Ben Simmons Trade Thread

[Mik317]

can we stop trying to have the smallest backcourts?

[JRoy]

:cry:

POR doesn’t want Harris for CJ.

I’d do it if PHI adds Thybulle.

LOL.

JRoy has an unhealthy obsession with Thybulle... It's strange. He's probably do CJ for Thybulle straight up. However, I agree with him overall. I think CJ is on a better contract and a better player then Harris. It think there needs to be incentive to make the swap.

I have an obsession with the idea of perimeter defense on a team infamous for its complete absence.

And yes, contracts being equal I would trade for MT straight up.

[Roy The Natural]

:cry:

LOL.

JRoy has an unhealthy obsession with Thybulle... It's strange. He's probably do CJ for Thybulle straight up. However, I agree with him overall. I think CJ is on a better contract and a better player then Harris. It think there needs to be incentive to make the swap.

I have an obsession with the idea of perimeter defense on a team infamous for its complete absence.

And yes, contracts being equal I would trade for MT straight up.

Which is exactly why your opinion is moot. It's objectively dumb. Though I love you fellow Blazer fan. I think you'd be severely disappointed on Thybulle's impact on the Blazers but you've built him up in your mind to be a defensive panacea... He's not. And he's an awful offensive player.

[JRoy]

:cry:

JRoy has an unhealthy obsession with Thybulle... It's strange. He's probably do CJ for Thybulle straight up. However, I agree with him overall. I think CJ is on a better contract and a better player then Harris. It think there needs to be incentive to make the swap.

I have an obsession with the idea of perimeter defense on a team infamous for its complete absence.

And yes, contracts being equal I would trade for MT straight up.

Which is exactly why your opinion is moot. It's objectively dumb. Though I love you fellow Blazer fan. I think you'd be severely disappointed on Thybulle's impact on the Blazers but you've built him up in your mind to be a defensive panacea... He's not. And he's an awful offensive player.

Pretty sure he wouldn’t get lit up but the likes of Austin Rivers and Campazzo.

[Roy The Natural]

I have an obsession with the idea of perimeter defense on a team infamous for its complete absence.

And yes, contracts being equal I would trade for MT straight up.

Which is exactly why your opinion is moot. It's objectively dumb. Though I love you fellow Blazer fan. I think you'd be severely disappointed on Thybulle's impact on the Blazers but you've built him up in your mind to be a defensive panacea... He's not. And he's an awful offensive player.

Pretty sure he wouldn’t get lit up but the likes of Austin Rivers and Campazzo.

He'd also score 2 points a game and give up more than that.... sooooo... But this isn't the place to hash out all that. You've been trying to pony up the whole chest for Thybulle for years now... I like Thybulle, but he's not going to solve the Blazer's problems. He's a bench player on a team that has playoff run aspirations, it is what it is...

The biggest issue I have with you regarding him is that you imply that your views represent anything other then your own views. Some sort of prefacing would suffice to let people know that your view is an antithesis to pretty much every other Blazer fan in existence. Mattise Thybulle at $30M a year is probably undebatable the worst contract in the NBA. At the very least it's neck and neck with the top of the leaderboard.

[JRoy]

Which is exactly why your opinion is moot. It's objectively dumb. Though I love you fellow Blazer fan. I think you'd be severely disappointed on Thybulle's impact on the Blazers but you've built him up in your mind to be a defensive panacea... He's not. And he's an awful offensive player.

Pretty sure he wouldn’t get lit up but the likes of Austin Rivers and Campazzo.

He'd also score 2 points a game and give up more than that.... sooooo... But this isn't the place to hash out all that. You've been trying to pony up the whole chest for Thybulle for years now... I like Thybulle, but he's not going to solve the Blazer's problems. He's a bench player on a team that has playoff run aspirations, it is what it is...

The biggest issue I have with you regarding him is that you imply that your views represent anything other then your own views. Some sort of prefacing would suffice to let people know that your view is an antithesis to pretty much every other Blazer fan in existence. Mattise Thybulle at $30M a year is probably undebatable the worst contract in the NBA. At the very least it's neck and neck with the top of the leaderboard.

Most Blazer fans want to upgrade the defense and move on from CJ. This move does both.

POR has plenty of offense without CJ, who provides nothing else.

His ability to create offense off the dribble is valuable on a team that lacks that capability. Not so much on POR.

[JRoy]

Also, PHI fans, sorry for hijacking this thread.

I’ll show myself out.

[ProcessDoctor]

Morey’s gonna hold out for Beal or Dame until he knows they’re absolutely unattainable.

[the_process]

From this perspective, Harris for CJ helps both teams.

[eyeatoma]

Morey’s gonna hold out for Beal or Dame until he knows they’re absolutely unattainable.

Yup... Or Lavine

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[Cap Levi]

I'll take CJ over Brogdon all day. Better offensive player, better shooter, better at taking the game over. He's out of Portland this summer. There's no denying that. I just hope it's to us. I'd give up Tobias Harris for him and Portland fans seem to like that deal for the most part. It helps out both rosters and it's a fair trade.

And then keep Ben? Feels like a really lateral move for us. Still need to move Ben.

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what will be more disappointing for you…the game 7 loss or them not trading Ben?

[eyeatoma]

I'll take CJ over Brogdon all day. Better offensive player, better shooter, better at taking the game over. He's out of Portland this summer. There's no denying that. I just hope it's to us. I'd give up Tobias Harris for him and Portland fans seem to like that deal for the most part. It helps out both rosters and it's a fair trade.

And then keep Ben? Feels like a really lateral move for us. Still need to move Ben.

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what will be more disappointing for you…the game 7 loss or them not trading Ben?

The loss... We could have won this year if Ben played like he did in the regular season. Playoffs are wide open.

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[DCasey91]

I’ll always look at trades if swapped not from our side. You can put together any package doesn’t equal sense or being logical.

Blazers need defense
We need a backcourt

Obvious is obvious.

Harris and CJ isn’t going to work. Why would the Blazers take on extra money without getting want they need (defense)?

It’s not how a market or wants and needs work.

Trade, that’s what we are doing here not committing highway robbery lol.

Threads were discussed about being wrong on Lowry across this forum. Lol three buyers said no. Masai got nothing. No ones fault that’s how it came to be.

Now look at Lowrys value. It’s less then before on an easier contract.

And no we weren’t winning anything this year.

Two more playoff series’s with Embiid’s health? Haha zero chance.

[Roy The Natural]

From this perspective, Harris for CJ helps both teams.

I don't think he meshes well with Covington which is my reservation. Blazers gave up two 1st round picks for Covington and I have no faith that he's a full-time 3 at this point. I don't want to eat into his minutes or play him out of position for Tobias Harris. He's too impactful at the 4 for that.

[Tomjas]

can we stop trying to have the smallest backcourts?

This

Only reason why CJ might be available is that Portland’s small backcourt didn’t work

Teaming him up with Maxey or Seth or Beal or LaVine is just a worse version of the Blazers as none are as good as Dame

[Roy The Natural]

can we stop trying to have the smallest backcourts?

This

Only reason why CJ might be available is that Portland’s small backcourt didn’t work

Teaming him up with Maxey or Seth or Beal or LaVine is just a worse version of the Blazers as none are as good as Dame

I mean... to be fair, Blazers problems aren't so much their backcourt as they've had league average defenses with this same backcourt. The Blazers primary problem is that they have like 2 playable + defenders in Nurkic and Covington.... and the rest of the team is bad on that end. They roll out lineups of CJ, Simons, Melo and Kanter.... they also have had a coach who is using defensive schemes from the mid-2000's.... It's disastrous roster construction along with disastrous coaching that tanks Portland's defense to historical levels.

[stormi]

From this perspective, Harris for CJ helps both teams.

I don't think he meshes well with Covington which is my reservation. Blazers gave up two 1st round picks for Covington and I have no faith that he's a full-time 3 at this point. I don't want to eat into his minutes or play him out of position for Tobias Harris. He's too impactful at the 4 for that.

Position semantic in 2021?

I don't think they occupy the same spaces on either end of the floor. Roco can't dribble, Tobias wants to play bully ball. Defensively you want Roco against non Jayson Tatum upper tier wings or even guards. You want Tobias on taller forwards since he's a legit 6'8/6'9 with solid mobility.

[Roy The Natural]

From this perspective, Harris for CJ helps both teams.

I don't think he meshes well with Covington which is my reservation. Blazers gave up two 1st round picks for Covington and I have no faith that he's a full-time 3 at this point. I don't want to eat into his minutes or play him out of position for Tobias Harris. He's too impactful at the 4 for that.

Position semantic in 2021?

I don't think they occupy the same spaces on either end of the floor. Roco can't dribble, Tobias wants to play bully ball. Defensively you want Roco against non Jayson Tatum upper tier wings or even guards. You want Tobias on taller forwards since he's a legit 6'8/6'9 with solid mobility.

No... you absolutely don't want Covington against those guys... maybe 5 years ago. But not now. You want Covington to play roamer and help defense which he's ABSOLUTELY ELITE at. You don't want to stick him on the perimeter and have him guard another team's better players. I just watch him all year struggle against top perimeter threats and get moved into a more help/disruption role about 1/4 of the way through the season and shine there.

I don't want to stick Tobias Harris on the top perimeter threats either. So now... I still don't have anyone to stick on top perimeter threats and I have one guy who is elite as a disrupter who can't effectively play that role because another guy is taking up that space.

[stormi]

I don't think he meshes well with Covington which is my reservation. Blazers gave up two 1st round picks for Covington and I have no faith that he's a full-time 3 at this point. I don't want to eat into his minutes or play him out of position for Tobias Harris. He's too impactful at the 4 for that.

Position semantic in 2021?

I don't think they occupy the same spaces on either end of the floor. Roco can't dribble, Tobias wants to play bully ball. Defensively you want Roco against non Jayson Tatum upper tier wings or even guards. You want Tobias on taller forwards since he's a legit 6'8/6'9 with solid mobility.

No... you absolutely don't want Covington against those guys... maybe 5 years ago. But not now. You want Covington to play roamer and help defense which he's ABSOLUTELY ELITE at. You don't want to stick him on the perimeter and have him guard another team's better players. I just watch him all year struggle against top perimeter threats and get moved into a more help/disruption role about 1/4 of the way through the season and shine there.

I don't want to stick Tobias Harris on the top perimeter threats either. So now... I still don't have anyone to stick on top perimeter threats and I have one guy who is elite as a disrupter who can't effectively play that role because another guy is taking up that space.

Shame about Roco... We saw it first hand when he got absolutely torched by a rookie wing in an embarrassing 5 game series loss.

I get the fascination about Ben with Portland fans then, in theory he is the cream of the crop when it comes to man defending. He's a specimen, a generational defender. He can stick with any forward or wing. He can smother little guards. He had Trae shooting bunk percentages in the playoffs, can clamp Lebron, Luka Doncic etc. Tobias certainly isn't bad on that end, but he isn't changing the structure of a defense.

If CJ is your primary trade chip in upgrading your defense and a Ben trade isn't feasible who would you target?

[Roy The Natural]

Position semantic in 2021?

I don't think they occupy the same spaces on either end of the floor. Roco can't dribble, Tobias wants to play bully ball. Defensively you want Roco against non Jayson Tatum upper tier wings or even guards. You want Tobias on taller forwards since he's a legit 6'8/6'9 with solid mobility.

No... you absolutely don't want Covington against those guys... maybe 5 years ago. But not now. You want Covington to play roamer and help defense which he's ABSOLUTELY ELITE at. You don't want to stick him on the perimeter and have him guard another team's better players. I just watch him all year struggle against top perimeter threats and get moved into a more help/disruption role about 1/4 of the way through the season and shine there.

I don't want to stick Tobias Harris on the top perimeter threats either. So now... I still don't have anyone to stick on top perimeter threats and I have one guy who is elite as a disrupter who can't effectively play that role because another guy is taking up that space.

Shame about Roco... We saw it first hand when he got absolutely torched by a rookie wing in an embarrassing 5 game series loss.

I get the fascination about Ben with Portland fans then, in theory he is the cream of the crop when it comes to man defending. He's a specimen, a generational defender. He can stick with any forward or wing. He can smother little guards. He had Trae shooting bunk percentages in the playoffs, can clamp Lebron, Luka Doncic etc. Tobias certainly isn't bad on that end, but he isn't changing the structure of a defense.

If CJ is your primary trade chip in upgrading your defense and a Ben trade isn't feasible who would you target?

Two guys I think about... S&T for Lonzo who isn't perfect, but I'll live with RoCo on the taller/bigger wings if I can throw Lonzo and Powell on guards and smaller 3s. And Marcus Smart who I think can guard 1 through 3 effectively.

Portland needs long defenders who have a chance against most 1-3 perimeter players. I don't mind a singular talent burning Portland from 1 position. They have enough offense to overcome that. But Portland needs a point of attack guy and Harris and Covington ain't it. I think both Lonzo and Smart have proven to be good in that role at this point. I like Lonzo because he provides decent offense as well and can run the offense better then Smart.