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kobyz wrote:They need to draft Suggs, he's like James Harden with defense and better leadership, with his size will be great fit with Sexton in the backcourt and great pick and roll partner with Allen...
AthensBucks wrote:Lowry is done.
Nurse is below average at best.
Masai is overrated.
I dont get how so many people believe in the raptors,they have zero to chance to win it all.
The_Hater wrote:Wadzup wrote:
Based on what I saw in the post season either one of Darius Garland or Collin Sexton straight up for Ben Simmons would be a overpay. I would offer Love in a 1 for 1 trade just for a change of scenery for both players.
If you are the Cavs, you do that without hesitation, but as much as Simmons' value is sunk right now, it's still way higher than Love straight up. Simmons isn't quite the sunk cost that Love is being that he is eight years younger.
Personally, I would bite the bullet and do No. 3 over either Sexton or Garland, only because both have shown they have plus-NBA ability. I think both Suggs and Green will get at least to that level, and both could be better than either Sexton/Garland, but there is some risk since they haven't proven it yet.
Plus, I think adding Simmons solves a lot of the issues the Garland/Sexton backcourt brings, mainly defensive liabilities. But running a lineup of:
1. Garland
2. Sexton
3. Simmons
4. Nance
5. Allen
looks pretty intriguing. Simmons, Nance and Allen are not defensive liabilities and Simmons has the versatility to guard pretty much whatever the toughest matchup the other team presents. Nance can space the floor along with Garland/Sexton, so it doesn't clog things up having two limited offensive players in the starting lineup. Okoro would come of the bench as the sixth man.
It's not a lineup that is challenging for a top 5 seed, but a couple more minor moves and they should be able to assemble a 8-9 man rotation that should at least be in the playoff conversation, which has to be the goal now in year 4 of the second post-LeBron teardown/rebuild.
Sexton for Simmons isn’t an overpay. Sexton isn’t exactly full of plus skills and has never been considered for the all star team or all NBA team.
The Cavs need to improve the team defense and ball movement badly and adding Simmons and subtracting Sexton would help do this. Plus a full season of Allen in the middle and then they draft their Sexton replacement at #3 instead of overpaying him as a free agent.
It almost makes too muck sense for me, although Sexton isn’t exactly a Darryle Morey type of player. He might not like this too much. Or he might prefer Garland.
bwgood77 wrote:The_Hater wrote:Wadzup wrote:
Based on what I saw in the post season either one of Darius Garland or Collin Sexton straight up for Ben Simmons would be a overpay. I would offer Love in a 1 for 1 trade just for a change of scenery for both players.
If you are the Cavs, you do that without hesitation, but as much as Simmons' value is sunk right now, it's still way higher than Love straight up. Simmons isn't quite the sunk cost that Love is being that he is eight years younger.
Personally, I would bite the bullet and do No. 3 over either Sexton or Garland, only because both have shown they have plus-NBA ability. I think both Suggs and Green will get at least to that level, and both could be better than either Sexton/Garland, but there is some risk since they haven't proven it yet.
Plus, I think adding Simmons solves a lot of the issues the Garland/Sexton backcourt brings, mainly defensive liabilities. But running a lineup of:
1. Garland
2. Sexton
3. Simmons
4. Nance
5. Allen
looks pretty intriguing. Simmons, Nance and Allen are not defensive liabilities and Simmons has the versatility to guard pretty much whatever the toughest matchup the other team presents. Nance can space the floor along with Garland/Sexton, so it doesn't clog things up having two limited offensive players in the starting lineup. Okoro would come of the bench as the sixth man.
It's not a lineup that is challenging for a top 5 seed, but a couple more minor moves and they should be able to assemble a 8-9 man rotation that should at least be in the playoff conversation, which has to be the goal now in year 4 of the second post-LeBron teardown/rebuild.
Sexton for Simmons isn’t an overpay. Sexton isn’t exactly full of plus skills and has never been considered for the all star team or all NBA team.
The Cavs need to improve the team defense and ball movement badly and adding Simmons and subtracting Sexton would help do this. Plus a full season of Allen in the middle and then they draft their Sexton replacement at #3 instead of overpaying him as a free agent.
It almost makes too muck sense for me, although Sexton isn’t exactly a Darryle Morey type of player. He might not like this too much. Or he might prefer Garland.
Sexton or Garland for Simmons an overpay? I mean Simmons was disappointing but that's a little ridiculous. I know his contract isn't good so it might be hard to match salaries...maybe they could do it with Love or something, but they'd need to include a pick or two as well.
jbk1234 wrote:I'm not sure who moved this here or why, but just as a courtesy, it would've cool to inform the moderator. We already have a thread I would've merged this with.
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bwgood77 wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I'm not sure who moved this here or why, but just as a courtesy, it would've cool to inform the moderator. We already have a thread I would've merged this with.
I did. I figured as these died down on the GB maybe people on their team forums would like to read unbiased thoughts from others and maybe add to the discussion but feel free to lock it or whatever.
JonFromVA wrote:bwgood77 wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I'm not sure who moved this here or why, but just as a courtesy, it would've cool to inform the moderator. We already have a thread I would've merged this with.
I did. I figured as these died down on the GB maybe people on their team forums would like to read unbiased thoughts from others and maybe add to the discussion but feel free to lock it or whatever.
That made me chuckle.
JonFromVA wrote:bwgood77 wrote:jbk1234 wrote:I'm not sure who moved this here or why, but just as a courtesy, it would've cool to inform the moderator. We already have a thread I would've merged this with.
I did. I figured as these died down on the GB maybe people on their team forums would like to read unbiased thoughts from others and maybe add to the discussion but feel free to lock it or whatever.
That made me chuckle.
bwgood77 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
I did. I figured as these died down on the GB maybe people on their team forums would like to read unbiased thoughts from others and maybe add to the discussion but feel free to lock it or whatever.
That made me chuckle.
Well surely Cavs fans are more biased overall than non Cavs fans. It's not like there is a big debate or rival who are bashing players like the Trae vs Doncic discussions there.
I know Suns fans, for example are far more biased with a homerish view of the team. And while other fans don't watch our teams as much or have as much knowledge it can be interesting to read or simply take with a grain of salt.
But if it is deemed to not be a thread that interests anyone who may not have already seen it on the GB, it can always be locked by the local moderator.
He's a keeper. He had a really good season for a 21 year old PG his second year in the NBA.FluLikeSymptoms wrote:How do Cleveland fans rate Garland’s season/prospects? Is he a keeper? Can’t say I watched much of the Cavs, I was busy avoiding my own favourite team’s games. Numbers are mixed but I have no idea of the context. I ask because Zach Lowe said it was unlikely Cleveland would move him “after the season he had,” but that could go either way.
jbk1234 wrote:He's a keeper. He had a really good season for a 21 year old PG his second year in the NBA.FluLikeSymptoms wrote:How do Cleveland fans rate Garland’s season/prospects? Is he a keeper? Can’t say I watched much of the Cavs, I was busy avoiding my own favourite team’s games. Numbers are mixed but I have no idea of the context. I ask because Zach Lowe said it was unlikely Cleveland would move him “after the season he had,” but that could go either way.
