Mark Cuban finally being exposed as the awful owner he is

[Frank Dux]

People really forget Mavs won a championship under his ownership? That's more success than most teams in the NBA. OP screams hater.

No excuse for the sexual harassment stuff though.

it seems unfair to give Cuban credit for Dirk’s carry job during the playoffs. that team had no business winning a title.

[Capn'O]

False start: This thread is one year too early .

school your clones.

[Capn'O]

Everyone falls off eventually.

[HMFFL]

I’ve always thought top level free agent don’t sign with the Mavs because they either don’t want to play for an out spoken team owner like Cuban or because Nowitzki was an older player. Now they have a young LeBron(ish) type player, if top level free agents still don’t want to come to Dallas then the problem is Cuban.

Drsymond mentioned this season one of the Mavericks most embarrassing moments, when they traded Harrison Barnes, but he was informed while the team was playing, and removed from the floor. Things like that don't sit well with a players union and they do get spoken about amongst players.



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[Pharmcat]

I’ve always thought top level free agent don’t sign with the Mavs because they either don’t want to play for an out spoken team owner like Cuban or because Nowitzki was an older player. Now they have a young LeBron(ish) type player, if top level free agents still don’t want to come to Dallas then the problem is Cuban.

Drsymond mentioned this season one of the Mavericks most embarrassing moments, when they traded Harrison Barnes, but he was informed while the team was playing, and removed from the floor. Things like that don't sit well with a players union and they do get spoken about amongst players.



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I thought the mavs told Barnes it could happen before the game and if he wanted to sit out but he said he wanted to play the game regardless?

[Johnny Bball]

Wtf. This is one bitter thread and is so full of **** it should just be locked. And calling haralobob a degenerate gambler is ignorant.

There isn't even any actual proof of all his supposed basketball betting millions. It's literally just him saying it, and people believing it.

So if you can't find it on the internet it doesn't exist? 100% he did and this is just stupid.

[KodiakBear]

Lol at threads like this. Is Mark Cuban a great owner? Probably not. They haven't been out of the first round in a decade. However they still regularly produce winning seasons and have been one of the most consistent franchises of the last 20 years with a title and several other great years.

If Mark Cuban is an awful owner, there are only about 5 owners in the league who aren't awful.

[JayMKE]

There are some awful owners in the NBA and Cuban isn't one of him, I do find his media personality annoying tho.

[Leslie Forman]

If Mark Cuban is an awful owner, there are only about 5 owners in the league who aren't awful.

Come on now, no need to exaggerate.

There might be a full six or seven.

[makubesu]

Everyone thought Cuban was an awful owner until the Mavs won it all. That bought him a lot of good will. But we’re circling back to what we knew all along. He’s a huge meddler.

And I’ll second the criticisms of him as a business man. But being a reality tv star with no filter and the perception of being worth paying attention you because they are rich is a proven formula (I’m not looking forward to future president Kim Kardashian).

But I’m also not sure how much of this drama is really Luca driven. Can you imagine if a young Lebron was on the Mavs? He would be criticized non stop.

[Edrees]

Cuban's biggest fault is his loyalty to certain players/coaches. It set the Mavs back a decade.

If the mavs weren't bad the years before drafting Doncic they wouldn't have been in a position to draft him and they'd probably be a treadmill team now.Drafting an all time great like Doncic is the best result the Mavs could have hoped out of the last decade.

You can only get so much credit for the Doncic get, given that another franchise ahead in the draft order very clearly should have taken him.

So...current Mavs roster...minus Doncic...plus Marvin Bagley. How are they doing?

It doesn't matter how they got him. The poster said the Mavs were set back 10 years, but that't not true, they aren't set back and actually have a top3 player for the next 10 years. Whether it was luck or not, the Mavs being "set back 10 years" has not happened.

[Galloisdaman]

If I’m a head coach or GM I’m staying the hell away from the Mavericks. The pressure to win is going to be immense. Will Cuban take a step back and empower his GM and coach to make the right decisions? I can see him pressuring a new GM to make some stupid moves like resigning Hardaway and trading more draft picks for a win now player.

Maybe. But flipside is you're working with Luka, who's looking like at least a Top 3 player in the next 10 years. Which coach/player does not want to play with type of player?

Only time will tell if Luka is a top 3 player. He does a lot well. He is a high usage player but his playoff FT shooting (65% 53%) 2 seasons in a row would preclude him from being top 3 if it does not improve.

[MoochieNorris]

remember when he let nash walk so he could pay erik dampier. lol @ cuban

[dhsilv2]

People really forget Mavs won a championship under his ownership? That's more success than most teams in the NBA. OP screams hater.

No excuse for the sexual harassment stuff though.

it seems unfair to give Cuban credit for Dirk’s carry job during the playoffs. that team had no business winning a title.

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Those are the mav's wins 2001-2011. When you're consistently that good, you'll have a shot at winning a title. Eventually you can "get lucky" but part of getting lucky is being in a place to get lucky year after year after year.

[TwitterFingers]

I can’t stand the guy. Became wealthy at the height of the dot com bubble by selling his company to yahoo in the worst acquisition in world history and then all of a sudden became a self proclaimed genius. There’s nothing he’s not an expert on. Business, politics, basketball, reffing…he knows it all. Just ask him.

[The_Hater]

Hmm. So it took about 25 years for the OP to have this moment of retribution against his arch nemesis, Mark Cuban.

Congrats?

[jpengland]

Not defending Cuban's most recent actions but Dallas has won the 2nd most games in the Association in his tenure and only has 3 bad seasons in 2 decades. There is a long list of absolutely incompetent owners before you get to old Cuban. He spent gobs of money. He hired good people and kept them in place forever. Was the first owner to embrace analytics, was the owner responsible for major upgrades for players--I mean before Mark Cuban players sat on old unpadded folding chairs on the bench. He took it in the shorts for the entire league and as much as everyone still complains about officiating he is directly responsible for the increased transparency and accountability around officiating.

Easy to take your shots today. I'm pissed at him today. But snake oil, and worst owner, and eXpOsEd? Nah.

This.
Mavericks have been a consistently good team and have a title and 2 finals appearances despite not landing a major free agent.

He's poured cash into the franchise, improved player welfare and the players have nothing but good to say about him

His biggest failure was loyalty to Dirk and trying to put out competitive teams around a broken Dirk which set back Dallas several years as assets were wasted. Ultimately that also landed Luka, but left the cupboard bare and KP was a calculated gamble due to an accelerated timeline with Doncic high level of play which hasn't paid off.

He's a great owner. He's made some mistakes. But let's not kid ourselves, Dallas were a mess before Cuban arrived and since then have been champions and consistently one of the best teams in the league

[Texas Chuck]

remember when he let nash walk so he could pay erik dampier. lol @ cuban

Remember when Dallas had the best 3 year stretch in franchise history immediately after this? LOL indeed.

[Danny1616]

Since Cuban took over the Mavericks in 2000.

Playoff appearances: 17
Conference semi-final appearances: 6
Conference finals appearances: 3
Finals appearances: 2
Championships: 1

In terms of success, he's been an excellent owner since purchasing the team in 2000.

You can't count on one hand (Lakers, Heat, Celtics, Spurs) more teams that have had a better/more consistent 20 year run than the Mavericks since Cuban took over.

[The_Hater]

remember when he let nash walk so he could pay erik dampier. lol @ cuban

Remember when Dallas had the best 3 year stretch in franchise history immediately after this? LOL indeed.

Some people only focus on the things gone wrong because the abundance of decisions and successes that happened in the other side of the ledger just don’t meet their narrative.

I don’t know how Cuban can be considered anything except a top 4-5 owner based on the last 25 years but there are also people who don’t think Lebron is one of the top players of all time either. Hate can be much more powerful than common sense.