2020-21 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #681 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:18 pm

Pascal for 5 and Mo Bamba wouldn’t be bad either. Kuminga seems like a Masai guy and even if he doesn’t hit his absolute ceiling I believe our development staff can make Kuminga great. Awesome pairing with Suggs as well and OG can move down to the 4

Bruin · Post #682 » by **Bruin** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:36 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Pascal for 5 and Mo Bamba wouldn’t be bad either. Kuminga seems like a Masai guy and even if he doesn’t hit his absolute ceiling I believe our development staff can make Kuminga great. Awesome pairing with Suggs as well and OG can move down to the 4

Wouldn’t mind this. Although I’d try for WCJ instead of Mo Bamba. Either would be fine

Don’t really see Orlando wanting such a move given their timeline though

Phezmo123 · Post #683 » by **Phezmo123** » Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:40 pm

UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Pascal for 5 and Mo Bamba wouldn’t be bad either. Kuminga seems like a Masai guy and even if he doesn’t hit his absolute ceiling I believe our development staff can make Kuminga great. Awesome pairing with Suggs as well and OG can move down to the 4

If we're making this move, then we might as well trade FVV while we're at it and start the rebuilding process.

I think our goal is still to re-tool.

hyper316 · Post #684 » by **hyper316** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:57 am

If raps don't re-sign Lowry, gotta give Bobby Portis a look for starting C

6'-10", 7'-2" ws, only 26 years old

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #685 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:22 am

hyper316 wrote:If raps don't re-sign Lowry, gotta give Bobby Portis a look for starting C

6'-10", 7'-2" ws, only 26 years old

I think there is enough game evidence to see he isn’t a starting 5. I’d rather keep Birch or go after Noel. We still could draft a big in the second round or if we do S&T Lowry then we probably get a late first to use towards that too

UnbelievablyRAW · Post #686 » by **UnbelievablyRAW** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:23 am

PrinceAli wrote:
UnbelievablyRAW wrote:Pascal for 5 and Mo Bamba wouldn’t be bad either. Kuminga seems like a Masai guy and even if he doesn’t hit his absolute ceiling I believe our development staff can make Kuminga great. Awesome pairing with Suggs as well and OG can move down to the 4

Wouldn’t mind this. Although I’d try for WCJ instead of Mo Bamba. Either would be fine

Don’t really see Orlando wanting such a move given their timeline though

I think they would probably want to keep Wendell who had played much better since the trade. No would be a reclamation project for us but the main draw is Kuminga

Dyehardrapsfan · Post #687 » by **Dyehardrapsfan** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:23 am

If we can draft replacement for Lowry then use his salary to make a run for a legit center ?

John colllins
Ric Holmes
Jarred Allen

Do we have a chance at getting a center , if we had to overpay?

Jwubbg · Post #688 » by **Jwubbg** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:26 am

Love and 3rd overall for Siakam?

DreamTeam09 · Post #689 » by **DreamTeam09** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:37 am

Dyehardrapsfan wrote:If we can draft replacement for Lowry then use his salary to make a run for a legit center ?

John colllins
Ric Holmes
Jarred Allen

Do we have a chance at getting a center , if we had to overpay?

Holmes is definitely the easiest being a UFA and not a RFA like the other 2
Should be in the 16-20mill range while the other two are in the 20+ range

NotMyKawhi · Post #690 » by **NotMyKawhi** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:40 am

Jwubbg wrote:Love and 3rd overall for Siakam?

yes please

tecumseh18 · Post #691 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:53 pm

DreamTeam09 wrote:
Dyehardrapsfan wrote:If we can draft replacement for Lowry then use his salary to make a run for a legit center ?

John colllins
Ric Holmes
Jarred Allen

Do we have a chance at getting a center , if we had to overpay?

Holmes is definitely the easiest being a UFA and not a RFA like the other 2
Should be in the 16-20mill range while the other two are in the 20+ range

Is there the slightest chance that Collins would be available after this playoffs run. I think Hawks would match any offer. Also, he's doing this mainly as a PF with Capela at C. But, Raps need a legit C.

Allen may be available for 18-20 mill if Cavs choose Mobley. Expensive centres aren't easy to trade anymore, so why would the Cavs throw all that money at Allen?

As you say, Holmes as a UFA shouldn't be too hard to get for hopefully under 18 mill. Kings are capped out ( :lol:

) and don't have his Bird rights. Knicks will probably resign Noel for cheap. Mavs don't need a C. Heat have Bam. I'd prefer a 3-point shooter, but again, Capela seems to be all a winning team needs. But the PF (Siakam) would have to be able to hit those outside shots.

Post #692 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:59 pm

Dyehardrapsfan wrote:If we can draft replacement for Lowry then use his salary to make a run for a legit center ?

John colllins
Ric Holmes
Jarred Allen

Do we have a chance at getting a center , if we had to overpay?

Moving up to 4th eats around 2-3m of our potential cap space
So we would have around 17m - 18m is to spend assuming we keep Watson, Bembry and Boucher and walk away from the holds and options of Baynes, Hood, and Lowry.

I think Collins and Allen likely get day one offers from their home clubs that are more than that.

If you trade Boucher on draft day for a pick and straight salary relief you get 23-24m in space.
Holmes is an odd cat, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 4/48 or 4/80 the range is so out there.

Either way, I expect the Kings to move mountains to keep him.
Holmes is going to be 28 next season and has played a four year rookie deal that paid him less than 6m total and is coming off a two year deal that paid him less than 10m total. He is going to whomever pays the most.

tecumseh18 · Post #693 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:24 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:Holmes is an odd cat, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 4/48 or 4/80 the range is so out there.

Either way, I expect the Kings to move mountains to keep him.
Holmes is going to be 28 next season and has played a four year rookie deal that paid him less than 6m total and is coming off a two year deal that paid him less than 10m total. He is going to whomever pays the most.

Which can't possibly be the Kings, because they don't hold his full Bird rights and don't have cap space. Unless they somehow unload Hield and draft capital for no returning salary. Sorta like what the Raps did with Vasquez (oh wait, the picks came back to us!). Maybe OKC would help them with that.

Post #694 » by **Morris_Shatford** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:27 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Holmes is an odd cat, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 4/48 or 4/80 the range is so out there.

Either way, I expect the Kings to move mountains to keep him.
Holmes is going to be 28 next season and has played a four year rookie deal that paid him less than 6m total and is coming off a two year deal that paid him less than 10m total. He is going to whomever pays the most.

Which can't possibly be the Kings, because they don't hold his full Bird rights and don't have cap space. Unless they somehow unload Hield and draft capital for no returning salary. Sorta like what the Raps did with Vasquez (oh wait, the picks came back to us!). Maybe OKC would help them with that.

I suspect that Bagley is likely the guy who can be shipped out;
However I could see them moving Barnes or Wright as well.

Holmes was basically their mascot last season, the hardest working guy on the floor.
They should move mountains to try and keep him the issue as you said is the early bird rights and needing 15 - 20m of pure cap space.

Clutch0z24 · Post #695 » by **Clutch0z24** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:23 pm

If GSW Came to you with a deal of #7 #14 Wiggins and Wiseman for Pascal do you guys hang up or take the deal? ....

I would be intrigued at this atm we grab a C Who has potential, Wiggins as a hometown kid and a good defender, And have 5 draft picks in this deep draft where you can grab guys to fill out the team....Would make us really young but really exciting to see...

But giving up on Siakam would also be hard cause of the things he accomplished here at such a young age...Would be a tough one

Saciid11 · Post #696 » by **Saciid11** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:29 pm

Clutch0z24 wrote:If GSW Came to you with a deal of #7 #14 Wiggins and Wiseman for Pascal do you guys hang up or take the deal? ....

I would be intrigued at this atm we grab a C Who has potential, Wiggins as a hometown kid and a good defender, And have 5 draft picks in this deep draft where you can grab guys to fill out the team....Would make us really young but really exciting to see...

But giving up on Siakam would also be hard cause of the things he accomplished here at such a young age...Would be a tough one

In a heartbeat ... Pascal is good, but that is the value you trade for someone like Lillard. I think Wiseman +7 is enough for Pascal ...

tecumseh18 · Post #697 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:37 pm

Morris_Shatford wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Morris_Shatford wrote:Holmes is an odd cat, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 4/48 or 4/80 the range is so out there.

Either way, I expect the Kings to move mountains to keep him.
Holmes is going to be 28 next season and has played a four year rookie deal that paid him less than 6m total and is coming off a two year deal that paid him less than 10m total. He is going to whomever pays the most.

Which can't possibly be the Kings, because they don't hold his full Bird rights and don't have cap space. Unless they somehow unload Hield and draft capital for no returning salary. Sorta like what the Raps did with Vasquez (oh wait, the picks came back to us!). Maybe OKC would help them with that.

I suspect that Bagley is likely the guy who can be shipped out;
However I could see them moving Barnes or Wright as well.

Holmes was basically their mascot last season, the hardest working guy on the floor.
They should move mountains to try and keep him the issue as you said is the early bird rights and needing 15 - 20m of pure cap space.

Bagley's 9 mill salary might be easier to unload on a cap space team. But would that team take him for free? Looking at their cap sheet, Kings could cobble together another 6 or so million, by letting guys like TDII walk.

Maybe the Knicks or Mavs would use their cap space to take on Barnes. OK, it's possible. And I'm not enough of a fan of Holmes' game (and how it would mesh with Pascal's game) to worry about it much. I just want Kelly O or Bobby Portis for an MLE type salary.

tecumseh18 · Post #698 » by **tecumseh18** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:44 pm

Saciid11 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:If GSW Came to you with a deal of #7 #14 Wiggins and Wiseman for Pascal do you guys hang up or take the deal? ....

I would be intrigued at this atm we grab a C Who has potential, Wiggins as a hometown kid and a good defender, And have 5 draft picks in this deep draft where you can grab guys to fill out the team....Would make us really young but really exciting to see...

But giving up on Siakam would also be hard cause of the things he accomplished here at such a young age...Would be a tough one

In a heartbeat ... Pascal is good, but that is the value you trade for someone like Lillard. I think Wiseman +7 is enough for Pascal ...

Wiseman (probable bust) and Moody is good enough for Pascal? No way.

Pascal's not being traded with his injury. But if GSW had been able to secure the #4 spot, I'd have really been interested for #4 + 14 + Wiseman and Wiggins. Wiggins with his a contract is a negative asset, and Wiseman has not been impressive, so Warriors would REALLY have to compensate us in draft capital. Also, by getting rid of Wiseman, they'd drastically reduce their tax bill for this season.

But it all comes down to what Masai/Dan think about Moody or Kai Jones or Jalen Johnson. Or ...

Spoiler:

Clutch0z24 · Post #699 » by **Clutch0z24** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:51 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
Clutch0z24 wrote:If GSW Came to you with a deal of #7 #14 Wiggins and Wiseman for Pascal do you guys hang up or take the deal? ....

I would be intrigued at this atm we grab a C Who has potential, Wiggins as a hometown kid and a good defender, And have 5 draft picks in this deep draft where you can grab guys to fill out the team....Would make us really young but really exciting to see...

But giving up on Siakam would also be hard cause of the things he accomplished here at such a young age...Would be a tough one

In a heartbeat ... Pascal is good, but that is the value you trade for someone like Lillard. I think Wiseman +7 is enough for Pascal ...

Wiseman (probable bust) and Moody is good enough for Pascal? No way.

Pascal's not being traded with his injury. But if GSW had been able to secure the #4 spot, I'd have really been interested for #4 + 14 + Wiseman and Wiggins. Wiggins with his a contract is a negative asset, and Wiseman has not been impressive, so Warriors would REALLY have to compensate us in draft capital. Also, by getting rid of Wiseman, they'd drastically reduce their tax bill for this season.

But it all comes down to what Masai/Dan think about Moody or Kai Jones or Jalen Johnson. Or ...

Spoiler:
Davion Mitchell or Sengun *cringe*

I would have have alot of hesitation trading Siakam but for Wiggins/Wiseman and 2 lottery picks at 7-14 i would be listening cause it would make us alot more of a deeper team adding players and then having 5 picks in this draft it would interest me but still yeah i would be hesitant

Bruin · Post #700 » by **Bruin** » Thu Jun 24, 2021 5:03 pm

I really would love to see us somehow come away with Allen. Even if it took Fred (although very unlikely we traded him)

Suggs
Trent
OG
Pascal
Allen

Would be a great young team to build with

If not using Fred, maybe some other kind of agreement like sending a pick to have the Cavs not match an offer sheet

Fred
Suggs
OG
Pascal
Allen