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sixers hoops wrote:I don’t think the Rockets wanted Simmons. It was clear they wanted picks and expirings.
Sportfan73 wrote:I think we could make it a 3 teamer with GS interest in Ben
Simmons and 28 to GS
Lillard to Philly
Wiseman/Wiggins/Thybulle/maxey/#7/#14/23 Philly 1/27 Philly 1/ 22,24,26 swaps
syntax wrote:"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo
76ciology wrote:syntax wrote:"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo
Selecting Ben as number one overall is a bigger mistake than selecting Bargnani.
Atleast with Bargnani, BC drafted him because of the foresight with the landscape of the NBA which is trending towards a 3 heavy game. And you can see that he acknowledges that with his EOY seasons with the Suns ans Raps where he built teams that runs modern offense. Bargnani has the upside the issue with him is his work ethic. The only season where he really worked hard was when he almost made it as an allstar averaging like 20ppg (he was my fantasy player back then).
Who cares about size.. vision.. Boban has size and has 20-20 vision.
Thats the thing with drafting. Know when the data is noise. He got carried away with the “but he’s special” narrative.
The guy he should have selected was Ingram. Ingram has foundations to be a good shooter. Has freakish length and has also a good foundation as a ball handler. Even the Lakers played him some PG early on.
syntax wrote:76ciology wrote:syntax wrote:"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo
Selecting Ben as number one overall is a bigger mistake than selecting Bargnani.
Atleast with Bargnani, BC drafted him because of the foresight with the landscape of the NBA which is trending towards a 3 heavy game. And you can see that he acknowledges that with his EOY seasons with the Suns ans Raps where he built teams that runs modern offense. Bargnani has the upside the issue with him is his work ethic. The only season where he really worked hard was when he almost made it as an allstar averaging like 20ppg (he was my fantasy player back then).
Who cares about size.. vision.. Boban has size and has 20-20 vision.
Thats the thing with drafting. Know when the data is noise. He got carried away with the “but he’s special” narrative.
The guy he should have selected was Ingram. Ingram has foundations to be a good shooter. Has freakish length and has also a good foundation as a ball handler. Even the Lakers played him some PG early on.
Colangelo said he saw a transformational quality and comparisons to Magic and LeBron. Do you have a learning disability?
Hussien Fatal wrote:Lol at the people who don’t want dame because of his contract….hilarious
Come on now, it was the right pick at the time. He literally regressed since then and still is very good player.76ciology wrote:syntax wrote:"He's really got some sort of transformational quality about him, that put him into some pretty elite company with regard to comparisons. You talk about at the time pieces of LeBron James, pieces of Magic Johnson - these are some of the greatest players of all time. But they're big, they're strong, they've got great vision, they play with speed. I think when you look at the entire package of Ben Simmons as a player, those comparisons are warranted." - Bryan Colangelo
Selecting Ben as number one overall is a bigger mistake than selecting Bargnani. And also worse than drafting Fultz over Tatum.
Atleast with Bargnani, BC drafted him because of the foresight with the landscape of the NBA which is trending towards a 3 heavy game. And you can see that he acknowledges that with his EOY seasons with the Suns ans Raps where he built teams that runs modern offense. Bargnani has the upside the issue with him is his work ethic. The only season where he really worked hard was when he almost made it as an allstar averaging like 20ppg (he was my fantasy player back then).
While Fultz was exactly the PG of today’s basketball. He can play multiple positions on defense that allows you to switch heavy on defense. Size advantage against most PGs. Score in 3 levels and is made to run PnR. Its just that nobody saw this “mysterious” injury happening
Who cares about size.. vision.. Boban has size and has 20-20 vision.
Thats the thing with drafting. Know when the data is noise. He got carried away with the “but he’s special” narrative.
The guy he should have selected was Ingram. Ingram has foundations to be a good shooter. Has freakish length and has also a good foundation as a ball handler. Even the Lakers played him some PG early on.
Ingram is Bargnani to what Ben is to LMA. The difference is Ingram was traded early on his career and he has this “near death” experience in his career that made him work his butt off because he is at risk of not getting paid like a #2 overall pick. Whereas Ben and Bargs, both number overall picks, got too comfortable with the status on their team that there was no urgency for them to work hard on their game.
Hussien Fatal wrote:Lol at the people who don’t want dame because of his contract….hilarious
ThisBum Adebayo wrote:Hussien Fatal wrote:Lol at the people who don’t want dame because of his contract….hilarious
Yeah, I really don't get it, people here acting like we will be paying Lillard max money at 37 yo or something, he will be like 34 when the contract ends.
In reality, what we need is 2 good years out of him, we need a player like him to pair with Embiid, I'm tired of organic growth and building through the draft, it is always the same, we never find this type of player and each year it's the same old story, bad offense with a really hard time to score in crunch time. If Lillard is trash at 33-34yo then so be it, Embiid will not be the same too after 3 years I think, you just wait two years and then start rebuilding. We are going nowhere right now.
You really think we can wait for the young guys to get good just so we can preserve our draft capital? So this is actually a long con? You guys realize Morey might be gone and then a Colangelo clone could come and trade all of our assets, just like he did earlier. Embiid has 2-5 years left at this peak. Lillard will still be at this level for the next 3 years must probably. A three year window is great, what are people wanting? A dynasty?Stanford wrote:Hussien Fatal wrote:Lol at the people who don’t want dame because of his contract….hilarious
You're being obtuse.
stormi wrote:sixers hoops wrote:I don’t think the Rockets wanted Simmons. It was clear they wanted picks and expirings.
Not true.
The bar for Philadelphia to acquire Harden kept increasing, and for their competition it did the reverse.
Ben eventually being put on the table was a moment in the discussion phases. But it went from Ben to Ben and Matisse to picks added to them demanding Maxey at the 11th hour. Fertitta and Houston were set on scalping Morey, they had no interest in doing a deal otherwise.