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Post#361 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:14 am

Brewhoopfan wrote:Tim Duncan's greatness was being able to make the same boring shot in the paint over and over agains. Giannis is the anti-Duncan. Giannis has shown a great jump hook at times and a nice turnaround in the middle of the lane. Yet he gets the ball in the middle of the lane and still has no **** idea what to do. In the biggest game of his life, he starts the game by bricking 8 footers shooting weak one handed push shots I've never seen him shoot before. What the actual ****? Why is he so incapable of getting out of his own way?


Absolutely this. The two possessions he posted up Green resulted in a score and a FT trip (I think he was 1/2). Harden guards him and he shoots a fade because he couldn't just simply spin baseline and elevate over him for a basic layup. I saw in the middle of the 4th a play where he caught an errant pass or gathered a loose ball and was scared to dunk the ball on JOE HARRIS. He hesitated and missed a bunny.

And I have noticed he did start using a little turnaround hook at times and a decent mid-range shot in the middle of the paint, but he resorts to some of his worst habits when things get tight.

Freak needs to lock himself in a gym with Kevin Garnett. I always have said he *should* and still can become the evolutionary KG, but with more athleticism and a transition game. Literally just practice a handful of things. Half the battle is mental. Realizing where you are most effective (17-ft and in). Don't listen to the advanced metrics geeks about trying to become a 37% 3-pt shooter. Honestly, the only threes he should take are about 2-3 catch and shoot threes a game. This way he doesn't have to think about it or take his stupid gather dribble. Just catch it off of a swing/swing and let it go. His shot looks better when he doesn't overthink (among basically everything else he does).

1. When facing up, a mid-range jumper. 1-3 dribbles, elevate and a simple shot. 98% of the league wouldn't be able to guard it.
2. A floater. It would greatly bring his drives under control and with his crazy wingspan a 6-7 foot floater could be a layup for him.
3. Jump-hook. The quintessential PF/C shot. Turn either shoulder, off the glass. Once he can hit that with some regularity you can then develop counters whether it's an up-and-under or a hard shoulder-fake.
4. The most important of all. FREE THROWS. Scrap the moronic, infantile routine and practice 1-3 dribbles and let it go. Wasn't he a 72-74% FT shooter for most of his career up until the bubble? He's going to get to the line 7-10 times a game (most nights, when he's being properly officiated) and if he can become a reliable FT shooter this makes him at least 50% more dangerous and effective.
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Re: PG: Bucks on the Brink 

Post#362 » by soboMP3 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:15 am

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greekbuck34 wrote:We win game 6 and go to Brooklyn for another try.

If KD manages to put 50 again on a adjusted defense and/or J,Green shoots like Ray Allen then good they deserve it.

If Bud does exactly the same crap without different looks at defense and with Jrue not attacking Harden on offense or Giannis not being used in PNRs or in the post and then we can finally kick him out and bring someone else.


I mean I hear you, but good luck Harris/Harden shooting 3-21 either...

And, God forbid Irving is ready by then.

We aint...got it. Probably ever.
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Post#363 » by -Jragon- » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:15 am

You want to be honest or nah?? As amazing as Durant and Green played, That Giannis missed catch and easy 2 points would have tied the game. The Nets were getting fatigued at that time from that whole comeback and swarming defense. When Durant got fouled that was a 4 point swing which gave them the last bit of energy they needed. If Giannis ties the game there now we have momentum and that's what 17 seconds left tie game? With Durant making every shot and Giannis missing free throws we're one catch and easy layin from a tie with 17 seconds... overtime would have been hard on the Nets after that comeback.
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Post#364 » by TD75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:16 am

Giannis is not a big because he has never learned the fundamentals of a big. It is that simple.

Giannis, before he joined the NBA, was not training as a big. When he came to the NBA he did not train as a big.

Now this is the major problem. Giannis grew taller in his first years in the NBA and focused on physical training (weight lifting, etc). As a result, he is an underskilled guard in the body of a big.

His development as a player has been very unusual. It granted him recognition around the league, because he can do things on the court that only he can do. This combination of physical attributes with the mentality and skillset of a guard (even if underskilled) grants him significant advantages.

In my opinion, the problem started when he kept on focusing on developing as a big physically. He lost a lot of his agility (watch again the 2018 series against Toronto if you want). Now, playing the guard game becomes increasingly more difficult for him. Combine this with him
- clearly never being coached to expand his game (how many new moves has Giannis really developed all those years training with the Bucks?)
- and him focusing on getting better at shooting (understandable at times) to the detriment of other areas of development (for example, he has not put emphasis in learning the fundamentals (it is obvious from the way he plays, he is still looking for answers in obvious situations in the game)
and you have a player that has great production in most of the games but also is disappointing to watch at times because he could be so much better.

I am not sure there ever was a plan on how to develop Giannis and if there was, it seems to have failed. This is not easy.
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Re: PG: Bucks on the Brink 

Post#365 » by 0BobLobLaw0 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:16 am

rilamann wrote:Still can't believe Giannis settled for a fadeaway with Harden on him in a tie game with a minute and a half left. Your season and legacy is on the line and you settle that shot while being defended by a guy with a busted hamstring. Glad Barkley talked about it on inside in the NBA. Then you top it off by fumbling the ball with 20 seconds left. Unbelievable.


Nevermind the hamstring....he is 6 inches shorter AND NOT A GOOD DEFENDER. Go ahead and settle, Gainnis.
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Post#366 » by Baddy Chuck » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:18 am

I'm still not out on the series but man, this was infuriating.
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Post#367 » by aboveAverage » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:19 am

neiLz wrote:Man media going off on bucks... Normally in a game like this you can pick out one or two things. Theres multiple things they're hammering the bucks on (leaving brook in and running the drop, Giannis fadeaways, Giannis drops, not doubling kd, leaving Jeff green, not posting James harden, Jesus Christ.

They fully deserve it.
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Post#370 » by yannis-akumpo » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:20 am

Man the stuff Giannis was saying in the post game interview was embarrassing
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Post#371 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:21 am

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rilamann wrote:Still can't believe Giannis settled for a fadeaway with Harden on him in a tie game with a minute and a half left. Your season and legacy is on the line and you settle that shot while being defended by a guy with a busted hamstring. Glad Barkley talked about it on inside in the NBA. Then you top it off by fumbling the ball with 20 seconds left. Unbelievable.


Nevermind the hamstring....he is 6 inches shorter AND NOT A GOOD DEFENDER. Go ahead and settle, Gainnis.


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"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
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Post#372 » by UnFadeable21 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:21 am

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Read on Twitter
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Lol


this was the game to take on the challenge


Yup, Bucks needed to win tonight so they could close out game 6.
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Post#373 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:22 am

yannis-akumpo wrote:Man the stuff Giannis was saying in the post game interview was embarrassing


Such as?
"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
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Post#374 » by rilamann » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:22 am

0BobLobLaw0 wrote:
rilamann wrote:Still can't believe Giannis settled for a fadeaway with Harden on him in a tie game with a minute and a half left. Your season and legacy is on the line and you settle that shot while being defended by a guy with a busted hamstring. Glad Barkley talked about it on inside in the NBA. Then you top it off by fumbling the ball with 20 seconds left. Unbelievable.


Nevermind the hamstring....he is 6 inches shorter AND NOT A GOOD DEFENDER. Go ahead and settle, Gainnis.

Yeah you're right, that would have been weak on Giannis' part in that situation if Harden was 100%. And such a massive possession in a tie game with a minute and a half left. Obviously, we score there we play with the upper hand in the final minute and changes everything down the stretch. We probably end up in a situation where Brooklyn is trying to tie the game on the final possession.
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Post#375 » by Milbucks96 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:23 am

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yannis-akumpo wrote:Honestly after this season, I'm all for converting Giannis into a pure big man. Just remove that start at the 3pt line and try to attack from half court. Giannis can do that kind of stuff in transition but in halfcourt, he should have his ass in the paint at ALL times


Is there a Utah assistant HC candidate? Make him watch Gobert film all day long and copy it. Combine that with being the best open court player in the league and you're still an MVP candidate scoring 25+. But best part is it's replicable in the playoffs. somehow Gobert does this all night long and doesn't get 6 charges a game or fouls out often.

Gobert is playing with Mitchell. Giannis is playing with Khris.

Converting Giannis to a Gobert-like player would be a mistake in my opinion, unless you bring in Milwaukee a superstar to take on the responsibilities in offense.

I am not sure about today. Do people really feel that overall Giannis did not play well (I am not talking about specific plays, I am talking overall about his play tonight)? (Honest question btw)

He played great the first 2 1/2 quarters on both sides, kinda went quiet offensively and then the fourth quarter was terrible. He kept the bad shots down to an almost minimum and kept the ball moving as much as possible for most of the game. It’s just that the mistakes he made were huge, it’s a team game but when the other team is down that many body’s(they were playing 4 on 5 almost the whole game) and you have the series and game by the neck, you should be able to depend on your superstar to get you this win.
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Post#376 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:23 am

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this was the game to take on the challenge


Yup, Bucks needed to win tonight so they could close out game 6.


Pretty much. The entire universe knew that Durant was going to be the sole focus. If not the whole game, Gianni should've been his primary defender in the second half. Most MVPs/DPOYs would've told everyone, including the coaches, "I got 'em."
"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
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Post#377 » by yannis-akumpo » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:24 am

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yannis-akumpo wrote:Man the stuff Giannis was saying in the post game interview was embarrassing


Such as?

He just sounded wayy to accepting of the defeat and nonchalant. Also openly admitted KD was the best player in the world. Like it's 100% true but you are in the middle of a series against him...
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Post#378 » by TD75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:25 am

This team has avoided actual criticism for the past 2 years.

Now they have to answer the difficult questions.

I believe that Bucks fans should welcome such a change. It can bring change towards a better philosophy/mentality at last.
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Post#379 » by CharityStripe34 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:25 am

yannis-akumpo wrote:
CharityStripe34 wrote:
yannis-akumpo wrote:Man the stuff Giannis was saying in the post game interview was embarrassing


Such as?

He just sounded wayy to accepting of the defeat and nonchalant. Also openly admitted KD was the best player in the world. Like it's 100% true but you are in the middle of a series against him...


The TikTok generation. Playing nice instead of playing cutthroat.
"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
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Post#380 » by TD75 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:26 am

Read on Twitter


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