Mavs Offseason - 21/22 - what do we do from here?

JD45 · Post #401 » by **JD45** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:47 pm

fuller4379 wrote:Ben Simmons can’t even dunk against Trae Young. Maybe he thought it was Hakeem standing in front of him.

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The way Simmons played last night, night, he isn't worth expiring contracts.

But he is better than that. And needs a different scheme and collection of players around him.

mabundo_nagumbe · Post #402 » by **mabundo_nagumbe** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:55 pm

Having Simmons would bring death to our offense. Maybe KP was whack this PO series, but he at least streched the floor and provided some rim protection. At 25, i really doubt Simmons is ever going to get comfortable with shooting the ball. However, a change of scenery, new coaches, teammates and perhaps less pressure could do him good. Does anyone know a player that RADICALLY changed his shooting game after 25?

arkuo · Post #403 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:04 pm

Philly fans will tear him to shreds. He's out of there.

Post #404 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:09 pm

mabundo_nagumbe wrote:Having Simmons would bring death to our offense. Maybe KP was whack this PO series, but he at least streched the floor and provided some rim protection. At 25, i really doubt Simmons is ever going to get comfortable with shooting the ball. However, a change of scenery, new coaches, teammates and perhaps less pressure could do him good. Does anyone know a player that RADICALLY changed his shooting game after 25?

Brook Lopez, but I wouldn't count on Simmons becoming a good 3pt shooter, he's very good at other things, he is overpaid, but he is VERY impactful player.

JJP · Post #405 » by **JJP** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:56 pm

So impactful that with Simmons as a Maverick, opponents can sag off of him to double-team Luca

arkuo · Post #406 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:16 pm

JJP wrote:So impactful that with Simmons as a Maverick, opponents can sag off of him to double-team Luca

So Simmons runs to the rim with a lob from Luka if Luka is double teamed. This is how Powell gets his numbers right? What difference would it be if Simmons were to play PF instead of Powell? Powell doesnt shoot threes either.

Bringing him in Dallas doesnt mean using him the same way as Philly. That doesn't work. Instead of being the primary ball handler, he needs to roll to the rim more like what Giannis would do while Luka has the ball. If he is met at the rim by the opposing center, he kicks it out to Porzingis who should be open then. Which is how Brook Lopez gets his shots too. Its a very similar system. Use him as a Giannis-lite instead if a Shaun Livingston tall point guard type which Doc Rivers has been doing all playoffs with zero adjustments. And also because that team doesn't have a real point guard.

fuller4379 · Post #407 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:00 pm

arkuo wrote:
JJP wrote:So impactful that with Simmons as a Maverick, opponents can sag off of him to double-team Luca

So Simmons runs to the rim with a lob from Luka if Luka is double teamed.

...then Simmons passes back to a double-teamed Luka as he decides to not dunk the ball. :lol:

arkuo · Post #408 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:02 pm

Here's an idea.

Two sign and trades.

Brooklyn sign and trades Dinwiddie to Dallas to get some value rather than let him walk.
Dallas sends THJ to BKN because they lost all their shooting when Joe Harris laid an egg.
Sixers gets Dinwiddie + Kleber + Brunson to finally get a point guard. Averages 6 assists per game. There's your PG.
Dallas gets Simmons. Pairs with Luka and KP.

JJP · Post #409 » by **JJP** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:10 pm

fuller4379 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
JJP wrote:So impactful that with Simmons as a Maverick, opponents can sag off of him to double-team Luca

So Simmons runs to the rim with a lob from Luka if Luka is double teamed.

...then Simmons passes back to a double-teamed Luka as he decides to not dunk the ball.

Ha. At this point, that's true.

But even if we skipped player skills or fixing a broken player (which no one seems concerned about), there's the simple fact that Dallas has no set of players that Philadelphia covets. Do you think they want a bunch of rotation players for him? Phillie is going to be looking for a significant player, not a set of no-names that match the salary.

arkuo · Post #410 » by **arkuo** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:11 pm

JJP wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
arkuo wrote:
So Simmons runs to the rim with a lob from Luka if Luka is double teamed.

...then Simmons passes back to a double-teamed Luka as he decides to not dunk the ball.

Ha. At this point, that's true.

But even if we skipped player skills or fixing a broken player (which no one seems concerned about), there's the simple fact that Dallas has no set of players that Philadelphia covets. Do you think they want a bunch of rotation players for him? Phillie is going to be looking for a significant player, not a set of no-names that match the salary.

That's exactly why I said that if it only costs you THJ and Kleber, you do that trade each and every time. :lol:

Because THJ wont get you anything in the open market.

JJP · Post #411 » by **JJP** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:18 pm

arkuo wrote:
JJP wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
...then Simmons passes back to a double-teamed Luka as he decides to not dunk the ball.

Ha. At this point, that's true.

But even if we skipped player skills or fixing a broken player (which no one seems concerned about), there's the simple fact that Dallas has no set of players that Philadelphia covets. Do you think they want a bunch of rotation players for him? Phillie is going to be looking for a significant player, not a set of no-names that match the salary.

That's exactly why I said that if it only costs you THJ and Kleber, you do that trade each and every time.

Because THJ wont get you anything in the open market.

Why would Phillie (or anyone) trade for THJ when he's going to be a free agent in a matter of days?

JD45 · Post #412 » by **JD45** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:42 pm

JJP wrote:
Why would Phillie (or anyone) trade for THJ when he's going to be a free agent in a matter of days?

Philly is $37 mil over the salary cap. No chance they can sign THJ in free agency without a sign and trade.

fuller4379 · Post #413 » by **fuller4379** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:50 pm

JD45 wrote:
JJP wrote:
Why would Phillie (or anyone) trade for THJ when he's going to be a free agent in a matter of days?

Philly is $37 mil over the salary cap. No chance they can sign THJ in free agency without a sign and trade.

Is THJ going to command above the MLE? He can't play defense and is a very inconsistent shooter. Sure, he was pivotal in the Mavericks wins in games 1 and 2 against LA, but then he lost it for most of the rest of the series.

Post #414 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:52 pm

fuller4379 wrote:
JD45 wrote:
JJP wrote:
Why would Phillie (or anyone) trade for THJ when he's going to be a free agent in a matter of days?

Philly is $37 mil over the salary cap. No chance they can sign THJ in free agency without a sign and trade.

Is THJ going to command above the MLE? He can't play defense and is a very inconsistent shooter. Sure, he was pivotal in the Mavericks wins in games 1 and 2 against LA, but then he lost it for most of the rest of the series.

Look at what Joe Harris, Buddy Hield or Bogdan Bogdanovitch are making, he'll get 60 easily, probably more.

Post #415 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:58 pm

Brunson to NYK for DAL 23' 1st round pick.
THJ, Powell, 22,24,26 1st rd pick + 23,25 swap for Simmons.
Philly won't do it, they have no use of near late picks and far gamble picks, but one would hope...

41Dirk41 · Post #416 » by **41Dirk41** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:04 pm

KhalilS wrote:
fuller4379 wrote:
JD45 wrote:
Philly is $37 mil over the salary cap. No chance they can sign THJ in free agency without a sign and trade.

Is THJ going to command above the MLE? He can't play defense and is a very inconsistent shooter. Sure, he was pivotal in the Mavericks wins in games 1 and 2 against LA, but then he lost it for most of the rest of the series.

Look at what Joe Harris, Buddy Hield or Bogdan Bogdanovitch are making, he'll get 60 easily, probably more.

Bogdan Bogdanovic is a hell of a player, not compare him to other who are only shooters.

Anyway i prefer Hield than THJ, S&T would good for all.

Post #417 » by **Mavrelous** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:22 pm

Bogdan isn't translating his other abilities that much in ATL, he's mostly a shooter there, I also prefer trading for Hield than signing THJ.

JJP · Post #418 » by **JJP** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:18 pm

A new GM and coach could likely go almost anywhere. As a fan base, we should probably be ready for the unexpected. They will likely want to make a mark this FA season.

Mr B · Post #419 » by **Mr B** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:19 pm

JJP wrote:A new GM and coach could likely go almost anywhere. As a fan base, we should probably be ready for the unexpected. They will likely want to make a mark this FA season.

That’s exactly what I’m thinking. Especially if Masai is the guy they hire. I think we will see some drastic changes. I would not be surprised if they release THJ’s cap hold making him UFA and I expect that they’ll trade JRich if he opts in. Then decline their option on any that are due like Boban. Maximize their cap space and let the new GM rebuild the team around Luka.

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arkuo · Post #420 » by **arkuo** » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:46 pm

If Dallas had interest in Oubre for KP back then, then the interest is definitely there. Maybe they sign him to start at SF before re-signing THJ to go over the cap. Holmes for the full MLE and we're done. Simple minor tweaks to the roster. But would that get Dallas over the hump?

C- Porzingis / Powell
PF- Holmes / Kleber
SF- Oubre / DFS
SG- THJ / Green
PG- Doncic / Brunson

Would that be enough to go against UTA, PHX, LAL, LAC, DEN and POR?