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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#461 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:07 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Holy cow

Scott Brooks and Stan Van Gundy out


my first thought is, what a fun offseason this is going to be.

Pelicans is gonna be an attractive gig with Zion and Ingram there.

Similar to Boston where you have 2 of the best young players in the league on the same team, minus the crazy media/fan scrutiny that comes with coaching a pro team in Boston..

This is crazy, how many head coach openings are there now?

Boston
New Orleans
Indiana
Portland
Washington
Orlando

That's it, right?

It'll be interesting to see if Popovich retires, opening up the Spurs. job for Hammon, or if he stays 1 more year. If he stays 1 more year, Hammon might take off and accept 1 of these other jobs, and San Antonio misses out on their future coach to replace Pop..

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-spur-horry-believes-that-gregg-popovich-coached-his-last-game
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#462 » by Bad-Thoma » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:19 pm

denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#463 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:29 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.

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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#464 » by GoCeltics123 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:30 pm

Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:Holy cow

Scott Brooks and Stan Van Gundy out


my first thought is, what a fun offseason this is going to be.

Pelicans is gonna be an attractive gig with Zion and Ingram there.

Similar to Boston where you have 2 of the best young players in the league on the same team, minus the crazy media/fan scrutiny that comes with coaching a pro team in Boston..

This is crazy, how many head coach openings are there now?

Boston
New Orleans
Indiana
Portland
Washington
Orlando

That's it, right?

It'll be interesting to see if Popovich retires, opening up the Spurs. job for Hammon, or if he stays 1 more year. If he stays 1 more year, Hammon might take off and accept 1 of these other jobs, and San Antonio misses out on their future coach to replace Pop..

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-spur-horry-believes-that-gregg-popovich-coached-his-last-game

Bucks job open soon too
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#465 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:46 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
playa-hater wrote:
my first thought is, what a fun offseason this is going to be.

Pelicans is gonna be an attractive gig with Zion and Ingram there.

Similar to Boston where you have 2 of the best young players in the league on the same team, minus the crazy media/fan scrutiny that comes with coaching a pro team in Boston..

This is crazy, how many head coach openings are there now?

Boston
New Orleans
Indiana
Portland
Washington
Orlando

That's it, right?

It'll be interesting to see if Popovich retires, opening up the Spurs. job for Hammon, or if he stays 1 more year. If he stays 1 more year, Hammon might take off and accept 1 of these other jobs, and San Antonio misses out on their future coach to replace Pop..

https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/ex-spur-horry-believes-that-gregg-popovich-coached-his-last-game

Bucks job open soon too

Maybe, maybe not. That's by no means a certainty, especially since they're giving the Nets a tough series.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#466 » by Froob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:46 pm

denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?

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Post#467 » by Froob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:46 pm

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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#468 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:49 pm

denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#469 » by ryaningf » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:57 pm

denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


Maybe you need a man coach (to become a better man), but technically speaking we are in the market for a basketball coach.
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Post#470 » by sam_I_am » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:09 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


Maybe you need a man coach (to become a better man), but technically speaking we are in the market for a basketball coach.


As long as she isn’t expected to actually play against the men, what’s the difference? I would love for Celtics to be first team to hire a woman and add to their understated progressive track record with players and coaches. However, this team is at a hugely important crossroads and the next coach has to be able to lead these guys to a title. I wouldn’t hire the Brad Stevens out of Butler for this job either. For me it’s Chauncey Billups or Sam Cassell. That said, if Tatum told the team he wants to play for Kara Lawson then I’m okay with that.
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Post#471 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:34 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.


I'm not sure if it's just not being articulated correctly by people that have this opinion but I wonder if what they are alluding to is that a woman CAN'T be the most qualified. They've never played in the NBA. They've never been inside a men's locker room, privy to the banter and chemistry formed there and in all likelihood have never coached professional male athletes before. How can someone that lacks all this BE the most qualified? It's of course impossible to get that experience without first getting a chance. So there's a Catch-22. But a woman will never know what it's like inside the locker room with male athletes. Obviously she experienced locker rooms with women but it's a completely different thing. So won't it be harder to win them over and command respect? Won't it be that much more difficult and a barrier is being introduced that doesn't need to be something an owner, G.M. and players necessarily want to deal with? I'm not saying many of these posters aren't misogynists with their takes on a female coach, maybe they are, but maybe they just know it introduces challenges that aren't attractive to teams and players and for various reasons, they feel a woman can never truly be the "most qualified", but they aren't properly explaining that in their posts.

I personally think these challenges can be overcome. It will require a little getting used to and a chance will need to be taken and adjustments made and there are some very qualified women in this sport who deserve a chance. The woman will need to be very brave and resilient though because breaking that barrier will require it. She'll get so much heat. I think once it does happen and the woman has some success it'll open the floodgates in all sports. I also think a subset of fans will mock it no matter what and there's nothing we can say or do to change their minds about it so why even try.
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Post#472 » by StojkoVrankovic » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:03 pm

denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?

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Post#474 » by 31to6 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:05 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


Maybe you need a man coach (to become a better man), but technically speaking we are in the market for a basketball coach.


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Post#475 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:46 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


Maybe you need a man coach (to become a better man), but technically speaking we are in the market for a basketball coach.


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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#476 » by Bad-Thoma » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:53 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.


I'm not sure if it's just not being articulated correctly by people that have this opinion but I wonder if what they are alluding to is that a woman CAN'T be the most qualified. They've never played in the NBA. They've never been inside a men's locker room, privy to the banter and chemistry formed there and in all likelihood have never coached professional male athletes before. How can someone that lacks all this BE the most qualified? It's of course impossible to get that experience without first getting a chance. So there's a Catch-22. But a woman will never know what it's like inside the locker room with male athletes. Obviously she experienced locker rooms with women but it's a completely different thing. So won't it be harder to win them over and command respect? Won't it be that much more difficult and a barrier is being introduced that doesn't need to be something an owner, G.M. and players necessarily want to deal with? I'm not saying many of these posters aren't misogynists with their takes on a female coach, maybe they are, but maybe they just know it introduces challenges that aren't attractive to teams and players and for various reasons, they feel a woman can never truly be the "most qualified", but they aren't properly explaining that in their posts.

I personally think these challenges can be overcome. It will require a little getting used to and a chance will need to be taken and adjustments made and there are some very qualified women in this sport who deserve a chance. The woman will need to be very brave and resilient though because breaking that barrier will require it. She'll get so much heat. I think once it does happen and the woman has some success it'll open the floodgates in all sports. I also think a subset of fans will mock it no matter what and there's nothing we can say or do to change their minds about it so why even try.


I think it can be overcome and I do agree it will initially come with it's own set of challenges. I'd also love to see the C's be the team brave enough to break the gender barrier even if the inevitable scrutiny would likely be plentiful and cringe worthy. Of course all of this assumes the candidate is the most suitable for the task.

I do want to give you props for questioning it in a fair and open minded way, it's obviously a sensitive subject.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#477 » by Froob » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:54 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.


I'm not sure if it's just not being articulated correctly by people that have this opinion but I wonder if what they are alluding to is that a woman CAN'T be the most qualified. They've never played in the NBA. They've never been inside a men's locker room, privy to the banter and chemistry formed there and in all likelihood have never coached professional male athletes before. How can someone that lacks all this BE the most qualified? It's of course impossible to get that experience without first getting a chance. So there's a Catch-22. But a woman will never know what it's like inside the locker room with male athletes. Obviously she experienced locker rooms with women but it's a completely different thing. So won't it be harder to win them over and command respect? Won't it be that much more difficult and a barrier is being introduced that doesn't need to be something an owner, G.M. and players necessarily want to deal with? I'm not saying many of these posters aren't misogynists with their takes on a female coach, maybe they are, but maybe they just know it introduces challenges that aren't attractive to teams and players and for various reasons, they feel a woman can never truly be the "most qualified", but they aren't properly explaining that in their posts.

I personally think these challenges can be overcome. It will require a little getting used to and a chance will need to be taken and adjustments made and there are some very qualified women in this sport who deserve a chance. The woman will need to be very brave and resilient though because breaking that barrier will require it. She'll get so much heat. I think once it does happen and the woman has some success it'll open the floodgates in all sports. I also think a subset of fans will mock it no matter what and there's nothing we can say or do to change their minds about it so why even try.

That's the nuanced, thoughtful response. The "what's happening to this country" isn't.

Someone like Hammon does have some lockerroom experience, as does Lawson - though only 1 season. Regardless, I tend to think that respect is earned by how you perform. Some will have it walking in the door like Nash did - Chauncey, Cassell, etc. The lockerroom is their's to lose. The rest will have to earn it, regardless. Retread coach, promoted assistant, college coach, whatever. A woman coach might have a little higher barrier for some players, but hopefully that's a small minority, and she'd overcome it the same way any other coach would - competence and winning.

EDIT: to be clear, I know you stated basically the same, I was just reinforcing.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#479 » by cloverleaf » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:12 pm

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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.


I'm not sure if it's just not being articulated correctly by people that have this opinion but I wonder if what they are alluding to is that a woman CAN'T be the most qualified. They've never played in the NBA. They've never been inside a men's locker room, privy to the banter and chemistry formed there and in all likelihood have never coached professional male athletes before. How can someone that lacks all this BE the most qualified? It's of course impossible to get that experience without first getting a chance. So there's a Catch-22. But a woman will never know what it's like inside the locker room with male athletes. Obviously she experienced locker rooms with women but it's a completely different thing. So won't it be harder to win them over and command respect? Won't it be that much more difficult and a barrier is being introduced that doesn't need to be something an owner, G.M. and players necessarily want to deal with? I'm not saying many of these posters aren't misogynists with their takes on a female coach, maybe they are, but maybe they just know it introduces challenges that aren't attractive to teams and players and for various reasons, they feel a woman can never truly be the "most qualified", but they aren't properly explaining that in their posts.

I personally think these challenges can be overcome. It will require a little getting used to and a chance will need to be taken and adjustments made and there are some very qualified women in this sport who deserve a chance. The woman will need to be very brave and resilient though because breaking that barrier will require it. She'll get so much heat. I think once it does happen and the woman has some success it'll open the floodgates in all sports. I also think a subset of fans will mock it no matter what and there's nothing we can say or do to change their minds about it so why even try.


Okay, overlooking the fact that Lawson was apparently incredibly successful as an assistant coach for the C's male players last season, I am curious as to the capacity by which you have managed a comparative study of the differences between men's and women's locker rooms.
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denmuscles wrote:Nothing against women, but we need a man coach. What is happening to this country ?


So even entertaining the notion that if a female coach is the most qualified she should be hired is a "what's happening to this country" moment for you? That's special.


I'm not sure if it's just not being articulated correctly by people that have this opinion but I wonder if what they are alluding to is that a woman CAN'T be the most qualified. They've never played in the NBA. They've never been inside a men's locker room, privy to the banter and chemistry formed there and in all likelihood have never coached professional male athletes before. How can someone that lacks all this BE the most qualified? It's of course impossible to get that experience without first getting a chance. So there's a Catch-22. But a woman will never know what it's like inside the locker room with male athletes. Obviously she experienced locker rooms with women but it's a completely different thing. So won't it be harder to win them over and command respect? Won't it be that much more difficult and a barrier is being introduced that doesn't need to be something an owner, G.M. and players necessarily want to deal with? I'm not saying many of these posters aren't misogynists with their takes on a female coach, maybe they are, but maybe they just know it introduces challenges that aren't attractive to teams and players and for various reasons, they feel a woman can never truly be the "most qualified", but they aren't properly explaining that in their posts.

I personally think these challenges can be overcome. It will require a little getting used to and a chance will need to be taken and adjustments made and there are some very qualified women in this sport who deserve a chance. The woman will need to be very brave and resilient though because breaking that barrier will require it. She'll get so much heat. I think once it does happen and the woman has some success it'll open the floodgates in all sports. I also think a subset of fans will mock it no matter what and there's nothing we can say or do to change their minds about it so why even try.


Thanks for an honest and non-inflammatory post about a tough subject.

My immediate counter would be that there are female assistant coaches in the NBA and I’ve heard absolutely no evidence for the kind of difficulties you describe. Celtics players absolutely *loved* Kara Lawson.

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