Mark Cuban finally being exposed as the awful owner he is

[Rebel INS]

I haven't followed the Mavs closely enough to know what Cuban's actual level of involvement in day to day operations is, but I do think there's always going to be inherent downsides to having a hyper-hands on owner who is basically the 'face of the franchise' (at least on the front office/management side of things)

There are benefits too, and ultimately you always take a guy passionate and invested in the success of the team over the apathetic cheapskate. But there's always the risk of that passion eventually leading a guy to overstep his actual expertise, and taking control away from the basketball guys who should be making the big basketball decisions. Especially if he's confident off the strength of past glories and believes he's the one most responsible for them

Jerry Jones comes to mind

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This was the Mavs Record in the 7 years after letting Steve Nash walk:
2004-05: 58-24
2005-06: 60-22
2006-07: 67-15
2007-08: 51-31
2008-09: 50-32
2009-10: 55-27
2010-11: 57-25*

*Denotes NBA Champion.


Yeah that NBA title sure did suck.

How many titles did Steve Nash win after the Mavs made the "monumental" mistake of letting him leave?

Mark Cuban's team won the Western Conference twice without Nash....while Nash never won the Western Conference.

Yet Mark Cuban has been a horrible owner in all those years. Mavs won despite Cuban not because of Cuban. Any other owner would have had multiple rings with Dirk. Dude let Nash leave who ended up having two MVPs after Mavs' career. He paired Dirk's peak with dudes like Dampier, Lafrentz, Anthony frigging Walker. He refused to pay Tyson Chandler after championship who ended up winning defensive player of the year after leaving. He now paired Luka with the next Lafrentz dooming Luka's career as well.

Claiming Cuban to be a good owner is like claiming Dan Gilbert is a great owner. Gilbert had five NBA finals plus championship. Hence by your logic, he is one of the best owners in the entire league.

This is the stupidest crap I've read on this board. The Mavs got (much) better after Nash left and they upgraded their defense and athleticism.

I noticed you did not answer my questions at all. What other NBA franchises have averaged 56 wins/year over a more than 5 year stretch?

How would Nash have multiple rings with the Mavs when nothing in his career has ever shown him capable of winning a title....much less making the Finals?

I respect Mark Cuban because I'm old enough to remember what the Mavs were before he owned the team.....and that was with an owner that did not care at all about the fans or winning.

Part of what made Cuban such a celebrity was that the Mavs went from being the worst franchise in Pro Sports to one of the elite NBA franchises winning 50 games in Cuban's first 11 full seasons culminating in the 2011 NBA title.

This thread is funny....the Mark Cuban haters are out in full force because the 21 Mavericks had such a horrible season as the 5th seed in the playoffs with one of the best young players in the entire NBA.

Reading this thread I would think the Mavs were a lottery team each season.

What other franchise had Dirk for 20 years and could only get two finals appearance and only one ring? Are you saying Dirk is not one of the greatest of all time? Or are you saying Dan Gilbert is one of the best owners of all time? You can't have both.

Cuban is an idiot who wasted a good chunk of Dirk's career thinking he is the smartest dude in the room. Yet the only reason he won a lot of regular season games was because he got lucky to have Dirk. And give him credit that he was willing to spend money for most of the time. Other than that, he is up there as one of the worst. Under a semi-decent owner, Dirk would have at least three rings if not more.

[Jonny Blaze]

Yet Mark Cuban has been a horrible owner in all those years. Mavs won despite Cuban not because of Cuban. Any other owner would have had multiple rings with Dirk. Dude let Nash leave who ended up having two MVPs after Mavs' career. He paired Dirk's peak with dudes like Dampier, Lafrentz, Anthony frigging Walker. He refused to pay Tyson Chandler after championship who ended up winning defensive player of the year after leaving. He now paired Luka with the next Lafrentz dooming Luka's career as well.

Claiming Cuban to be a good owner is like claiming Dan Gilbert is a great owner. Gilbert had five NBA finals plus championship. Hence by your logic, he is one of the best owners in the entire league.

This is the stupidest crap I've read on this board. The Mavs got (much) better after Nash left and they upgraded their defense and athleticism.

I noticed you did not answer my questions at all. What other NBA franchises have averaged 56 wins/year over a more than 5 year stretch?

How would Nash have multiple rings with the Mavs when nothing in his career has ever shown him capable of winning a title....much less making the Finals?

I respect Mark Cuban because I'm old enough to remember what the Mavs were before he owned the team.....and that was with an owner that did not care at all about the fans or winning.

Part of what made Cuban such a celebrity was that the Mavs went from being the worst franchise in Pro Sports to one of the elite NBA franchises winning 50 games in Cuban's first 11 full seasons culminating in the 2011 NBA title.

This thread is funny....the Mark Cuban haters are out in full force because the 21 Mavericks had such a horrible season as the 5th seed in the playoffs with one of the best young players in the entire NBA.

Reading this thread I would think the Mavs were a lottery team each season.

What other franchise had Dirk for 20 years and could only get two finals appearance and only one ring? Are you saying Dirk is not one of the greatest of all time? Or are you saying Dan Gilbert is one of the best owners of all time? You can't have both.

Cuban is an idiot who wasted a good chunk of Dirk's career thinking he is the smartest dude in the room. Yet the only reason he won a lot of regular season games was because he got lucky to have Dirk. And give him credit that he was willing to spend money for most of the time. Other than that, he is up there as one of the worst. Under a semi-decent owner, Dirk would have at least three rings if not more.

Quit bringing up Dan Gilbert.

In debating that is called the use of a strawman.

A strawman is when a poster makes a point that has absolutely nothing to do with the Original Point (Mark Cuban sucks) to try and strengthen his original argument.

This is done when your initial argument is crap. Plus.......You keep ignoring my point. The Mavs averaged 56 wins/season for the 7 years after they let Steve Nash walk.

Since 2000 what other NBA franchises have a 5 year stretch while averaging over 55 wins season?
You make it sound like winning an NBA title is easy.
From 1999 until 2011 the Mavs, Spurs and Lakers were the only three teams to win the Western Conference.

Before Mark Cuban the Mavericks were the worst franchise in the NBA. With him the Mavs have been one of the best franchises in the NBA.

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This is the stupidest crap I've read on this board. The Mavs got (much) better after Nash left and they upgraded their defense and athleticism.

I noticed you did not answer my questions at all. What other NBA franchises have averaged 56 wins/year over a more than 5 year stretch?

How would Nash have multiple rings with the Mavs when nothing in his career has ever shown him capable of winning a title....much less making the Finals?

I respect Mark Cuban because I'm old enough to remember what the Mavs were before he owned the team.....and that was with an owner that did not care at all about the fans or winning.

Part of what made Cuban such a celebrity was that the Mavs went from being the worst franchise in Pro Sports to one of the elite NBA franchises winning 50 games in Cuban's first 11 full seasons culminating in the 2011 NBA title.

This thread is funny....the Mark Cuban haters are out in full force because the 21 Mavericks had such a horrible season as the 5th seed in the playoffs with one of the best young players in the entire NBA.

Reading this thread I would think the Mavs were a lottery team each season.

What other franchise had Dirk for 20 years and could only get two finals appearance and only one ring? Are you saying Dirk is not one of the greatest of all time? Or are you saying Dan Gilbert is one of the best owners of all time? You can't have both.

Cuban is an idiot who wasted a good chunk of Dirk's career thinking he is the smartest dude in the room. Yet the only reason he won a lot of regular season games was because he got lucky to have Dirk. And give him credit that he was willing to spend money for most of the time. Other than that, he is up there as one of the worst. Under a semi-decent owner, Dirk would have at least three rings if not more.

Quit bringing up Dan Gilbert.

In debating that is called the use of a strawman.

A strawman is when a poster makes a point that has absolutely nothing to do with the Original Point (Mark Cuban sucks) to try and strengthen his original argument.

This is done when your initial argument is crap. Plus.......You keep ignoring my point. The Mavs averaged 56 wins/season for the 7 years after they let Steve Nash walk.

Since 2000 what other NBA franchises have a 5 year stretch while averaging over 55 wins season?
You make it sound like winning an NBA title is easy.
From 1999 until 2011 the Mavs, Spurs and Lakers were the only three teams to win the Western Conference.

Before Mark Cuban the Mavericks were the worst franchise in the NBA. With him the Mavs have been one of the best franchises in the NBA.

I know what Strawman is. You are bringing the team record and I am explain to you patiently team record is misleading. There are horrible owners whose teams performed really well because they happened to stump upon a HOF player. That is exactly what happened to Cuban.

Cuban contributed nothing. He purchased the team in January of 2000. Dirk was already there. Finley was there. Nash was there. Heck Nelson was there. Cuban made bonehead moves after bonehead moves. Dirk saved his arse many many times. Dallas should have been a dynasty with Dirk. Instead they got one lucky ring. Cuban couldn’t even let that team defend the ring. His massive ego couldn’t take it. Instead of building over that championship squad, he broke that team as well. Every time the team had some success, Cuban got involved and messed it up.

[Cavsfansince84]

I think Cuban was an ok owner. Players seemed to mostly like him but there's no doubt that he got sort of lucky having Dirk to play there for 20 years and often at below market value. The whole sexual harassment scandal that went on for like 10 years is also a bit of a blackeye on his ownership.

[Pharmcat]

Yet Mark Cuban has been a horrible owner in all those years. Mavs won despite Cuban not because of Cuban. Any other owner would have had multiple rings with Dirk. Dude let Nash leave who ended up having two MVPs after Mavs' career. He paired Dirk's peak with dudes like Dampier, Lafrentz, Anthony frigging Walker. He refused to pay Tyson Chandler after championship who ended up winning defensive player of the year after leaving. He now paired Luka with the next Lafrentz dooming Luka's career as well.

Claiming Cuban to be a good owner is like claiming Dan Gilbert is a great owner. Gilbert had five NBA finals plus championship. Hence by your logic, he is one of the best owners in the entire league.

This is the stupidest crap I've read on this board. The Mavs got (much) better after Nash left and they upgraded their defense and athleticism.

I noticed you did not answer my questions at all. What other NBA franchises have averaged 56 wins/year over a more than 5 year stretch?

How would Nash have multiple rings with the Mavs when nothing in his career has ever shown him capable of winning a title....much less making the Finals?

I respect Mark Cuban because I'm old enough to remember what the Mavs were before he owned the team.....and that was with an owner that did not care at all about the fans or winning.

Part of what made Cuban such a celebrity was that the Mavs went from being the worst franchise in Pro Sports to one of the elite NBA franchises winning 50 games in Cuban's first 11 full seasons culminating in the 2011 NBA title.

This thread is funny....the Mark Cuban haters are out in full force because the 21 Mavericks had such a horrible season as the 5th seed in the playoffs with one of the best young players in the entire NBA.

Reading this thread I would think the Mavs were a lottery team each season.

What other franchise had Dirk for 20 years and could only get two finals appearance and only one ring? Are you saying Dirk is not one of the greatest of all time? Or are you saying Dan Gilbert is one of the best owners of all time? You can't have both.

Cuban is an idiot who wasted a good chunk of Dirk's career thinking he is the smartest dude in the room. Yet the only reason he won a lot of regular season games was because he got lucky to have Dirk. And give him credit that he was willing to spend money for most of the time. Other than that, he is up there as one of the worst. Under a semi-decent owner, Dirk would have at least three rings if not more.

People need to really study Cubes more and look at how overrated he is, his career is based on Yahoo being morons and buying his business from him (same Yahoo moron people who said no to buying Google). His NBA success is built cuz of Dirk, how has he done post Dirk career and also later years of Dirks career?

Lets consider:
1) Cubes passed on Ring, Shaq saw the potential in it and invested in it and it sold for 1 billion
2) He passed on the two highest grossing Shark Tank products in Scrub Daddy and Bombas socks
3) He gave a damn suitcase company (trunkster) a 28 million valuation AND laughed when Robert valued it at 5 million, thankfully for Cubes that deal never through
4) Nelson told him to draft Gianis, but Cubes wanted to trade back to have smaller rookie contract salary so he could offer Dwight the max, he did that because Fegan told him he could get Dwight to Dallas. But Dwight didnt go there, egg on face
5) In order to make up for Dwight, Fegan tries to get Deandre to Dallas the year after. We all know how that ended up. Another egg on the face. There have been rumors that Fegan was shadow GM for Mavs. Note: I have nothing against Fegan and may he RIP
6) The embarrassing sexual scandal in Mavs org. For a hands on owner who always tells people to know their numbers, you really believe he didn't know anything that was going on? If yes I got a bridge to sell.

Cubes is living off his 90s reputation and has been mediocre for the last decade.

[ZB9]

I had seasons tickets for the Mavs in the 90s when they were one of the worst franchises in all of pro sports.

Then Cuban bought the team and the expectations have changed dramatically.

Of course, having Dirk and Nash there a year before he bought the team helped but Cuban certainly cares about winning and tries to win.

My point is that Cuban has been a very good owner for the Mavs.