Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[minimus]

When do you expect MIN trade? During draft night? Right after FAs market will open?

[Domejandro]

Jake Layman will be traded with a second for nothing, if no other trade materializes. I am 95% sure.

[Nick K]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

[Nick K]

Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package).

Wasn't about Houston liking Simmons or not.
Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta refused to send him to Daryl Morey's 76ers. Everybody knows that.

Who could blame him!?

[SO_MONEY]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

Pass. I don't like the depth past 4 or 5 in this draft.

[Calinks]

I think Beasley will have a high trade value this year. The issues muddy the waters a bit but I think shooters are so extremely valued right now, teams won't care if they feel like they can add a really good one. Not saying Rosas will deal him for sure but I could see Rosas really thinking Beasley is a valuable asset and he could keep him until he thinks his value is highest and then cash him in.

I think a lot of teams will be desperate for high-level shooting talent to put them over the top, hell the Sixers could very much use a Beasley type outside of Curry. Contending teams will want that kind of player, I could even see Buddy Hield having some value and he is on a huge contract.

[shrink]

Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package).

Wasn't about Houston liking Simmons or not.
Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta refused to send him to Daryl Morey's 76ers. Everybody knows that.

Who could blame him!?

Meh. This really sounds like speculation to me, finding a way to blame the team’s biggest villain for why they didn’t get Simmons. It would take a lot of evidence for me to believe it, and I certainly understand a simpler explanation — HOU (or any team) might have some concerns about adding Ben Simmons salary, lack of growth and mental toughness. I think with Simmons’ high highs, and low lows, that his value could be all over the board if you talked to several different buyers. Simmons requires a GM to build an entire team around him to maximize his strengths and reduce his deficits, and I can see how HOU would be reluctant to make that big of a franchise commitment right now.

[Nick K]

Jake Layman will be traded with a second for nothing, if no other trade materializes. I am 95% sure.

Makes total complete sense.

Juancho and Okogie need to go too.

What about trying to trade up to get the #6 pick for Scottie Barnes for ou PF position. He'd be perfect.

What would it take?

[Nick K]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

Pass. I don't like the depth past 4 or 5 in this draft.

Take another look at Scottie Barnes. He is THE guy.

[shrink]

Over on the trade board, someone suggested

Malik Beasley + Juancho for Josh Richardson and Dorian Finley-Smith

Whadayathink?

[TheProdigy]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

[Worm Guts]

The only way we’re getting a lottery pick this year is if we decide to trade Towns.

[Baseline81]

Over on the trade board, someone suggested

Malik Beasley + Juancho for Josh Richardson and Dorian Finley-Smith

Whadayathink?

No, I value Beasley higher than trading him for expiring contracts.

[SO_MONEY]

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

Pass. I don't like the depth past 4 or 5 in this draft.

Take another look at Scottie Barnes. He is THE guy.

I did and no way do I trade a future pick or Beasley.

[Dewey]

Very few people in this league deserve a max … 3/4ths of the max contracts do not correlate with performance. Therefore most trades are melely two teams swapping spot trying to keep fans happy with a change. None of them care that they all overpaid these louses to start with

[Neeva]

I personally don’t value Simmons highly, with injury risk, confidence issues, and because he hasn’t been able to improve his shooting in the last several years. His contract, which is greater than the typical max, magnifies that risk. But I still think we will see a trade where PHI gets a good package.

The issue here is that the final price for Simmons won’t be the consensus, or the average. PHI only cares about the highest offer. Now there are certainly teams out there that don’t like Simmons (HOU for sure, refusing to take him in a Harden deal over a pretty mediocre package). However, Dane Moore talked to two NBA execs, and they said that if KAT and Edwards aren’t in a deal, it would take two picks (which would be sent elsewhere to get PHI win-now talent). Some GM’s — maybe even Rosas — need to get some wins or they may lose their job, and he would be more helpful (at least, in the regular season), than future picks.

Anyway, if 27 teams think he is low value, and 2 teams think he is great, those two will try to outbid each other, and PHI will get a good return. I think this is the likely end result - PHI will trade him this summer, and get a decent return.

I just hope MIN isn’t the team that overpays for him.

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

[TheProdigy]

Right!
The good news is the Wolves are an up and coming team. We went 10-9 the last 19 games with Dlo back. So we don't have to overpay for a deal here. How about try to get the #6 pick in the draft for Scottie Barnes? He'd be perfect. I'd give up Rubio or Beasley plus a first next year if it could be done. #6 is not like a top 3 pick.

The point is we have options to fill that PF position. I trust Rosas to do the right thing. Overall, I think he's done a remarkable job.

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

Neither can Jonathan Kuminga and he's been consensus top 5 in mocks.

All of these prospects have holes in their games. Barnes is only a freshman so the hope is that he can improve in the areas you noted. You can't teach his length and athleticism. He looks like a true 1-5 switchable defender. He's also got great handles and passing instincts for his size.

[SO_MONEY]

I know most of the mocks currently have Scottie Barnes falling to #6 but that's probably going to change. His combine measurements show that he is an absolute freak. It wouldn't surprise me if he's in discussion for top 3 once the draft rolls around.

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

Neither can Jonathan Kuminga and he's been consensus top 5 in mocks.

All of these prospects have holes in their games. Barnes is only a freshman so the hope is that he can improve in the areas you noted. You can't teach his length and athleticism. He looks like a true 1-5 switchable defender. He's also got great handles and passing instincts for his size.

Which is why this draft is 4 deep and there is a massive drop off. Last year there was a ton of depth as far as role players, this draft seems weak. I wouldn't trade Beasley for a pick outside the top 4 and no team in the top 4 would move a pick for Beasley. I also don't think I would trade a future pick either, that is how big of a drop off I think there is

[TheProdigy]

Cant shoot at all, and cant make free throws...

Neither can Jonathan Kuminga and he's been consensus top 5 in mocks.

All of these prospects have holes in their games. Barnes is only a freshman so the hope is that he can improve in the areas you noted. You can't teach his length and athleticism. He looks like a true 1-5 switchable defender. He's also got great handles and passing instincts for his size.

Which is why this draft is 4 deep and there is a massive drop off. Last year there was a ton of depth as far as role players, this draft seems weak. I wouldn't trade Beasley for a pick outside the top 4 and no team in the top 4 would move a pick for Beasley. I also don't think I would trade a future pick either, that is how big of a drop off I think there is

Couple of things about your Beasley valuation:
1. He's pretty one dimensional although the one thing he does well (shooting) is in high demand.
2. He has a track record of very questionable decision making. He's one more mistake away from a pretty serious league suspension or worse, a lengthy prison sentence.

If someone offers the #5 pick for Beasley, you take it and run.

[TheProdigy]

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