those other stats numbers. At least not according to the stats listed at the Turkish league's official website.

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/takim-detay/83751/basketbolcular

633 points
301 rebounds
92 assists
44 steals
52 blocks (so 96 steals and blocks)

Unless you are also counting the FIBA Europe Cup. But then that would be in two different leagues.

[Charm]

700+ points, 300+ rebounds, 100+ assists, 100+ stl+blk. Never been done by an NCAA player. Sengun did it in the pros at age 18.

The only stat he reached there was the 300 rebounds. He didn't make any of those other stats numbers. At least not according to the stats listed at the Turkish league's official website.

https://www.tbf.org.tr/ligler/bsl-2020-2021/takim-detay/83751/basketbolcular

633 points
301 rebounds
92 assists
44 steals
52 blocks (so 96 steals and blocks)

Unless you are also counting the FIBA Europe Cup. But then that would be in two different leagues.

Different league, but same team, and still respectable pro competition. Seems reasonable considering that most NCAA teams play non-conference schedules riddled with questionable opponents, and his overall total comes to 1043 minutes in 37 games, which is within the normal range for an NCAA season.

[Mirotic12]

Different league, but same team, and still respectable pro competition. Seems reasonable considering that most NCAA teams play non-conference schedules riddled with questionable opponents, and his overall total comes to 1043 minutes in 37 games, which is within the normal range for an NCAA season.

Yeah, I suppose you could equate the FIBA Europe Cup games to NCAA or NIT tournament games for a college player, since they count those in college stats.

[nolang1]

Setting aside opinions of which he is, what are his pros and cons as a PF or Center?

I said earlier I think he poses more roster issues as a PF. That is because I think he gets abused by big wings and baring a super swift footed shot blocking big man that moves like a wing his team plays two traditional bigs in this era where that’s a disadvantage.

At center you might lose rim protection but I see him and a modern bouncy PF being able to mitigate that more easily, could get a big time shot blocker to back him up too and over lap them a few minutes per game. More options and rosters more easily obtainable IMO.

If he were 7 feet tall with a 7'5 wingspan or whatever he'd be the #1 pick who you'd be wondering how to build around; as it is he's going mid-late lottery and can fit in according to the talent elsewhere on the team. I fail to see how it's a drawback that he can feasibly play either position depending on the situation as opposed to being a Richaun Holmes type of player who, in exchange for being maybe 10% better as a shotblocker, can only play center and is mostly dependent on others to create offense for him.

[Charm]

Different league, but same team, and still respectable pro competition. Seems reasonable considering that most NCAA teams play non-conference schedules riddled with questionable opponents, and his overall total comes to 1043 minutes in 37 games, which is within the normal range for an NCAA season.

I suppose you could equate FIBA Europe Cup to NCAA or NIT tournament games.

Yeah, or like one of those random early-season kickoff tournaments teams sometimes play (Maui Invitational, Battle for Atlantis, etc). These comparisons are all very approximate of course, and the thresholds I picked are arbitrary, but still surprising to me that it's literally never been done by any of the countless tens of thousands of players who've gone through the NCAA in the last 30 years.

[SNPA]

Setting aside opinions of which he is, what are his pros and cons as a PF or Center?

I said earlier I think he poses more roster issues as a PF. That is because I think he gets abused by big wings and baring a super swift footed shot blocking big man that moves like a wing his team plays two traditional bigs in this era where that’s a disadvantage.

At center you might lose rim protection but I see him and a modern bouncy PF being able to mitigate that more easily, could get a big time shot blocker to back him up too and over lap them a few minutes per game. More options and rosters more easily obtainable IMO.

If he were 7 feet tall with a 7'5 wingspan or whatever he'd be the #1 pick who you'd be wondering how to build around; as it is he's going mid-late lottery and can fit in according to the talent elsewhere on the team. I fail to see how it's a drawback that he can feasibly play either position depending on the situation as opposed to being a Richaun Holmes type of player who, in exchange for being maybe 10% better as a shotblocker, can only play center and is mostly dependent on others to create offense for him.

Holmes moves his feet and stays with wings and guards better than any center in the league. That’s the main area I see Sengun having issues as a PF. The fact he can play both spots in some lineups is great, I am just pointing out that it will be easier to roster match him as a center because as a PF you need a center that moves his feet on switches, blocks shots and does not clog the lane (so a solid shooter)...and those are hard to find.

[Charm]

Setting aside opinions of which he is, what are his pros and cons as a PF or Center?

I said earlier I think he poses more roster issues as a PF. That is because I think he gets abused by big wings and baring a super swift footed shot blocking big man that moves like a wing his team plays two traditional bigs in this era where that’s a disadvantage.

At center you might lose rim protection but I see him and a modern bouncy PF being able to mitigate that more easily, could get a big time shot blocker to back him up too and over lap them a few minutes per game. More options and rosters more easily obtainable IMO.

If he were 7 feet tall with a 7'5 wingspan or whatever he'd be the #1 pick who you'd be wondering how to build around; as it is he's going mid-late lottery and can fit in according to the talent elsewhere on the team. I fail to see how it's a drawback that he can feasibly play either position depending on the situation as opposed to being a Richaun Holmes type of player who, in exchange for being maybe 10% better as a shotblocker, can only play center and is mostly dependent on others to create offense for him.

Holmes moves his feet and stays with wings and guards better than any center in the league. That’s the main area I see Sengun having issues as a PF. The fact he can play both spots in some lineups is great, I am just pointing out that it will be easier to roster match him as a center because as a PF you need a center that moves his feet on switches, blocks shots and does not clog the lane (so a solid shooter)...and those are hard to find.

Are they so hard to find?

You have Wood on the Rockets, Grant on the Pistons, Poku on the Thunder, Nance on the Cavs, Okeke on the Magic, Siakam on the Raptors, Barnes on the Kings, Washington on the Hornets, Anderson on the Grizz, Tatum on the Celtics, Avdija/Hachimura on the Wiz. All those guys would be good or great fits at PF next to Sengun.

Only teams where he'd really be a weird fit are Spurs (but they'd magically find a way to make it work), Warriors (awful fit with Wiseman), and Pacers (already a packed frontcourt).

[SNPA]

If he were 7 feet tall with a 7'5 wingspan or whatever he'd be the #1 pick who you'd be wondering how to build around; as it is he's going mid-late lottery and can fit in according to the talent elsewhere on the team. I fail to see how it's a drawback that he can feasibly play either position depending on the situation as opposed to being a Richaun Holmes type of player who, in exchange for being maybe 10% better as a shotblocker, can only play center and is mostly dependent on others to create offense for him.

Holmes moves his feet and stays with wings and guards better than any center in the league. That’s the main area I see Sengun having issues as a PF. The fact he can play both spots in some lineups is great, I am just pointing out that it will be easier to roster match him as a center because as a PF you need a center that moves his feet on switches, blocks shots and does not clog the lane (so a solid shooter)...and those are hard to find.

Are they so hard to find?

You have Wood on the Rockets, Grant on the Pistons, Poku on the Thunder, Nance on the Cavs, Okeke on the Magic, Siakam on the Raptors, Barnes on the Kings, Washington on the Hornets, Anderson on the Grizz, Tatum on the Celtics, Avdija/Hachimura on the Wiz. All those guys would be good or great fits at PF next to Sengun.

Only teams where he'd really be a weird fit are Spurs (but they'd magically find a way to make it work), Warriors (awful fit with Wiseman), and Pacers (already a packed frontcourt).

I think I wasn’t clear, I’m saying it is going to be easier to find the type of guys you list to pair at PF with Sengun at Center, but it will be much harder to find a Center that can switch, protect the rim and shoot to pair with Sengun if he plays PF.

[Charm]

Holmes moves his feet and stays with wings and guards better than any center in the league. That’s the main area I see Sengun having issues as a PF. The fact he can play both spots in some lineups is great, I am just pointing out that it will be easier to roster match him as a center because as a PF you need a center that moves his feet on switches, blocks shots and does not clog the lane (so a solid shooter)...and those are hard to find.

Are they so hard to find?

You have Wood on the Rockets, Grant on the Pistons, Poku on the Thunder, Nance on the Cavs, Okeke on the Magic, Siakam on the Raptors, Barnes on the Kings, Washington on the Hornets, Anderson on the Grizz, Tatum on the Celtics, Avdija/Hachimura on the Wiz. All those guys would be good or great fits at PF next to Sengun.

Only teams where he'd really be a weird fit are Spurs (but they'd magically find a way to make it work), Warriors (awful fit with Wiseman), and Pacers (already a packed frontcourt).

I think I wasn’t clear, I’m saying it is going to be easier to find the type of guys you list to pair at PF with Sengun at Center, but it will be much harder to find a Center that can switch, protect the rim and shoot to pair with Sengun if he plays PF.

Oh, no, you were clear, I was just reading too fast and misinterpreted you *facepalm*