Eliminated: WAS is out, knee-jerk trades & solutions

[Topofthekey]

They need better role players and depth pieces

Thomas Bryant should be the trade bait

Beal is a legit star, WB is worth more than whatever they can get for him in a trade

Rui is a decent third option, and their big man platoon is serviceable. Bertans is still a good shooter off the bench, and Avdija is a high ceiling project

Honestly, they've got the makings of a decent team

They just need better role players, like Kyle Anderson or Royce O'Neal, and some backcourt depth, like Reggie Bullock or Bryn Forbes. Throw in a few vets like Garrett Temple and Thad Young and I think they can give the top three teams in the east (Nets, Bucks, 6ers) more than a good fight

"Their big man platoon is serviceable" without Bryant? Who is this platoon other than Gafford?

Not sure if you watched them, but Len did a good job against Sabonis in the play in games

Lopez isn't good, but as a 3rd/4th string center he'll do

So as I said, Gafford, Len, Lopez makes for a serviceable big man platoon

[penbeast0]

Len and Lopez aren't under contract this year from what I've seen. They are UFA. If you want to resign them (or one of them) fine, but it's not a sure thing.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

[Dat2U]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

I would be very open to some sort of Westbrook package for Simmons.

[cl2117]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

I would be very open to some sort of Westbrook package for Simmons.

What'd be your max offer?

I have to think Simmons is on the move this summer, but they'll need to save face. Think a few more pieces on top of RWB/#15 could be enough under the circumstances.

[nate33]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

I would think Philly would be more interested in an established young forward rather than a mid round pick that takes time to develop. So make it Westbrook plus either Hachimura or Avdija for Simmons and Hill. (Likewise, the Wizards would rather keep the pick and offload a forward since they're getting back a forward.)

[gswhoops]

I kinda don’t hate the idea of Westbrook and Rui for Simmons + filler.

At least Philly wouldn’t have to worry about Westbrook losing confidence to shoot

[penbeast0]

Or, if Philly prefers, Westbrook, Hachimura, Bertrans, 1st rounder 2021 for Simmons and Tobias Harris. Bertrans gives the same thing Harris does but cheaper and will come off the bench behind Hachimura.

Washington resigns Neto, Ish Smith, and/or another small shooter , brings back one of Len or Rolo for 3rd center slot, and runs it with Beal, Simmons, Bryant, Gafford, Harris, with the option of going small with Ish/Raul/?. Avdija and Mathews come off the bench situationally assuming all goes well with Avdija possibly starting instead of Bryant if he has developed a consistent 3.

[Scoot McGroot]

If I couldn't extend Beal, I would quietly shop him.

And with that the case, it's not really worth posting Beal proposals. The Beal trade I would make would be the best offer available in terms of picks/prospects. No single trade can be evaluated independently.

Ideally, I'd try and trade Beal for a top 4 pick plus some other minor stuff. One mechanism for doing so might be to send Beal to Philly for Simmons and stuff, and then shop Simmons for a top 4 pick (with the logic being a team with a top 4 pick would prefer the younger, cheaper Simmons who has a contract that is locked up long term).

I have the assumption that if Washington deals Beal, it’ll only be after a real heart to heart with Bradley this offseason where both sides agree it’s the right thing to do (if it’s the right thing to do). After that, it’ll probably become public, but I doubt it would affect any sort of value Washington would get. I think it’d be amicable, and a clear short term bidding war. I don’t think you’d be able to keep it quiet, but I doubt you would have to.

If Beal is to be traded, he would be going to a team that a) has assets, and b) is going to believe they are a contender. Utah and PHX oddly enough already have elite 2-guards. Although I think the Hawks love being a young team (pun intended) I think they could be a good landing spot for Beal. NOP is not an elite destination, but Pelicans have loads of assets and would be able to send some combination of Hayes, Ingram, their picks, the Milwaukee haul.

How far off would something like Adams, Bledsoe, Jaxson Hayes, all the Mil picks, NOP 2021 pick for Beal and Bryant.

Bryant
Zion
Ingram
Beal
Ball

Wheels and deals could then continue, something like Ball sign and trade to Bulls for Satoransky, Young, Williams, 2 future firsts (well protected) Bulls can then fill out their roster with cap. NOP can swing those mostly EC's and Ingram for Lillard/RoCo. 2 bulls picks, 2 pelicans picks could be added.
Bryant
Zion
RoCo
Beal
Lillard

I would think that NO offer would not be considered for Washington. I’m not sure Washington would want to wait in hope that Milwaukee collapses and makes any of those picks remotely usable. Otherwise, I doubt that Jaxson Hayes and the 11 pick are “centerpiece” enough to net Beal. If I were them, I’d want one blue chip piece.

[nykballa2k4]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

I would be very open to some sort of Westbrook package for Simmons.

After watching last night, something like that looks correct.
I would add to it but adding an extra FRP to turn Hill into Curry

Bryant
Rui
Simmons
Beal
Curry

HC: Mark Jackson.

[Dat2U]

Hear me out…

Westbrook
#15

For

Simmons
Hill

I would be very open to some sort of Westbrook package for Simmons.

What'd be your max offer?

I have to think Simmons is on the move this summer, but they'll need to save face. Think a few more pieces on top of RWB/#15 could be enough under the circumstances.

Choice of Avdija or Hachimura along with the #15.

[Topofthekey]

Len and Lopez aren't under contract this year from what I've seen. They are UFA. If you want to resign them (or one of them) fine, but it's not a sure thing.

So re-sign them

I don't think there's going to be a bidding war for their services

[gambitx777]

Absolutly not! That is absolutely silly. The man can not play half the game he's being paid 30 mill to play. He's leagues worse than west brook imo. Hill isn't garunteed so cool sorry but the most I'm willing to do is a pick swap 15 for their first and second rounder this year and in 2023 and that's it. no way on earth do I give them a pick for this kid and deni or rui ? Out of yalls got dang minds.
Honestly
Westbrook
For Simmons, hill, 2021 second and a 2023 second.
That's all I'd offer and if they think they can get more else where let that other team over pay.

I would be very open to some sort of Westbrook package for Simmons.

What'd be your max offer?

I have to think Simmons is on the move this summer, but they'll need to save face. Think a few more pieces on top of RWB/#15 could be enough under the circumstances.

Choice of Avdija or Hachimura along with the #15.

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app

[penbeast0]

Absolutly not! That is absolutely silly. The man can not play half the game he's being paid 30 mill to play. He's leagues worse than west brook imo. Hill isn't garunteed so cool sorry but the most I'm willing to do is a pick swap 15 for their first and second rounder this year and in 2023 and that's it. no way on earth do I give them a pick for this kid and deni or rui ? Out of yalls got dang minds.
Honestly
Westbrook
For Simmons, hill, 2021 second and a 2023 second.
That's all I'd offer and if they think they can get more else where let that other team over pay.

What'd be your max offer?

I have to think Simmons is on the move this summer, but they'll need to save face. Think a few more pieces on top of RWB/#15 could be enough under the circumstances.

Choice of Avdija or Hachimura along with the #15.

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app

You are incorrect. Westbrook's age, defense, and low efficiency/high volume shooting make him considerably worse than Simmons even if Simmons averages less than 10 ppg. With a team built around Simmons, Beal, and a shooting big (Bryant/Bertrans/etc), he should shine. And if he lays an egg in the playoffs again, at least he will be enough better than we should probably be a legit playoff team rather than depending on the league gimmicking up a play-in round.

If we are rebuilding from scratch with a Beal deal, the age issue makes it even more of a good trade though everything the team says indicates they aren't considering that option seriously.

[LakersLegacy]

-2021 1st round draft pick
-2023 2nd round draft pick
-2024 2nd round draft pick
-2025 2nd round draft pick
-2026 2nd round draft pick
-2027 1st round draft pick
-2027 2nd round draft pick
-2028 pick swap
-Schroder 27 years old (former 6th man of the year)
-Harrell 27 years old (former 6th man of the year)
-Drummond 28 years old (4x rebound leader of NBA, 2x all-star, 1x allNBA team)
-Kuzma 25 years old (all the physical tools)
-KCP 28 years old (clutch shooter/defender)

For Dame OR Westbrook OR Simmons OR ???

[smooth_as_silk]

I feel lIke washington needs a big man who can defend the middle of the paint and score inside.

[nykballa2k4]

I have the assumption that if Washington deals Beal, it’ll only be after a real heart to heart with Bradley this offseason where both sides agree it’s the right thing to do (if it’s the right thing to do). After that, it’ll probably become public, but I doubt it would affect any sort of value Washington would get. I think it’d be amicable, and a clear short term bidding war. I don’t think you’d be able to keep it quiet, but I doubt you would have to.

If Beal is to be traded, he would be going to a team that a) has assets, and b) is going to believe they are a contender. Utah and PHX oddly enough already have elite 2-guards. Although I think the Hawks love being a young team (pun intended) I think they could be a good landing spot for Beal. NOP is not an elite destination, but Pelicans have loads of assets and would be able to send some combination of Hayes, Ingram, their picks, the Milwaukee haul.

How far off would something like Adams, Bledsoe, Jaxson Hayes, all the Mil picks, NOP 2021 pick for Beal and Bryant.

Bryant
Zion
Ingram
Beal
Ball

Wheels and deals could then continue, something like Ball sign and trade to Bulls for Satoransky, Young, Williams, 2 future firsts (well protected) Bulls can then fill out their roster with cap. NOP can swing those mostly EC's and Ingram for Lillard/RoCo. 2 bulls picks, 2 pelicans picks could be added.
Bryant
Zion
RoCo
Beal
Lillard

I would think that NO offer would not be considered for Washington. I’m not sure Washington would want to wait in hope that Milwaukee collapses and makes any of those picks remotely usable. Otherwise, I doubt that Jaxson Hayes and the 11 pick are “centerpiece” enough to net Beal. If I were them, I’d want one blue chip piece.

TBH the blue chip here is the MIL picks in 5 years when Middleton and Jrue are past prime and Giannis has left for LA.

I am not going to disagree with you though. No player has ever said "trade me to the Pelicans" and if Beal was on the trade block, I am sure push/shove Knicks would at least put Barrett on the block. Celtics probably would not offer Brown/Tatum, but anything else not boarded to the floor can go.

[Ruzious]

Absolutly not! That is absolutely silly. The man can not play half the game he's being paid 30 mill to play. He's leagues worse than west brook imo. Hill isn't garunteed so cool sorry but the most I'm willing to do is a pick swap 15 for their first and second rounder this year and in 2023 and that's it. no way on earth do I give them a pick for this kid and deni or rui ? Out of yalls got dang minds.
Honestly
Westbrook
For Simmons, hill, 2021 second and a 2023 second.
That's all I'd offer and if they think they can get more else where let that other team over pay.

What'd be your max offer?

I have to think Simmons is on the move this summer, but they'll need to save face. Think a few more pieces on top of RWB/#15 could be enough under the circumstances.

Choice of Avdija or Hachimura along with the #15.

Sent from my SM-G965U1 using RealGM mobile app

It's fine if you don't want Simmons, but to suggest a trade of Westbrook for Simmons, Hill, and 2 picks is being silly.

I concur with Nate's suggestion of Simmons and Hill for Westbrook and either Avdija or Hachimura.

[AingesBurner]

-2021 1st round draft pick
-2023 2nd round draft pick
-2024 2nd round draft pick
-2025 2nd round draft pick
-2026 2nd round draft pick
-2027 1st round draft pick
-2027 2nd round draft pick
-2028 pick swap
-Schroder 27 years old (former 6th man of the year)
-Harrell 27 years old (former 6th man of the year)
-Drummond 28 years old (4x rebound leader of NBA, 2x all-star, 1x allNBA team)
-Kuzma 25 years old (all the physical tools)
-KCP 28 years old (clutch shooter/defender)

For Dame OR Westbrook OR Simmons OR ???

That not getting you anything but a solid role player.

[AingesBurner]

Maybe its time Washington looks at trading Beal and start rebuilding. Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Williams, and picks for Beal?