Alperen Şengün

[Charm]

Love this guy on the Pels

Seems just about the worst pairing I can imagine. The spacing would be atrocious as would the defense.

Didn’t you say he was the best shooting big in the draft a little while ago?

[Dn4sty]

I’m super high on Sengun, but a Zion/Sengun front court is not the way for the Pelicans to go

[Alonzo_Morning]

Him and Zion next to each could be really fun to watch as they both grow, develop together.

3 years from now that could be scary duo with Zion at the 4 and Sengun at the 5...plus Ingram at the 3..

We'll be trading the pick anyway unless we hella move up

No way you guys should trade the pick. Are you kidding me? You're slated to pick around no. 10. That could be. serious stud, who could be 3rd piece you build around along Zion and Ingram (and possibly Ball if you resign him)

I like Sengun in that spot, or if you don't think you'll resign Ball, go for Giddey. Giddey is a really good passer could really make life easier for Zion and Ingram..

Zion wants to win now, we're not taking on another 19 year old. Plus we need shooters. The pick is gone

[EvanZ]

Love this guy on the Pels

Seems just about the worst pairing I can imagine. The spacing would be atrocious as would the defense.

Didn’t you say he was the best shooting big in the draft a little while ago?

I don't remember saying that although he probably does have a chance to be the best shooting big in this class, because look at the competition. But it's unlikely that he's going to shoot right away. If Zion wants to start winning soon, it's a bad idea.

[Charm]

Seems just about the worst pairing I can imagine. The spacing would be atrocious as would the defense.

Didn’t you say he was the best shooting big in the draft a little while ago?

I don't remember saying that although he probably does have a chance to be the best shooting big in this class, because look at the competition. But it's unlikely that he's going to shoot right away. If Zion wants to start winning soon, it's a bad idea.

Yeah, the timeline is an issue, I was just thinking if you’re looking at Sengun’s ceiling as something like Dario Saric+, that kind of of player would be a great fit with Zion, at least aside from potential rim protection issues.

[Clawed]

Sengun seems to have a body somewhere between Joakim Noah and Al Horford in terms of dimensions and both of them were excellent defenders. I know block and steal rate isn't the end all or be all but I am surprised people are ignoring it this much in Alperen's case considering how great he is in both aspects, especially considering he is so young. People say he is a great metrics guy but talk mostly about his rebounding and scoring but he is just as great in assists/steals/blocks for his position.

[EvanZ]

Sengun seems to have a body somewhere between Joakim Noah and Al Horford in terms of dimensions and both of them were excellent defenders.

You can't say this without also pointing out both of them were exceptional athletes in their younger days. Sengun isn't at their level athletically.

[Mirotic12]

Sengun seems to have a body somewhere between Joakim Noah and Al Horford in terms of dimensions and both of them were excellent defenders.

You can't say this without also pointing out both of them were exceptional athletes in their younger days. Sengun isn't at their level athletically.

Except that neither one of them was ever an exceptional athlete.

[nolang1]

Sengun seems to have a body somewhere between Joakim Noah and Al Horford in terms of dimensions and both of them were excellent defenders.

You can't say this without also pointing out both of them were exceptional athletes in their younger days. Sengun isn't at their level athletically.

Except that neither one of them was ever an exceptional athlete.

Yeah that would really be stretching the definition of exceptional. Noah was more smart with a super high motor and Horford as a prospect/player was like A- across the board with no outlier strengths or glaring weaknesses. If Noah had been considered an exceptional athlete in conjunction with the numbers he put up leading Florida to the title as a sophomore, he would've left as a unanimous #1 pick billed as a generational type of big man prospect.

[EvanZ]

You can't say this without also pointing out both of them were exceptional athletes in their younger days. Sengun isn't at their level athletically.

Except that neither one of them was ever an exceptional athlete.

Yeah that would really be stretching the definition of exceptional. Noah was more smart with a super high motor and Horford as a prospect/player was like A- across the board with no outlier strengths or glaring weaknesses. If Noah had been considered an exceptional athlete in conjunction with the numbers he put up leading Florida to the title as a sophomore, he would've left as a unanimous #1 pick billed as a generational type of big man prospect.

LMAO. Sure, sure, sure. In the year that had Oden and Durant.

[nolang1]

Except that neither one of them was ever an exceptional athlete.

Yeah that would really be stretching the definition of exceptional. Noah was more smart with a super high motor and Horford as a prospect/player was like A- across the board with no outlier strengths or glaring weaknesses. If Noah had been considered an exceptional athlete in conjunction with the numbers he put up leading Florida to the title as a sophomore, he would've left as a unanimous #1 pick billed as a generational type of big man prospect.

LMAO. Sure, sure, sure. In the year that had Oden and Durant.

Learn to read . His sophomore season was 2006, when Bargnani was drafted #1.

[EvanZ]

Yeah that would really be stretching the definition of exceptional. Noah was more smart with a super high motor and Horford as a prospect/player was like A- across the board with no outlier strengths or glaring weaknesses. If Noah had been considered an exceptional athlete in conjunction with the numbers he put up leading Florida to the title as a sophomore, he would've left as a unanimous #1 pick billed as a generational type of big man prospect.

LMAO. Sure, sure, sure. In the year that had Oden and Durant.

Learn to read . His sophomore season was 2006, when Bargnani was drafted #1.

I read it. Where in there did you mention the 2006 Draft?

[EvanZ]

Even if one doesn't think Noah and Horford are "exceptional" athletes (fine, we can argue degree), it's clear to me they are significantly better athletes than Sengun. If you think they are all in the same tier athletically you're making a big mistake.

[Charm]

[Hal14]

Even if one doesn't think Noah and Horford are "exceptional" athletes (fine, we can argue degree), it's clear to me they are significantly better athletes than Sengun. If you think they are all in the same tier athletically you're making a big mistake.

what could horford/noah do at age 18 in terms of athleticism that Sengun can't?

A 6'10" big man who is throwing down 360 dunks in transition, throwing down dunks in the half court from just inside the FT line, showing good burst on chase-down blocks and hitting step-back 3's, all at age 18 playing in a professional league vs grown men sounds like pretty good athleticism to me.

[EvanZ]

Even if one doesn't think Noah and Horford are "exceptional" athletes (fine, we can argue degree), it's clear to me they are significantly better athletes than Sengun. If you think they are all in the same tier athletically you're making a big mistake.

what could horford/noah do at age 18 in terms of athleticism that Sengun can't?

A 6'10" big man who is throwing down 360 dunks in transition, throwing down dunks in the half court from just inside the FT line, showing good burst on chase-down blocks and hitting step-back 3's, all at age 18 playing in a professional league vs grown men sounds like pretty good athleticism to me.

Move laterally? I mean you guys think athleticism is literally one-dimensional.

[EvanZ]

Excuse me, what is the strawman here?

[nolang1]

LMAO. Sure, sure, sure. In the year that had Oden and Durant.

Learn to read . His sophomore season was 2006, when Bargnani was drafted #1.

I read it. Where in there did you mention the 2006 Draft?

Hope this makes it even more clear (if not, go back and read it again):

Joakim Noah was a sophomore in 2005-06. He was the best player on Florida, the team that won the NCAA championship that year (they also won the NCAA championship the following year, so they won it in back-to-back years). He put up great, efficient numbers across the board. If he had exceptional physical attributes on top of that, everyone would've been talking about how he was one of the best prospects to come into the draft in the past several years. He would've been considered the unanimous #1 pick in the weak 2006 NBA draft and a franchise changing-talent, at which point he would've had absolutely zero incentive to remain in college and even his teammates and coaches would've been forcing him to go pro. Instead, because he in fact wasn't a super explosive athlete and had dimensions similar to Sengun's, questions persisted about how his game would translate to the NBA and whether he was a power forward or center, so he elected to return to school.

[EvanZ]

Learn to read . His sophomore season was 2006, when Bargnani was drafted #1.

I read it. Where in there did you mention the 2006 Draft?

Hope this makes it even more clear (if not, go back and read it again):

Joakim Noah was a sophomore in 2005-06. He was the best player on Florida, the team that won the NCAA championship that year (they also won the NCAA championship the following year, so they won it in back-to-back years). He put up great, efficient numbers across the board. If he had exceptional physical attributes on top of that, everyone would've been talking about how he was one of the best prospects to come into the draft in the past several years. He would've been considered the unanimous #1 pick in the weak 2006 NBA draft and a franchise changing-talent, at which point he would've had absolutely zero incentive to remain in college and even his teammates and coaches would've been forcing him to go pro. Instead, because he in fact wasn't a super explosive athlete and had dimensions similar to Sengun's, questions persisted about how his game would translate to the NBA and whether he was a power forward or center, so he elected to return to school.

This is called begging the question. Look it up.

It's actually much more likely he wasn't seen as a top prospect so early because he was undersized for a typical center. Remember, this was 2006. Same for Horford. Back then the question all the time was about "tweeners". Both Noah and Horford were prototypical tweeners for that era. Had nothing to do with not being athletic.

[Charm]

Excuse me, what is the strawman here?

That'd be you arguing about the hypothetical draft position of a more-athletic Joakim Noah, because you (deliberately or not) got confused about what year Noah's sophomore season was.

A few pages ago I misinterpreted someone's post and they pointed it out. Instead of doubling down on my misinterpretation I responded:

Oh, no, you were clear, I was just reading too fast and misinterpreted you *facepalm*

What's so hard about that?