Offseason Trades and Transaction Ideas Thread

[HarthorneWingo]

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Obi + IQ (or RJ) + Draft picks/swaps

Isn't that was it's going to take?

I hope we can keep Mitch.

[sol537]

Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Randle + 32 is something you have to consider if GSW is interested. As mentioned before, the pressure is on GSW to go all in for the last few years of Curry's prime. Dray + Randle + Curry + Klay all healthy gets you a title.

[sol537]

It would take RJ + Obi + a boatload of picks for Dame.

Then you convince Kawhi to sign as a FA. Now you have a contender.

[Polk377]

The Cavs are not doing that deal and for good reason. For us, it would be a great idea because then once Love expires, we would have nearly 2 max slots open with rookie scale Barrett and rookie scale Green and whatever we pay Mitch and IQ. So in 2023 who is available? who wants to pair up and lead a 5 year mini-dynasty?

So yes, of course we do that, but Cavs, Pistons, Rockets, Raps all should not move their top picks for Randle who is legitimately an all-star after last year.

Stars don't line up to come play with 20 year old kids. It doesn't happen. They want to play with guys around their own age that have already established themselves as all stars. What you are proposing is pure fantasy. Knicks already have 2 max slots available this offseason with multiple picks to play with and young guys who could have some value on the market. If there is anytime to strike and create a big 3 for ourselves with guys like Lillard, SGA, Kawai, Wall, KAT Kemba and that caliber being available this offseason now is it.

Players might be looking to team up with Luka and Trae if their teams had proper cap space. Luka's problem now is that KP looks busted. If Dame and some other star were FA right now, I could see them looking at Dallas with non-max Luka

You just named 2 all stars proving my point. RJ is getting better but not an all star. Whoever they would draft in your scenario is not an all star. Knicks have one of those. His name is Julius Randle and he has respect among the players in the league. Use this time of instability in the league to capitalize while we have the cap space and abundance of assets.

[blanko]

Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Randle + 32 is something you have to consider if GSW is interested. As mentioned before, the pressure is on GSW to go all in for the last few years of Curry's prime. Dray + Randle + Curry + Klay all healthy gets you a title.

How would that make sense salary wise? Also gs has green, i dont think they would want randle. Do you think they can play together? Also, if wiseman is coming they would want mitch... i dont mind sending mitch and randle and 3 of our picks for wiggens, wiseman &7.

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[HarthorneWingo]

It would take RJ + Obi + a boatload of picks for Dame.

Then you convince Kawhi to sign as a FA. Now you have a contender.

Why would Kawhi come here when his team - without him - in the WCF? We couldn't even get out of the first round. You think Kawhi would rather play here?

[Brandingo83]

Would we trade randle and say 2 1st to Cleveland for love and 3?

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Why are we trading the MVP candidate? Makes way more sense to trade the potential than him. Trade RJ and get Randle another star. A better star. I’m not sold on our players under 25 like the rest. I don’t see any HoFers. I do see RJ as an all star reserve tho


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[Celo]

I know the flavor of the week are all those sexy names floating around in the rumor mill, but let's not forget that we have enough other roster spots to fill. One of them is probably the backup center. Instead of using a draft pick on that need (I'd much rather invest them in wings/guards) we should take a look at the free agency. One name that I found interesting that might be available is Tony Bradley. I'm not blaming anyone who's not familiar with him Former first round pick who's playing for OKC and will be a RFA this off-season. With all those picks coming in, I'm not sure OKC'll want to tie cap space as well as a roster spot to a backup center. Only 23 years old, opponents shoot 6% worse when defended by him (Top 5 center-wise in the league, minimum of 7 DFGA's), Top 15 o-reb% (minimum 15 minutes played - not as good on the defensive glass, yet still miles better than Noel) and he's shooting almost 73% in the paint (top 10 center-wise with at least 3 such attempts).

I think he might be a guy who'd be worth taking a flier on.

[nykballa2k4]

Stars don't line up to come play with 20 year old kids. It doesn't happen. They want to play with guys around their own age that have already established themselves as all stars. What you are proposing is pure fantasy. Knicks already have 2 max slots available this offseason with multiple picks to play with and young guys who could have some value on the market. If there is anytime to strike and create a big 3 for ourselves with guys like Lillard, SGA, Kawai, Wall, KAT Kemba and that caliber being available this offseason now is it.

Players might be looking to team up with Luka and Trae if their teams had proper cap space. Luka's problem now is that KP looks busted. If Dame and some other star were FA right now, I could see them looking at Dallas with non-max Luka

You just named 2 all stars proving my point. RJ is getting better but not an all star. Whoever they would draft in your scenario is not an all star. Knicks have one of those. His name is Julius Randle and he has respect among the players in the league. Use this time of instability in the league to capitalize while we have the cap space and abundance of assets.

If there were multiple A-list guys available this summer we'd be having a different talk. Between Julius, Obi, RJ, Mitch, IQ we have about 1 max contract slot (which is perfect). We have Noah and his ~7M which is blocking the path to 2 max slots and there are no Fa's to take our money.

The FA class is Kawhi who has been high drama, Lowry, CP3, DeRozan, Blake Griffen, John Collins (RFA) Dinwiddie (RFA) etc.
Luka and Trea are two guys who ascended quickly, we just need one rookie contract player to look promising enough. Basically that's what the Suns had with Booker, Bridges, Ayton. Why not us with Barrett, Robinson, Toppin, Bouknight?

[br7knicks]

i know he doesn't really move the needle, but what about a guy like kuzma? especially if the knicks move guys like mitch, rj, picks for dame? i feel like if the knicks get dame, moving randle to the 5 might make the knicks nasty, depending on who they surround the rest with.

dame
IQ
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kuzma
randle

[BKlutch]

The Cavs are not doing that deal and for good reason. For us, it would be a great idea because then once Love expires, we would have nearly 2 max slots open with rookie scale Barrett and rookie scale Green and whatever we pay Mitch and IQ. So in 2023 who is available? who wants to pair up and lead a 5 year mini-dynasty?

So yes, of course we do that, but Cavs, Pistons, Rockets, Raps all should not move their top picks for Randle who is legitimately an all-star after last year.

Stars don't line up to come play with 20 year old kids. It doesn't happen. They want to play with guys around their own age that have already established themselves as all stars. What you are proposing is pure fantasy. Knicks already have 2 max slots available this offseason with multiple picks to play with and young guys who could have some value on the market. If there is anytime to strike and create a big 3 for ourselves with guys like Lillard, SGA, Kawai, Wall, KAT Kemba and that caliber being available this offseason now is it.

Players might be looking to team up with Luka and Trae if their teams had proper cap space. Luka's problem now is that KP looks busted. If Dame and some other star were FA right now, I could see them looking at Dallas with non-max Luka

when has KP really not been busted? He came to us with a unicorn ceiling, but turned out to be a diva in unicorn's clothing. Plus, he's been injured and his rehab was mismanaged.

[nykballa2k4]

Stars don't line up to come play with 20 year old kids. It doesn't happen. They want to play with guys around their own age that have already established themselves as all stars. What you are proposing is pure fantasy. Knicks already have 2 max slots available this offseason with multiple picks to play with and young guys who could have some value on the market. If there is anytime to strike and create a big 3 for ourselves with guys like Lillard, SGA, Kawai, Wall, KAT Kemba and that caliber being available this offseason now is it.

Players might be looking to team up with Luka and Trae if their teams had proper cap space. Luka's problem now is that KP looks busted. If Dame and some other star were FA right now, I could see them looking at Dallas with non-max Luka

when has KP really not been busted? He came to us with a unicorn ceiling, but turned out to be a diva in unicorn's clothing. Plus, he's been injured and his rehab was mismanaged.

He averaged 20-10-2 prior to an injury last post-season (Which was like 6 months ago). He is more reliable than Kawhi who most of us would give up a leg for. Let him get one full off-season where he can properly rehab and properly train up for the season. Doncic may be balling out q1-3, but his chubby self could hit the gym and maybe he'd be fresh in q4.

[br7knicks]

Players might be looking to team up with Luka and Trae if their teams had proper cap space. Luka's problem now is that KP looks busted. If Dame and some other star were FA right now, I could see them looking at Dallas with non-max Luka

when has KP really not been busted? He came to us with a unicorn ceiling, but turned out to be a diva in unicorn's clothing. Plus, he's been injured and his rehab was mismanaged.

He averaged 20-10-2 prior to an injury last post-season (Which was like 6 months ago). He is more reliable than Kawhi who most of us would give up a leg for. Let him get one full off-season where he can properly rehab and properly train up for the season. Doncic may be balling out q1-3, but his chubby self could hit the gym and maybe he'd be fresh in q4.

You're definitely right. But kawhi is at least a proven winner. KP is a proven little bitch.

Kawhi is about as reliable as KO, though. You're right about that

[nykballa2k4]

when has KP really not been busted? He came to us with a unicorn ceiling, but turned out to be a diva in unicorn's clothing. Plus, he's been injured and his rehab was mismanaged.

He averaged 20-10-2 prior to an injury last post-season (Which was like 6 months ago). He is more reliable than Kawhi who most of us would give up a leg for. Let him get one full off-season where he can properly rehab and properly train up for the season. Doncic may be balling out q1-3, but his chubby self could hit the gym and maybe he'd be fresh in q4.

You're definitely right. But kawhi is at least a proven winner. KP is a proven little bitch.

Kawhi is about as reliable as KO, though. You're right about that

KP plays hurt, plays through things and actually works in an off-season. He added muscle when he was healthy, and clearly works hard at his rehab. That's the most thank-less part of being an athlete.

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[nykballa2k4]

i know he doesn't really move the needle, but what about a guy like kuzma? especially if the knicks move guys like mitch, rj, picks for dame? i feel like if the knicks get dame, moving randle to the 5 might make the knicks nasty, depending on who they surround the rest with.

dame
IQ
xxxxx
kuzma
randle

Don't want to deal with the Lakers. With LeBron, he makes guys usually look better. Take them away and make them fend for themselves on offense... it's going to be bad.

[sol537]

It would take RJ + Obi + a boatload of picks for Dame.

Then you convince Kawhi to sign as a FA. Now you have a contender.

Why would Kawhi come here when his team - without him - in the WCF? We couldn't even get out of the first round. You think Kawhi would rather play here?

Only if he feels slighted in LAC would he consider NY, IMO. So, yeah, it's highly unlikely but thinking the only way getting Dame makes sense is if we can get a 3rd star to pair with him and Randle. Otherwise, pass.

[sol537]

Wiseman + 7 + 14 for Randle + 32 is something you have to consider if GSW is interested. As mentioned before, the pressure is on GSW to go all in for the last few years of Curry's prime. Dray + Randle + Curry + Klay all healthy gets you a title.

How would that make sense salary wise? Also gs has green, i dont think they would want randle. Do you think they can play together? Also, if wiseman is coming they would want mitch... i dont mind sending mitch and randle and 3 of our picks for wiggens, wiseman &7.

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We can absorb salary since we're way under the cap.

I think Randle and Draymond can play well together as Dray can guard any position and Randle actually played solid defense during the regular season. Both guys are plus passers so Curry and Klay can feast. They may need a guy like Batum at SF to really bring it all together.

[br7knicks]

i know he doesn't really move the needle, but what about a guy like kuzma? especially if the knicks move guys like mitch, rj, picks for dame? i feel like if the knicks get dame, moving randle to the 5 might make the knicks nasty, depending on who they surround the rest with.

dame
IQ
xxxxx
kuzma
randle

Don't want to deal with the Lakers. With LeBron, he makes guys usually look better. Take them away and make them fend for themselves on offense... it's going to be bad.

I thought I read he's FA and likely looking to get out. That's only reason I asked.

I don't know much about kuz. A bit of a stretch 4 I think is all I know

[nykballa2k4]

i know he doesn't really move the needle, but what about a guy like kuzma? especially if the knicks move guys like mitch, rj, picks for dame? i feel like if the knicks get dame, moving randle to the 5 might make the knicks nasty, depending on who they surround the rest with.

dame
IQ
xxxxx
kuzma
randle

Don't want to deal with the Lakers. With LeBron, he makes guys usually look better. Take them away and make them fend for themselves on offense... it's going to be bad.

I thought I read he's FA and likely looking to get out. That's only reason I asked.

I don't know much about kuz. A bit of a stretch 4 I think is all I know

Went from better asset than Ingram to streaky wing scorer.

[br7knicks]

Don't want to deal with the Lakers. With LeBron, he makes guys usually look better. Take them away and make them fend for themselves on offense... it's going to be bad.

I thought I read he's FA and likely looking to get out. That's only reason I asked.

I don't know much about kuz. A bit of a stretch 4 I think is all I know

Went from better asset than Ingram to streaky wing scorer.

That's what I figured. Also thought that having LeBron and AD means his potential and output will be limited. Maybe a change of scenery would do him well.

Plus, if he can get back to being a consistent shooter, he fills the number two thing the Knicks need, behind a PG