Trades

[TGW]

There’s no way the Pacers would trade Myles Turner or Brogdon for terrible kuzma and a late pick. Get real.

[tamaraw08]

2 trades:
THT(SnT)+Kuzma to Mavs for Porzingis

Schroder(SnT) to Mavs, J-Rich+McKinnie to Kings, Hield+Brunson to Lakers



Caruso, Hield, LeBron, Davis, KP -- Brunson, KCP, Matthews, Markieff, Gasol

Love this team potential

I am dumbfounded with the attraction on Porzingis by fans. This 7-3 center has a career 44.1%FG. The freaking Kuzma shot 44.3% last year and we cry about his efficiency. The guy has NEVER PLAYED A FULL SEASON, missed 28 games last season, missed at least 17 games before that and we cry about AD's missed games, missed the entire 18-19 etc. We need to stay away from these fragile players.
I like Hield and Brunson though.

[TylersLakers]

2 trades:
THT(SnT)+Kuzma to Mavs for Porzingis

Schroder(SnT) to Mavs, J-Rich+McKinnie to Kings, Hield+Brunson to Lakers



Caruso, Hield, LeBron, Davis, KP -- Brunson, KCP, Matthews, Markieff, Gasol

Love this team potential

That first trade.. Dallas would have to include a pick or else have that deal contingent on the second deal. Because there's no way I accept that KP contract unless a sweetener (1st rounder) or Brunson comes with it.

I love that roster however. And it actually makes sense, because Dallas could sign free agents and use their cap space first. And then make the sign and trades for Schroder and THT.

[lazybatman]

And Dennis needs to want to go to the Pacers(hypothetically speaking ofc, the Pacers would say no for either one of Turner/Brogdon).
It's not as simple as a regular trade, in which a player has no power.

See the Bogdanovic botched deal with Milwaukee. That's the perfect example of a sign and trade deal gone wrong because the player didn't want to go there.

The original agreement as reported by ESPN involved a sign-and-trade with the Kings inking Bogdanovic to a new deal and sending the guard to the Bucks for Donte DiVincenzo, D.J. Wilson and Ersan Ilyasova. However, according to The Athletic's report, Bogdanovic never agreed to join the Bucks which has become a "major issue."

Bogdanovich could turn that deal down, cos his skillset was/is of far greater value and in demand. Dennis ain't gonna have as many takers, so his negotiating power is limited. Dennis shouldn't have much of a market, given that NYK are probably the only team with cap space, looking for PG, and Dennis definitely ain't the answer to their playmaking needs with a bevy of better options(Conley, Lowry, Dinwilddie, Lonzo, Rose, Dragic, TJ, Reggie Jackson) available. Miami, Spurs, Hornets, Grizzlies, Cavs aren't throwing 15+ mil @ Dennis anytime soon given their needs.

So as long as the Pacers & he can agree on a "fair" price, we can throw in a pick or two + THT S&T in a separate trade for Myles to sweeten the pie. If he ain't getting FA money anywhere, then he needs the Lakers to S&T as much as we need it, unless he's looking to have a 'prove it - MLE year'. And Idk if the greedy f*cker has enough pride & balls to pull a stunt like that. Will be 29 by next year, and the likelihood of him having another 2019-20 career season next with CP3 & SGA are slim to none, so he'll probably be taking that MLE level money for the rest of his career.

Trades I'm suggesting in theory -

Trade 1 -

Dennis S&T(16) + 1 pick
FOR
Myles(18)

Trade 2 -

Kuz(13)+THT(11)
FOR
Brogdon(21) + Aaron Holiday(2)

[lazybatman]

This three team trade works:

Lakers out:
Kuzma, McKinnie

Lakers in:
Hield, Ingles

Kings out:
Hield

Kings in:
McKinnie

Jazz out:
Ingles

Jazz in:
Kuzma

Lakers could send 22 to the Jazz and a future 1st to the Kings as sweeteners.

At that point I wouldn’t care if Schroeder was back or not, as you could throw Caruso in that starting role at point, and you’d still have KCP and THT for depth.

That's 35 mil in for 15 mil out. No way that works

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

I used this site. Might be inaccurate as it’s not my usual go to

That's the tradenba site redirect. Site's legit. Maybe you didn't renew THT+AC+Dennis in the 2021-22 season, so it gave you some cap space to burn. Not sure, cos we still shouldn't have more than a few mil, after KCP+Kuz+Gasol+Kinnie.

Maybe post a link to the trade next time.

[lazybatman]

2 trades:
THT(SnT)+Kuzma to Mavs for Porzingis

Schroder(SnT) to Mavs, J-Rich+McKinnie to Kings, Hield+Brunson to Lakers



Caruso, Hield, LeBron, Davis, KP -- Brunson, KCP, Matthews, Markieff, Gasol

Love this team potential

I am dumbfounded with the attraction on Porzingis by fans. This 7-3 center has a career 44.1%FG. The freaking Kuzma shot 44.3% last year and we cry about his efficiency. The guy has NEVER PLAYED A FULL SEASON, missed 28 games last season, missed at least 17 games before that and we cry about AD's missed games, missed the entire 18-19 etc. We need to stay away from these fragile players.
I like Hield and Brunson though.

ikr.. lmao

K-Love+Kemba Walker for Lebron+AD coming up next

If Dallas threw in 8 picks and Porzingis for our role players, I would still ask them to find a third team to accept those picks and Porzingis, so we can get some players who will at least be available to play.

[lazybatman]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

They have 1 2nd round appearance in the last 5 years. Define "Working for them".

If they don't improve / switch it up soon, Spida gonna be gone, and they'll be left holding Rudy's 200m d*ck in their hands.

[Pythagoras]

That's 35 mil in for 15 mil out. No way that works

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

I used this site. Might be inaccurate as it’s not my usual go to

That's the tradenba site redirect. Site's legit. Maybe you didn't renew THT+AC+Dennis in the 2021-22 season, so it gave you some cap space to burn. Not sure, cos we still shouldn't have more than a few mil, after KCP+Kuz+Gasol+Kinnie.

Maybe post a link to the trade next time.

That’s why it worked.

[tamaraw08]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

They have 1 2nd round appearance in the last 5 years. Define "Working for them".

If they don't improve / switch it up soon, Spida gonna be gone, and they'll be left holding Rudy's 200m d*ck in their hands.

Joe has a career 3ptFG% of 41.4% in 545 games, that last time he shot below 39% was more than 5 years ago, he shot 45% last season. I understand he is almost 34 and Jazz might want to shake things up esp with their salary make up but still, 28 other teams would surely love to get a legit shooter like him. I see Morey salivating over him and would make a better offer like Thybulle plus fillers, same with Pat Riley with Herro/fillers, and other teams that are also looking to make changes like Portland, Washington, Chicago etc.
BTW, Pelinka would be a fool if he doesn't consult with his mr Defense- I don't play weak defenders coach Frank Vogel bec it's a possibility that he won't play him if he is not cutting it when he has to switch to a quick guard.

[ROballer]

There's no coach in the league who won't play Ingles because of his mind fits or brain farts about how the game should be played.
One that has a job tomorrow that is.

Ingles is the ultimate glue guy this league has to offer. He has a spot and playing time on all 30 teams.

This narrative that we need to consult Vogel on what players we might add or not, because he will play them or not based on his philosophy needs to cease.
He's the coach, not the GM. His job is to play the guys he has at his disposal, not to throw tantrums on who we should or shouldn't get.
If he can't handle it, he should be gone. He's hardly irrepleaceble.

[tamaraw08]

There's no coach in the league who won't play Ingles because of his mind fits or brain farts about how the game should be played.
One that has a job tomorrow that is.

Ingles is the ultimate glue guy this league has to offer. He has a spot and playing time on all 30 teams.

This narrative that we need to consult Vogel on what players we might add or not, because he will play them or not based on his philosophy needs to cease.
He's the coach, not the GM. His job is to play the guys he has at his disposal, not to throw tantrums on who we should or shouldn't get.
If he can't handle it, he should be gone. He's hardly irrepleaceble.

I understand that, but Pelinka committed his precious exemption of 19mil/2 yrs on Harrell who had pretty good ORTG of 123, 21 pts/36 mins and even when AD went down, Vogel DECIDED that Tresz will play 12 mins in game 5 and UNDER 8 mins for the ELIMINATION GAME when it was pretty clear that the Lakers were bleeding for points. Marc who has the size and high bb IQ also barely played. Rob also knew that they badly needed a shooter so he plucked Ben McLemore who played an ave of 9 mins/game.
I really think it's stupid to not even consult with your coach about their concerns and principles bec there will be a fatal conflict between 2 major executives that will surely lead to failure of the team.

[Pythagoras]

There's no coach in the league who won't play Ingles because of his mind fits or brain farts about how the game should be played.
One that has a job tomorrow that is.

Ingles is the ultimate glue guy this league has to offer. He has a spot and playing time on all 30 teams.

This narrative that we need to consult Vogel on what players we might add or not, because he will play them or not based on his philosophy needs to cease.
He's the coach, not the GM. His job is to play the guys he has at his disposal, not to throw tantrums on who we should or shouldn't get.
If he can't handle it, he should be gone. He's hardly irrepleaceble.

I understand that, but Pelinka committed his precious exemption of 19mil/2 yrs on Harrell who had pretty good ORTG of 123, 21 pts/36 mins and even when AD went down, Vogel DECIDED that Tresz will play 12 mins in game 5 and UNDER 8 mins for the ELIMINATION GAME when it was pretty clear that the Lakers were bleeding for points. Marc who has the size and high bb IQ also barely played. Rob also knew that they badly needed a shooter so he plucked Ben McLemore who played an ave of 9 mins/game.
I really think it's stupid to not even consult with your coach about their concerns and principles bec there will be a fatal conflict between 2 major executives that will surely lead to failure of the team.

I don’t think McLemore would have moved the needle even if he had played. I mean, it’s possible, I just don’t know how likely it would have been. It’s too bad we don’t have have Ty “I’ll keep making adjustments till I find something that works” Lue.

I think Drummond was playing due to politics. That doesn’t bode well as I can foresee a scenario where the Lakers bring him back. If they bring Drummond back then I don’t want Gasol as well as I only want want of those guys back. I would prefer Gasol, but I realize it may very well be Drummond. It’s not my preference, but I won’t lose my mind over it.

In any event, I wouldn’t worry about Vogel not playing Ingles. If Ingles is here he’ll get minutes.

[TylersLakers]

1. Stop posting trades involving S&T Schroder and/or THT plus Kuzma/KCT/Gasol and any other guy on the roster.
For the milionth time, IT'S NOT A LEGAL TRADE PER THE CBA.


We can get multiple players back for a sign and traded player, but can only send the one getting signed and traded back.
ONE **** PLAYER, plus eventual picks. That's it.
That's if the mentioned guy agrees to the salary and going to the team we want to do the sign and trade with. If not see the Bogdanovic to Milwaukee botched deal.

Even if in the eleventh hour, some of you guys get your **** together and start posting legal trades involving the S&T, keep in mind that those guys are FREE AGENTS first and foremost, not slaves. They're not going where are you wanting them to go just because you feel like it. They have the last word, if they don't want to go to the team you're wanting them to go, they won't and that's the end of the story.

Sign and trade deals are NOT the regular trade deals, in which a player has no saying if he doesn't have a no trade clause.


I swear, I'm not even surprised this forum is dying by the minute. I saw guys like Sedale and dock posting on the GB lately and not here. The sheer lunacy of some posts are head scratching to me.
If you don't know the rules of trading, don't **** post. Period.
It's not even the lopsided trades(McKinnie and a 20# pick for Buddy Hield), okay I might be able to live with that. But the fact that 70% or so trades mentioned here are not even legal per the rules of the CBA is the thing that gets me.



2. Joe Ingles was a terrific defender. Stop the white man prejudice. He's getting there in age a lost half a step but he can hold his own. You'd have to be out of your damn mind not to take him for Kuzma if that ever would be a possibility.

I was pretty sure that was the rule which is why most of my deals have been THT sign and trade to _____ for Player A & B. Or Schroder sign and trade to _____ for Player C and D - However, I have heard guys like Zach Lowe and Chris Herring talking about those types of deals. The CBA as it relates to sign and trades is really weird and it's made it almost impossible for a team to acquire a player in a sign and trade unless they're JUST over the cap.

My deals I've suggested that meet CBA rules:

1) Gasol/Kuzma/22 as a package together. It would allow us to acquire a player in the $13-21M range. Ex- Myles Turner, Harrison Barnes, Malcolm Brogdon, etc. Unless you're trading them to a team with cap space. Deal would not be official until after the moratorium as the "Lakers" need to make the selection.

2) THT sign and trades:

to Orlando for Terrence Ross, Michael Carter-Williams (or Mo Bamba which would allow THT to be paid more)
to Indiana for Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb
to Chicago for Thad Young

I haven't seen many good Schroder sign and trades. If New Orleans doesn't match a Knicks offer for Ball, good lord.. Schroder may be looking at MLE type of deals. Far cry from $100 or $120M.

[lazybatman]

I just think the Jazz don’t wish to disrupt too much of what is working for them.
Ingles I feel stays in Utah.

I still feel THT is going nowhere.

They have 1 2nd round appearance in the last 5 years. Define "Working for them".

If they don't improve / switch it up soon, Spida gonna be gone, and they'll be left holding Rudy's 200m d*ck in their hands.

Joe has a career 3ptFG% of 41.4% in 545 games, that last time he shot below 39% was more than 5 years ago, he shot 45% last season. I understand he is almost 34 and Jazz might want to shake things up esp with their salary make up but still, 28 other teams would surely love to get a legit shooter like him. I see Morey salivating over him and would make a better offer like Thybulle plus fillers, same with Pat Riley with Herro/fillers, and other teams that are also looking to make changes like Portland, Washington, Chicago etc.
BTW, Pelinka would be a fool if he doesn't consult with his mr Defense- I don't play weak defenders coach Frank Vogel bec it's a possibility that he won't play him if he is not cutting it when he has to switch to a quick guard.

Ingles is a pretty solid option if it's a straight up swap for Kuz. Good trade for both teams.

High IQ underrated playmaker too along with the shooting. Good positional defender. Love it.

[lazybatman]

I don’t think McLemore would have moved the needle even if he had played. I mean, it’s possible, I just don’t know how likely it would have been. It’s too bad we don’t have have Ty “I’ll keep making adjustments till I find something that works” Lue.

I think Drummond was playing due to politics. That doesn’t bode well as I can foresee a scenario where the Lakers bring him back. If they bring Drummond back then I don’t want Gasol as well as I only want want of those guys back. I would prefer Gasol, but I realize it may very well be Drummond. It’s not my preference, but I won’t lose my mind over it.

In any event, I wouldn’t worry about Vogel not playing Ingles. If Ingles is here he’ll get minutes.

Agree about McLemore & Drum entirely.

While, I feel there might be room to explore what Drum can do, but I don't wanna waste the MLE and hard cap us for him.

I don't think McLemore is a solid post season player, except to run up leads in the early rounds. Be good to have him for the regular season rotations to keep everyone fresh though, but no biggie.

[lazybatman]

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/06/30/rumor-dennis-schroder-looking-for-100-120-million-contract/

Anyone see this? Wtf is going on with this guy? He really think he's worth max money?

[lazybatman]

I was pretty sure that was the rule which is why most of my deals have been THT sign and trade to _____ for Player A & B. Or Schroder sign and trade to _____ for Player C and D - However, I have heard guys like Zach Lowe and Chris Herring talking about those types of deals. The CBA as it relates to sign and trades is really weird and it's made it almost impossible for a team to acquire a player in a sign and trade unless they're JUST over the cap.

My deals I've suggested that meet CBA rules:

1) Gasol/Kuzma/22 as a package together. It would allow us to acquire a player in the $13-21M range. Ex- Myles Turner, Harrison Barnes, Malcolm Brogdon, etc. Unless you're trading them to a team with cap space. Deal would not be official until after the moratorium as the "Lakers" need to make the selection.

2) THT sign and trades:

to Orlando for Terrence Ross, Michael Carter-Williams (or Mo Bamba which would allow THT to be paid more)
to Indiana for Justin Holiday, Jeremy Lamb
to Chicago for Thad Young

I haven't seen many good Schroder sign and trades. If New Orleans doesn't match a Knicks offer for Ball, good lord.. Schroder may be looking at MLE type of deals. Far cry from $100 or $120M.

I like that option 1 trade idea. Dunno if I would give away THT for Ross/MCW/Holiday level players though.

[zuju]

Unlike many of you think, I don't see the need to trade KCP and Kuz this offseason. Both of them were signed as role players. Kuz improved every season and was tasked to different duties on the court. He was always willing to accept all assigned duties

KCP is a great defender. Track records suggested that he more than often start slow coming in the season and play better in the second half. This season is a special one with all agendas disrupted with the offseason shortened and condensed schedule.

While they are only role players instead of stars, it is normal that they did not step up in the playoffs when AD was down. If they step up every time, they are all star players.

I don't see a need of a full overhaul for the Lakers. Keeping core role players is key to continuous success at this stage. Deal with that schroder free agency smart and sign players fitting Vogel's preference and AD is Key

[tamaraw08]

They have 1 2nd round appearance in the last 5 years. Define "Working for them".

If they don't improve / switch it up soon, Spida gonna be gone, and they'll be left holding Rudy's 200m d*ck in their hands.

Joe has a career 3ptFG% of 41.4% in 545 games, that last time he shot below 39% was more than 5 years ago, he shot 45% last season. I understand he is almost 34 and Jazz might want to shake things up esp with their salary make up but still, 28 other teams would surely love to get a legit shooter like him. I see Morey salivating over him and would make a better offer like Thybulle plus fillers, same with Pat Riley with Herro/fillers, and other teams that are also looking to make changes like Portland, Washington, Chicago etc.
BTW, Pelinka would be a fool if he doesn't consult with his mr Defense- I don't play weak defenders coach Frank Vogel bec it's a possibility that he won't play him if he is not cutting it when he has to switch to a quick guard.

Ingles is a pretty solid option if it's a straight up swap for Kuz. Good trade for both teams.

High IQ underrated playmaker too along with the shooting. Good positional defender. Love it.

I understand Kuzma is younger and more athletic but Ingles’ ability to shoot and space the floor is more valued by most teams so I don’t see them setting for a guy who just struggled to hit his shots. Several teams would probably offer better players and picks

[BEazy]

So we do know Pacers are willing to trade Brogdon because the 76ers rejected Brogdon and a 1st for Ben Simmons.