Trades

[RamonSessions7]

I think Wes, Morris, Gasol, and MacLemore all plan to be back if the Lakers will have them.

Wes, Morris giving up money to be here. And there's talks that Gasol might retire.

In any event a starting lineup of:

Turner/AD/Lebron/Caruso/Brogdon

Would be one of most talented and balanced starting lineups I’ve ever seen. Even filling out the roster with vet min ring chasers, that team should be the favorite if healthy.

Agree. That lineup is indeed pretty special, but I can't honestly say that a 10 man vet minimum bench isn't worrisome. We do have the 5.8 mil MLE, for what it's worth. But losing Dennis & Trez for nothing could be a massive blow.

Cuban and other owners will surely throw a fit and demand Silver to reject the trade for “basketball reasons”

They wouldn't have to. The pacers would do that for them

[Kilroy]

I wanna talk about KCP a bit here, seeing as he has been listed as random throw in, in most of the trade scenarios here based on a 5 game sample size. Our 3 point shooting totally fell apart in the Phoenix series and it's the easy scapegoat for the loss.

Let's take a moment to consider the AD+Lebron injuries & Dennis being way off the boil after he returned from his Covid Vacation. This not only caused reduced direct production from our 3 best players but also a huge drop off in playmaking, ergo the shooting. It wasn't just AD going down. Bron & Dennis were clearly not close to 100%. That right there is 90% of the problem

There aren't many real 3&D(more appropriately D&3) guys better than KCP in the NBA. And those better than him aren't available. For context we just saw 3 of the elitest shooters(Joe Harris, MPJ & Davis Bertans) totally get exposed during the playoffs. As a bonus neither of them (and most of the other 42% 3 fg guys you can pick off basketballreference.com) do not know how to play an ounce of defense.

For a team that hangs its hat Defense, to lose KCP(+other assets like Kuz) for a player like Kemba(injury prone & a seive on defense) is like shooting yourself in the head.

Your points are way off. If you(I'm talking general terms here, not just you) licked his ass after a playoff bubble performance(overrated I might add) but small sample size, you also need to acknowldege his bad play this playoffs. Stop the double standard.
I am not talking in general terms, and I'm talking just to you

I do acknowledge it. He sucked, so did the rest of the roster. But so did Joe Harris & Davis Bertans. He shot 41% from the 3 this regular season, 39.5% for the last 2 years - Not a small sample size. Stop harping about 36%. It's ancient history. It's not the player he is anymore.

Another thing, stop overrating his **** talents. He's nowhere close to being one of the best 3D guys in the league.
Did you know that he's a 36% shooter from 3 with the Lakers when there are fans in the arena? I'm not making this up, it's real. Bubble play(last playoffs) and empty arenas(this season) is THE ANOMALY. Playing in front of crowds IS NOT. This guy gets rattled, simple as that, an 80ish game sample size in which he didn't have a crowd to boo him and he shot close to 40% from 3( wide open set shots, he doesn't do stepbacks, off the dribble or any kind of other 3's) doesn't make him a good shooter. "when there's fans in the arena" Idk what that means. So should we start putting an asterisk next to #17 too?

He's a damn average shooter. That's the league average, about 36%.

And he's way overrated as a defender by any metric you can find. Way.

Find me 3 better D&3 guys that are available @ 13m, and I'm sold bruh. I don't think there are any.

There are a town full of those 38-42% shooters who can't defend much better than Kemba Walker, but that's just 3, NO D.

Matisse Thybulle is a 2nd year guy who plays off the bench for 20 mins a game and he's gotten 2nd team all D and his metrics are outstanding on defense.

Thybull is a All NBA D level defender dude.. Chill tf out. I said KCP is above average, which is like the top 25-200 defenders in the league. Gives consistent effort and follows Vogel's defensive schemes to the T. I didn't say he was all NBA ffs. And Thybull, FYI, shoots a little worse than Schroeder on 3, so why tf are we comparing them. And you were talking all about Offense > Defense. Make up your mind.

And there are TONS of better guys, Pope is simply not in the "great" category, he's borderline "good".

Name the tons @ that salary. And don't come up with the Tony Snells and Joe Harrises who can't defend and become liabilities in a playoff series like Ben MacLemore. Go on.. do your research and name them. Hint: I named a couple in the other thread on the Lakers board, but I'm still not trading KCP.

And I don't give a **** about what you see him do defensively, if it's not backed by the metrics it doesn't matter.

Okay then.
Source - https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&GroupQuantity=3&TeamID=1610612747&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*GE*400

Those are the 10 top Net Rtg 3 man lineups Lakers ran this season. Filter: => 400 minutes.

KCP is in 5 of the top 7 of them, which is only equaled by Lebron. His utility is understanding and playing the system that makes the Lakers different and great.

You don't need 5 great defenders / players to execute it, but it is a complicated system that Vogel uses, and you need dudes with a decent IQ and buy in to learn and execute it well. The fact that our defense was #4 in the NBA without Bron & AD is because of guys like KCP, Kuz, Morris, Gasol, Dennis. It's not over rating no one. Just giving credit where it's due.

This team needs scorers, not defenders. We had defenders and we got teams to score 100ish points, under their average.
But guessed what? We scored 85-90 ourselvez. Again, our top 3 players were injured / hobbled. Stop friggin over reacting and calm tf down. It was a tough season, where AD came in hobbled and didn't really look like himself, but for maybe 4-6 games including the playoffs. Lebron & Dennis never really reached even 80% fitness in the playoffs. KCP & Caruso kept going in and out of the lineup all season, including the 6 playoff games. And we made those lofty promises to induct Drummond into a team already reeling with continuity issues.

You can't win a playoff series with bad offense in this league. You can't. It's not the early 00's, you adapt or die.
But you can win with average and even bad defense on occasions. It's not a 50/50 league anymore, but a 75% O and 25% D league.Really?? How did the Jazz / Nets lose then? Historically great offenses. And the Clips(hopefully) about to lose soon too.

Exceptions(KD+Warriors, Kobe+Shaq, 90s Bulls, Early Celtics) aside, the playoffs are, and have always been about having the least amount of weaknesses and ability to adjust. The great teams are able to morph into a few different avatars to counter different styles and still impose their will anyhow.

I would love to hear you blaming injuries for the Nets loss, but not acknowledge the same for us, cos it's just fun to panic rn.

And for the record, I'm not saying our offense is good enough. It's anything but rn. But trading away core pieces like KCP is hardly the way to go about improving it.

And Kuzma and KCT are nowhere near the difference between good defense and bad one in the first place, come on now. He didn't even play in Game 4 and we still held Phx to 97 points and Booker shot 5/16 with 7 turnovers. Next guy stepped up and that's what she wrote.So we are down to 1 game sample sizes now. I don't know how to keep reacting to this

Whenever Lebron and/or Davis miss games(and it's happened A LOT lately), you can have your pals KCT and Kuzma come in to dinner because they're as useless as you and me at basketball, and we have no chance of winning.

KCP and Caruso are redundant talent, period. Both do sorta the same things. Interesting.. do you even watch any Lakers Basketball?
One in the rotation is more than enough. If not you can always find more. The notion they're hard to find is ridiculous, Clippers just got Batum from the FA market who's way better, they also got Terrence Man for scraps basically, a very late pick.
Royce O' Neale is one of the league's best 3D guys and was also a late pick. It's the easiest position to fill in the league.. I'm still waiting for names to fill it.

Kemba+Caruso >>>>>> KCP+Caruso+Kuzma on a team. More diversity, better fit.Off topic, what is the reason for your blind love for Kemba Walker
- who is also a career 36% league average shooter
- hasn't played 100 games combined in the last 2 years due to injuries
- ageing superstar on a totally over MV long term contract
- defensive liability
- below average playmaker for a PG
- shot 32% FG & 17% 3FG in the most recent playoffs.. since we are only focused on 5 game sample sizes.

Are you his burner or his agent? Stop the crusade dude. Hard Pass!!!!

And to end it, stop throwing other players under the bus if you want to defend these two bozos, it totally refutes your point. As bad as you think they played, they came nowhere close to our two clowns. Danny Green was nowhere near this bad and paid the price, so should they.

Even if one of them had played ok and you wanted to keep him, it's about the salaries here. You need to package them both together if you want to get someone with an all star caliber play and salary. That's why you keep seeing them paired together in trades.

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[lazybatman]

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lmao.. sorry

[Pythagoras]

This three team trade works:

Lakers out:
Kuzma, McKinnie

Lakers in:
Hield, Ingles

Kings out:
Hield

Kings in:
McKinnie

Jazz out:
Ingles

Jazz in:
Kuzma

Lakers could send 22 to the Jazz and a future 1st to the Kings as sweeteners.

At that point I wouldn’t care if Schroeder was back or not, as you could throw Caruso in that starting role at point, and you’d still have KCP and THT for depth.

[TylersLakers]

Not sure if anyone listens to the Lakers Exceptionalism Podcast with Cranjis and Tom (Laker Film Room's brother), but they did a recent podcast called "Trade SZN." Cranjis spoke to the other bloggers of teams and people who cover teams and got them to agree on the following trades:

1) Lakers trade Kuzma, #22 to Utah for Joe Ingles: I like this trade for the Lakers. He can handle the ball, run a pick and roll, and he's a KNOCK DOWN shooter from all levels. With that said, Ingles will be 34 by the time next season starts. I could convince myself either way if this trade were to happen.

2) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Sacramento for Buddy Hield and Damian Jones: We keep our pick and we trade Kuzma for an elite shooter. I think THT has to be off the team next year for a guy who can contribute now. Good deal. I make the trade.

3) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Washington for Davis Bertans: No. I wouldn't do this. 4 years left on his deal, super inconsistent. You can get better for Kuzma and THT.

4) Lakers trade THT, #22 to Portland for Anfernee Simons: No.

5) Kuzma, Gasol, #22 to Indiana for Myles Turner or Malcolm Brogdon. The Pacers people said they would say yes to either deal. If this trade is available, the Lakers need to make the deal now.

6) KCP, 2 future 2nd round picks to Orlando for Terrence Ross: Hell no. Really bad deal.

7) #22 pick to Minneapolis for Malik Beasley: I have no idea how this trade even gets done. T-Wolves are over the cap.. Lakers would have to trade Kuz or KCP or re-signed THT. And I wouldn't do that.

[Pythagoras]

Not sure if anyone listens to the Lakers Exceptionalism Podcast with Cranjis and Tom (Laker Film Room's brother), but they did a recent podcast called "Trade SZN." Cranjis spoke to the other bloggers of teams and people who cover teams and got them to agree on the following trades:

1) Lakers trade Kuzma, #22 to Utah for Joe Ingles: I like this trade for the Lakers. He can handle the ball, run a pick and roll, and he's a KNOCK DOWN shooter from all levels. With that said, Ingles will be 34 by the time next season starts. I could convince myself either way if this trade were to happen.

2) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Sacramento for Buddy Hield and Damian Jones: We keep our pick and we trade Kuzma for an elite shooter. I think THT has to be off the team next year for a guy who can contribute now. Good deal. I make the trade.

3) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Washington for Davis Bertans: No. I wouldn't do this. 4 years left on his deal, super inconsistent. You can get better for Kuzma and THT.

4) Lakers trade THT, #22 to Portland for Anfernee Simons: No.

5) Kuzma, Gasol, #22 to Indiana for Myles Turner or Malcolm Brogdon. The Pacers people said they would say yes to either deal. If this trade is available, the Lakers need to make the deal now.

6) KCP, 2 future 2nd round picks to Orlando for Terrence Ross: Hell no. Really bad deal.

7) #22 pick to Minneapolis for Malik Beasley: I have no idea how this trade even gets done. T-Wolves are over the cap.. Lakers would have to trade Kuz or KCP or re-signed THT. And I wouldn't do that.

Great minds think alike. I listened to the podcast and posted about it in this very thread yesterday

[DNP-Old]

This three team trade works:

Lakers out:
Kuzma, McKinnie

Lakers in:
Hield, Ingles

Kings out:
Hield

Kings in:
McKinnie

Jazz out:
Ingles

Jazz in:
Kuzma

Lakers could send 22 to the Jazz and a future 1st to the Kings as sweeteners.

At that point I wouldn’t care if Schroeder was back or not, as you could throw Caruso in that starting role at point, and you’d still have KCP and THT for depth.

How does LAL take in 35m in salary while only sending out 17m?

[lazybatman]

This three team trade works:

Lakers out:
Kuzma, McKinnie

Lakers in:
Hield, Ingles

Kings out:
Hield

Kings in:
McKinnie

Jazz out:
Ingles

Jazz in:
Kuzma

Lakers could send 22 to the Jazz and a future 1st to the Kings as sweeteners.

At that point I wouldn’t care if Schroeder was back or not, as you could throw Caruso in that starting role at point, and you’d still have KCP and THT for depth.

That's 35 mil in for 15 mil out. No way that works

[AGAVE]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

[Pythagoras]

This three team trade works:

Lakers out:
Kuzma, McKinnie

Lakers in:
Hield, Ingles

Kings out:
Hield

Kings in:
McKinnie

Jazz out:
Ingles

Jazz in:
Kuzma

Lakers could send 22 to the Jazz and a future 1st to the Kings as sweeteners.

At that point I wouldn’t care if Schroeder was back or not, as you could throw Caruso in that starting role at point, and you’d still have KCP and THT for depth.

That's 35 mil in for 15 mil out. No way that works

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

I used this site. Might be inaccurate as it’s not my usual go to

[loveshaq786]

Not sure if anyone listens to the Lakers Exceptionalism Podcast with Cranjis and Tom (Laker Film Room's brother), but they did a recent podcast called "Trade SZN." Cranjis spoke to the other bloggers of teams and people who cover teams and got them to agree on the following trades:

1) Lakers trade Kuzma, #22 to Utah for Joe Ingles: I like this trade for the Lakers. He can handle the ball, run a pick and roll, and he's a KNOCK DOWN shooter from all levels. With that said, Ingles will be 34 by the time next season starts. I could convince myself either way if this trade were to happen.

2) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Sacramento for Buddy Hield and Damian Jones: We keep our pick and we trade Kuzma for an elite shooter. I think THT has to be off the team next year for a guy who can contribute now. Good deal. I make the trade.

3) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Washington for Davis Bertans: No. I wouldn't do this. 4 years left on his deal, super inconsistent. You can get better for Kuzma and THT.

4) Lakers trade THT, #22 to Portland for Anfernee Simons: No.

5) Kuzma, Gasol, #22 to Indiana for Myles Turner or Malcolm Brogdon. The Pacers people said they would say yes to either deal. If this trade is available, the Lakers need to make the deal now.

6) KCP, 2 future 2nd round picks to Orlando for Terrence Ross: Hell no. Really bad deal.

7) #22 pick to Minneapolis for Malik Beasley: I have no idea how this trade even gets done. T-Wolves are over the cap.. Lakers would have to trade Kuz or KCP or re-signed THT. And I wouldn't do that.

Great minds think alike. I listened to the podcast and posted about it in this very thread yesterday

Brogdon .... For shroeder and 22

Kuz and kcp for heild and bagley or ingles or turner

[Pythagoras]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

A lot of people following the Jazz’s situation feel that Ingles will be very attainable. They’re already not in a great situation cap wise, and they’ve got Conley who they likely want to re-sign. Rightly or wrongly, they’re probably going to continue the Gobert experiment, so they need to get more athletic wings to help their perimeter defense, and Kuzma is a target. They’ll probably move Favors and Clarkson too.

Now that’s not what I would do if I were them. I’d move Gobert. But the feeling from the articles I’ve been reading suggest the Jazz will look to shake things up this season.

[TylersLakers]

Not sure if anyone listens to the Lakers Exceptionalism Podcast with Cranjis and Tom (Laker Film Room's brother), but they did a recent podcast called "Trade SZN." Cranjis spoke to the other bloggers of teams and people who cover teams and got them to agree on the following trades:

1) Lakers trade Kuzma, #22 to Utah for Joe Ingles: I like this trade for the Lakers. He can handle the ball, run a pick and roll, and he's a KNOCK DOWN shooter from all levels. With that said, Ingles will be 34 by the time next season starts. I could convince myself either way if this trade were to happen.

2) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Sacramento for Buddy Hield and Damian Jones: We keep our pick and we trade Kuzma for an elite shooter. I think THT has to be off the team next year for a guy who can contribute now. Good deal. I make the trade.

3) Lakers trade Kuzma, re-signed THT to Washington for Davis Bertans: No. I wouldn't do this. 4 years left on his deal, super inconsistent. You can get better for Kuzma and THT.

4) Lakers trade THT, #22 to Portland for Anfernee Simons: No.

5) Kuzma, Gasol, #22 to Indiana for Myles Turner or Malcolm Brogdon. The Pacers people said they would say yes to either deal. If this trade is available, the Lakers need to make the deal now.

6) KCP, 2 future 2nd round picks to Orlando for Terrence Ross: Hell no. Really bad deal.

7) #22 pick to Minneapolis for Malik Beasley: I have no idea how this trade even gets done. T-Wolves are over the cap.. Lakers would have to trade Kuz or KCP or re-signed THT. And I wouldn't do that.

Great minds think alike. I listened to the podcast and posted about it in this very thread yesterday

I’m sorry I missed that dude! They also had another trade for Kemba Walker, but that one made me vomit.

[TylersLakers]

The talk on Twitter about Lillard and the Lakers is insane. I’d encourage everyone not to get caught up in that.

Our best offer would be Kuz, KCP, THT sign and trade, #21, and 2027 1st round pick. I can think of about 10 different teams that trump that offer.

My prediction is Denver. They could build a package around Murray, Bol Bol and picks or an offer around Porter, Morris, Gordon, Bol Bol and picks.

[Slava]

The talk on Twitter about Lillard and the Lakers is insane. I’d encourage everyone not to get caught up in that.

Our best offer would be Kuz, KCP, THT sign and trade, #21, and 2027 1st round pick. I can think of about 10 different teams that trump that offer.

My prediction is Denver. They could build a package around Murray, Bol Bol and picks or an offer around Porter, Morris, Gordon, Bol Bol and picks.

I don't think Denver trades Murray. My bet is Philly. They were more than ready to move on from Simmons for Harden, they could do the same deal with Portland. Something like Simmons + Maxey or Thybulle and a pick works and it balances both teams. Embiid + Lillard alongside Harris is as close as anyone can get to matching Brooklyn's fire power. Simmons gets to play in a line up with a lot more shooting that is more conducive to playing the kind of transition basketball he should be able to thrive in, Simmons/McCollum/Covington/Collins/Nurkic is a solid line up for Portland to move forward with and adds some defensive solidarity they've been missing.

They could also do a three way deal with Minnesota if Portland wants a more rebuilding package. Something like Simmons to Minnesota, Edwards + Culver + Rubio + picks to Portland and Lillard to Philly works.

[loveshaq786]

Gasol and 21....for boucher, 46and 47

[tamaraw08]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

A lot of people following the Jazz’s situation feel that Ingles will be very attainable. They’re already not in a great situation cap wise, and they’ve got Conley who they likely want to re-sign. Rightly or wrongly, they’re probably going to continue the Gobert experiment, so they need to get more athletic wings to help their perimeter defense, and Kuzma is a target. They’ll probably move Favors and Clarkson too.

Now that’s not what I would do if I were them. I’d move Gobert. But the feeling from the articles I’ve been reading suggest the Jazz will look to shake things up this season.

I would love Ingles to play for the Lakers, but then again the first and foremost that Pelinka needs to do is to confer with his Defense first- I don't play weak defenders coach, Mr Frank Vogel if Joe is a good enough defender for his taste and that he would not bench him like he did to Harrell,Marc etc.
Having said that, Joe has a career 3ptFG% of 41.4% in 545 games, that last time he shot below 39% was more than 5 years ago, he shot 45% last season. I understand he is almost 34 and Jazz might want to shake things up esp with their salary make up but still, 29 other teams would surely love to get a legit shooter like him. I see Morey salivating over him and would make a better offer like Thybulle plus fillers, same with Pat Riley with Herro/fillers, and other teams that are also looking to make changes like Portland, Washington, Chicago etc.
My top of the list would be Brogdon and I feel he is also going to cost a lot. I must admit, I am very skeptic with regards to these trade scenarios bec you basically need other GMs to be attracted to whatever assets that Lakers have which is not very much IMO. Again, other teams are also lurking and wanting to improve their team and are also targeting these prospects and most of them have better assets imo esp picks. Lebron needed to convince AD to force that trade, again James along with Paul would also need to work their magic.

[ROballer]

1. Stop posting trades involving S&T Schroder and/or THT plus Kuzma/KCT/Gasol and any other guy on the roster.
For the milionth time, IT'S NOT A LEGAL TRADE PER THE CBA.


We can get multiple players back for a sign and traded player, but can only send the one getting signed and traded back.
ONE **** PLAYER, plus eventual picks. That's it.
That's if the mentioned guy agrees to the salary and going to the team we want to do the sign and trade with. If not see the Bogdanovic to Milwaukee botched deal.

Even if in the eleventh hour, some of you guys get your **** together and start posting legal trades involving the S&T, keep in mind that those guys are FREE AGENTS first and foremost, not slaves. They're not going where are you wanting them to go just because you feel like it. They have the last word, if they don't want to go to the team you're wanting them to go, they won't and that's the end of the story.

Sign and trade deals are NOT the regular trade deals, in which a player has no saying if he doesn't have a no trade clause.


I swear, I'm not even surprised this forum is dying by the minute. I saw guys like Sedale and dock posting on the GB lately and not here. The sheer lunacy of some posts are head scratching to me.
If you don't know the rules of trading, don't **** post. Period.
It's not even the lopsided trades(McKinnie and a 20# pick for Buddy Hield), okay I might be able to live with that. But the fact that 70% or so trades mentioned here are not even legal per the rules of the CBA is the thing that gets me.



2. Joe Ingles was a terrific defender. Stop the white man prejudice. He's getting there in age a lost half a step but he can hold his own. You'd have to be out of your damn mind not to take him for Kuzma if that ever would be a possibility.

[zimpy27]

2 trades:
THT(SnT)+Kuzma to Mavs for Porzingis

Schroder(SnT) to Mavs, J-Rich+McKinnie to Kings, Hield+Brunson to Lakers



Caruso, Hield, LeBron, Davis, KP -- Brunson, KCP, Matthews, Markieff, Gasol

Love this team potential

[Slava]

I don’t see Dallas doing the second trade more than the first one. They love Brunson and Schröder is kind of useless around Luka.