Hal’s Draft Thread

[playa-hater]

Langford - Nesmith - Brown - Tatum - Scottie Barnes would be a pretty sweet lineup but need Langford to develop at least Marcus Smart-tier shooting and PNR ability, and for Scottie Barnes to shoot at Marcus Smart-level.
Not to mention Barnes has to fall to #16.

so we are finally in agreement on something.. took you long enough.

[djFan71]

I'm not 100% yet, but my current leanings are:

1. If Johnson, Giddey, Garuba, or Kai are at #16, grab one in that order.
2. If not trade down with HOU and get 2 of Mann/Butler/Murphy III/Roko/Robinson-Earl/Todd/Thor.

I'm not positive on the Kai part even.
I really like Mann. Worst case he's Shamet, best case he's a taller Young. I might even take him 16 if the others are gone.

For me to not trade down with Houston the only guys I take at 16 are Giddey, Springer or Garuba. If those 2 are gone I look to trade down.

My choices at 22 and 23 are eerily similar to yours.

Obviously I am all on the Todd train. Been for a while now. Kid got Christian Wood/Chris Bosh written all over him. Be a great addition to the team.
I take a pg with the other pick. Springer, Ayo for me are in this spot. Mann is too short armed for me. He is tall but he plays smaller.

Funny, I had Springer & Ayo in there at first then realized I needed to not list half the players in the draft, lol.

EDIT: Also, Mann is totally against my archetype, but dude can flat out just hit shots from anywhere. I tend to like that sometimes. You're definitely hoping for a lot of development in other areas (playmaking, etc). But, the shotmaking is nuts. Or, I've been duped by highlights...

[Half-Full]

I'm not 100% yet, but my current leanings are:

1. If Johnson, Giddey, Garuba, or Kai are at #16, grab one in that order.
2. If not trade down with HOU and get 2 of Mann/Butler/Murphy III/Roko/Robinson-Earl/Todd/Thor.

I'm not positive on the Kai part even.
I really like Mann. Worst case he's Shamet, best case he's a taller Young. I might even take him 16 if the others are gone.

For me to not trade down with Houston the only guys I take at 16 are Giddey, Springer or Garuba. If those 2 are gone I look to trade down.

My choices at 22 and 23 are eerily similar to yours.

Obviously I am all on the Todd train. Been for a while now. Kid got Christian Wood/Chris Bosh written all over him. Be a great addition to the team.
I take a pg with the other pick. Springer, Ayo for me are in this spot. Mann is too short armed for me. He is tall but he plays smaller.

Funny, I had Springer & Ayo in there at first then realized I needed to not list half the players in the draft, lol.

EDIT: Also, Mann is totally against my archetype, but dude can flat out just hit shots from anywhere. I tend to like that sometimes. You're definitely hoping for a lot of development in other areas (playmaking, etc). But, the shotmaking is nuts. Or, I've been duped by highlights...

Yeah, there is danger in the highlights. I always follow up on highlight videos to see what other scouting reports have to say.

[djFan71]

For me to not trade down with Houston the only guys I take at 16 are Giddey, Springer or Garuba. If those 2 are gone I look to trade down.

My choices at 22 and 23 are eerily similar to yours.

Obviously I am all on the Todd train. Been for a while now. Kid got Christian Wood/Chris Bosh written all over him. Be a great addition to the team.
I take a pg with the other pick. Springer, Ayo for me are in this spot. Mann is too short armed for me. He is tall but he plays smaller.

Funny, I had Springer & Ayo in there at first then realized I needed to not list half the players in the draft, lol.

EDIT: Also, Mann is totally against my archetype, but dude can flat out just hit shots from anywhere. I tend to like that sometimes. You're definitely hoping for a lot of development in other areas (playmaking, etc). But, the shotmaking is nuts. Or, I've been duped by highlights...

Yeah, there is danger in the highlights. I always follow up on highlight videos to see what other scouting reports have to say.

Ditto, was just fun to say. He definitely has his flaws, but the shot is really, really nice.

[cloverleaf]

Bassey?

[Hal14]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

[djFan71]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

[playa-hater]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

The problem is hes a tweener..as in "between' the 16th and 45 pick.. After looking at him I believe he is too early to draft at 16 and definitely won't last so 45 so I stopped looking.

[djFan71]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

I love me some OG.

[playa-hater]

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

I love me some OG.

If it does turn out as good as OG then certainly we should have considered him.

[Hal14]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

The problem is hes a tweener..as in "between' the 16th and 45 pick.. After looking at him I believe he is too early to draft at 16 and definitely won't last so 45 so I stopped looking.

Just because he is projected to go lower doesn't mean you can't take him higher.

He's a 50-40-90 guy who's 6'9" with good athleticism, excellent defender, versatile defender who's only 20 years old...seems like the projections are underrating him..

[Hal14]

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

I love me some OG.

If it does turn out as good as OG then certainly we should have considered him.

They're comparable in terms of length, defense and athleticism.

Murphy had a 50-40-90 season his last year in college at age 20

OG shot 47% FG, 37% from 3 and 63% FT at age 20 his rookie year

Maybe that was just because the difference in competition? This was OG's last year in college at age 19:
OG shot 55% FG, 31% from 3, 56% FT

[winsomme2]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

The problem is hes a tweener..as in "between' the 16th and 45 pick.. After looking at him I believe he is too early to draft at 16 and definitely won't last so 45 so I stopped looking.

I think that was me.

I honestly had never even heard of him.

The thing I was most tantalized by was his ball handling.

Good workouts will really boost his stock IMO

[Hal14]

Read on Twitter

Trade up to get him? It's looking highly unlikely he will still be there at 16..

And oh by the way, Giddey posted a ridiculous 36.3% assist rate this past season (at age 18 playing in a professional league) on just a 19.5% usage rate. That's nuts. That's Chris Paul territory.

For context, this is what the top PGs posted this past season. Hint = the lower the usage and the higher the assist rate, the better..a good NBA PG should be at 25% assist rate or higher and their assist rate should be at least a few percentage points higher than their usage rate:

Player Usage % Assist %
Curry 34.80% 30.50%
Westbrook 30.20% 48.60%
Trae Young 33.00% 45.50%
Doncic 36.00% 44.10%
Conley 23.10% 30.60%
Lillard 31.40% 34.60%
Lowry 21.40% 31.80%
Morant 27.20% 33.50%
De'Aaron Fox 31% 32.70%
Lonzo Ball 20.50% 25.10%
Chris paul 22.60% 40.90%
Lamelo Ball 26.10% 33.90%
Malcolm Brogdon 25.90% 25.70%
Jru Holiday 22.20% 26.30%
Kemba Walker 26.10% 23.80%

[playa-hater]

BostonCouchGM mentioned him a while back and I climbed on board. That video link a few pages ago about sleepers they talk about him too. Don't expect big things as far as creation, etc, just solid 3&D from the 3-4 spot. Which.... yes, please!

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

The problem is hes a tweener..as in "between' the 16th and 45 pick.. After looking at him I believe he is too early to draft at 16 and definitely won't last so 45 so I stopped looking.

Just because he is projected to go lower doesn't mean you can't take him higher.

He's a 50-40-90 guy who's 6'9" with good athleticism, excellent defender, versatile defender who's only 20 years old...seems like the projections are underrating him..

Obviously if a team likes him they can draft them higher than what hes projected.The result I see him more as a potential solid 3 and D role player but at 16 I feel there is talent there that has a chance to be star player. I Don't see that same star potential in him as I do others at 16

[Hal14]

Someone else mentioned him 1st in this thread and I made the OJ Anoby comparison

The problem is hes a tweener..as in "between' the 16th and 45 pick.. After looking at him I believe he is too early to draft at 16 and definitely won't last so 45 so I stopped looking.

Just because he is projected to go lower doesn't mean you can't take him higher.

He's a 50-40-90 guy who's 6'9" with good athleticism, excellent defender, versatile defender who's only 20 years old...seems like the projections are underrating him..

Obviously if a team likes him they can draft them higher than what hes projected.The result I see him more as a potential solid 3 and D role player but at 16 I feel there is talent there that has a chance to be star player. I Don't see that same star potential in him as I do others at 16

I don't know about whether Murphy could be a star or a role player, but I'm seeing a guy with the defense of Langford combined with the shooting of Nesmith but then taking that player and making him 6'9" with a 7'1" wingspan. Needless to say, he's better than both Nesmith and Langford were at age 20 and we took them with the 14th pick. Our pick this year is 16th.

Not saying he's my top choice but I think he's one of the guys who should be on Stevens' radar..

[threrf23]

Murphy projects as a sharpshooter IMO, at the least. His shooting stats as a skinny 18 y/o freshman at Rice were as or more impressive than his 50/40/90 season at Virginia IMO. This is a case stats match his rep.

While it sounds like he can do enough elsewhere to be an elite-ish role player, a player with his length and athletic profile and star potential should be a much better rebounder, at the least. That said, he wasn't highly recruited out of HS (I presume) and appears to be on a positive trajectory.

As far as strengths, weaknesses, and impact is concerned, James Jones is my best stab at a comp.

[cloverleaf]

Read on Twitter

Trade up to get him? It's looking highly unlikely he will still be there at 16..

And oh by the way, Giddey posted a ridiculous 36.3% assist rate this past season (at age 18 playing in a professional league) on just a 19.5% usage rate. That's nuts. That's Chris Paul territory.

For context, this is what the top PGs posted this past season. Hint = the lower the usage and the higher the assist rate, the better..a good NBA PG should be at 25% assist rate or higher and their assist rate should be at least a few percentage points higher than their usage rate:

Player Usage % Assist %
Curry 34.80% 30.50%
Westbrook 30.20% 48.60%
Trae Young 33.00% 45.50%
Doncic 36.00% 44.10%
Conley 23.10% 30.60%
Lillard 31.40% 34.60%
Lowry 21.40% 31.80%
Morant 27.20% 33.50%
De'Aaron Fox 31% 32.70%
Lonzo Ball 20.50% 25.10%
Chris paul 22.60% 40.90%
Lamelo Ball 26.10% 33.90%
Malcolm Brogdon 25.90% 25.70%
Jru Holiday 22.20% 26.30%
Kemba Walker 26.10% 23.80%

Yeah, that Steph Curry is no good.

[Half-Full]

I think someone mentioned Trey Murphy before. I feel like most mocks don't have him going in the 1st round so I didn't check him out...till now.

Woah.

This guy is looking like a candidate for the most versatile/switchable defender in the draft. And he's 6'9", a good rim runner, can hit the 3 and take his man off the dribble...

Watch on YouTube

This guy seems really underrated. He was a 50-40-90 guy this past season at Virginia. 50.3% FG, an insane 92.7% FT and 43.3% from 3.

It's funny... NBAdraftnet doesn't have him on their board, not even as a second rounder, and CBSSports has him going at #19. There certainly is a lot to like about him, and it's likely he will be available when the Celtics pick. Again, this is a deep draft and it will be interesting to see who the Celtics go for. Trey Murphy does tick a lot of boxes. More information in the following scouting report. Words that caught my attention: good character, hard worker, coachable, good locker room presence, respected/liked by teammates.

https://advanceprobasketball.com/2021/01/14/trey-murphy/

[BK_2020]

Virginia guys have a good track record of overperforming. Brogdon, Harris, Hunter, and Ty Jerome all look solid. Kyle Guy sucks though.
Go Hoos!