Eastern Conference Finals: (3) Bucks vs. (5) Hawks, Part 3 | Bucks win 4-2

[Caped Crusader]

Thats what the Hawks get for crying to the league that the Bucks illegally negotiated with Bogdan before they could.

That had nothing to do with the Hawks. Or at least I thought it didn't.

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[snaquille oatmeal]

I will never understand why teams assign players 3 to 5 inches taller than Young to attack him, but rarely call plays to attack him.

[skones]

Thats what the Hawks get for crying to the league that the Bucks illegally negotiated with Bogdan before they could.

That had nothing to do with the Hawks. Or at least I thought it didn't.

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Bogdan found out he could get 18 million instead of 14 million and then "never agreed to anything."

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[WRau1]

Thats what the Hawks get for crying to the league that the Bucks illegally negotiated with Bogdan before they could.

That had nothing to do with the Hawks. Or at least I thought it didn't.

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Bogdan found out he could get 18 million instead of 14 million and then "never agreed to anything."

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That happened only after Heat, Lakers, Hawks and Knicks complained to the NBA about the situation.

[HurricaneKid]

Trae needs to get reeled in. Hawks were -36 with him in during the series and pretty close to even with him out. He takes bad shots, doesn't get back on D and turns the ball over with jarring frequency. I don't understand the fawning. At all.

In the second to last game of the year the Bucks literally had the opportunity to decide who they would play in the playoffs. Rest people against Miami and they jump into the 4/5 and Bucks play the Knicks in the first round. Instead the team voted unanimously to play Miami. If they do what the rest of the league does there the Hawks play Miami and I'm not sure they get out of the first round. Getting to play a terrible Knicks squad and a self sabotaging 76ers team made it look like the Hawks were farther along than they are. They still have a ton of young talent but they aren't there yet.

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[Caped Crusader]

That had nothing to do with the Hawks. Or at least I thought it didn't.

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Bogdan found out he could get 18 million instead of 14 million and then "never agreed to anything."

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That happened only after Heat, Lakers, Hawks and Knicks complained to the NBA about the situation.

Ah got it. Thanks guys.

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[Sothron]

hawks need to consolidate some talent.

having lots of nice solid players but no real stars that can take over on both sides is going to make what happened in this series an annual thing if they dont

This is what I was talking about in my previous post. People who don't even know anything about the Hawks with comments like this. Our second best player didn't even play in the series. Deandre Hunter was extremely good on both ends of the court this season. We have him and Cam healthy in this series we are going to the Finals regardless of the injuries to Giannis and Trae.

All we need is to be healthy for the playoffs and bring back Collins.

I don't buy into the "well look at the Hawks, that's a moral victory". That's not how sports works. You either win a championship or you are a loser. That's it. You either win the ring or you get nothing. The Hawks had a chance to get the ring and lost. Regardless of whoever wins the Finals the team that doesn't win is still a loser just like the Hawks are now. They had a chance despite the injuries and horrible officiating and blew it. There's no moral victory champions in sports.

i dont know anything about the hawks? i just watched this 9 deep role playing ass for two months straight not to mention 40 years of watching the nba to whatever your talking about. you need to understand its me educating you about your team not the other way around with a comment like that.

so here are the facts. .....outside of game 1 when bud insisted dropping lopez under the basket and we gifted trae 50 this wasnt even a series. did you hear me? this wasnt a series. we busted your ass once lopez didnt play that stupid crap and won 4 out of 5 pretty damn easy.... and even once lopez started full switching then even without giannis we just flat busted your ass the last two games were really blowouts.....hell up 20 first half they were blowouts what else do you need to see? we literally never trailed. it was relaxation watching for me

honestly getting beat in your own gym last night.... your crowd silent and yawning in a closeout game was pretty pathetic. it was disappointing im sure for you but you just waaaay overrate what you have down there for this kind of stage in the ECF. maybe hunter or reddish can become something good but its really your last shot. everybody else on that roster i think we all know they are what they are. you a team full of really nice solid roleplayers.

so i repeat. YOU NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TALENT. there was a reason jrue, khris, and lopez and some scrubs handed all those nice atlanta players their ass the last two games. its because they were the best 3 players on the court the last two nights and all those NON STARS in atlanta just didnt have anything for them

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

[Sothron]

Great run by the Hawks this year, who have as much potential as any team in the league right now. They have a number of talented, young players who could make the leap in the next year or two and become very dangerous. Trae, Hunter, Collins, Huerter, Reddish, and even guys like Okongwu. They have a wealth of riches and if they navigate the extension period well then they can be a great team for a long time. It'll be interesting to see who they decide to pay, but so far their talent evaluation has been very good so I'm optimistic for their future. They're facing their first tough decision this year with Collins. I hope the owners are willing to go into the tax and don't cheap out like the Thunder did.

Grats to Hawks fans, you guys have a lot to be excited about for the first time in my memory. There will be a lot of fun seasons ahead.

If our players and team accept that "just getting there" is good enough then that's the real issue. Look at every championship team and the key players on it. They all said essentially the same thing I did. There's only one team each year that finishes with a winning record. If that's not your team then your team didn't do enough.

When the #8 Hawks took the #1 Celtics to seven games we heard all this before. Look at the Hawks, wow what a moral victory! They will definitely be a champion soon!

And...none of that happened. It didn't even come close to happening.

I am proud of this team for this season. Don't get me wrong. But this can't be the bar they set for themselves. So yes, as much as some people might not like to hear this only ONE TEAM at the end of a season is the champion. Only one team can say they had a good season. Anything else is just losing.

I had that mindset before I played division 3 basketball and still have it now. Anything less than that as a player or coach is settling for mediocrity. They don't give out rings for moral victories or mediocrity. I appreciate your kind words but there is no "grats" to be given out for losing. You either win a championship or you were a loser. There's no participation trophy champion.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

This is what I was talking about in my previous post. People who don't even know anything about the Hawks with comments like this. Our second best player didn't even play in the series. Deandre Hunter was extremely good on both ends of the court this season. We have him and Cam healthy in this series we are going to the Finals regardless of the injuries to Giannis and Trae.

All we need is to be healthy for the playoffs and bring back Collins.

I don't buy into the "well look at the Hawks, that's a moral victory". That's not how sports works. You either win a championship or you are a loser. That's it. You either win the ring or you get nothing. The Hawks had a chance to get the ring and lost. Regardless of whoever wins the Finals the team that doesn't win is still a loser just like the Hawks are now. They had a chance despite the injuries and horrible officiating and blew it. There's no moral victory champions in sports.

i dont know anything about the hawks? i just watched this 9 deep role playing ass for two months straight not to mention 40 years of watching the nba to whatever your talking about. you need to understand its me educating you about your team not the other way around with a comment like that.

so here are the facts. .....outside of game 1 when bud insisted dropping lopez under the basket and we gifted trae 50 this wasnt even a series. did you hear me? this wasnt a series. we busted your ass once lopez didnt play that stupid crap and won 4 out of 5 pretty damn easy.... and even once lopez started full switching then even without giannis we just flat busted your ass the last two games were really blowouts.....hell up 20 first half they were blowouts what else do you need to see? we literally never trailed. it was relaxation watching for me

honestly getting beat in your own gym last night.... your crowd silent and yawning in a closeout game was pretty pathetic. it was disappointing im sure for you but you just waaaay overrate what you have down there for this kind of stage in the ECF. maybe hunter or reddish can become something good but its really your last shot. everybody else on that roster i think we all know they are what they are. you a team full of really nice solid roleplayers.

so i repeat. YOU NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TALENT. there was a reason jrue, khris, and lopez and some scrubs handed all those nice atlanta players their ass the last two games. its because they were the best 3 players on the court the last two nights and all those NON STARS in atlanta just didnt have anything for them

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

atlanta was down 20 in 4 out of the last 5 games. like literally all but two of the 6 games were teetering on bucks blowouts. y'all tightened it up here and there but as a bucks fan it was very relaxing playing against you

and.....the reason we got by you is because despite not even having giannis youre just not all that good. the idea it was your injuries when giannis and ddv were down.....or the old ref thing..... just makes you sound like a child.

bottom line you need a couple 3-1 deals to bring some stars in around that fugazi star you already have. you also need to tighten up that buttercup defense you all play and then maybe youll have something. if you dont pull the trigger all those role players are going to slowly walk. you cant have a team of 10 role guys all making 10-30 mil with no real star and win in this league with that

[Dick Tate]

If only... LOL.
Gotta love that there's some Nets fans still spouting off.
Enjoy your off-season, folks!

[Sothron]

i dont know anything about the hawks? i just watched this 9 deep role playing ass for two months straight not to mention 40 years of watching the nba to whatever your talking about. you need to understand its me educating you about your team not the other way around with a comment like that.

so here are the facts. .....outside of game 1 when bud insisted dropping lopez under the basket and we gifted trae 50 this wasnt even a series. did you hear me? this wasnt a series. we busted your ass once lopez didnt play that stupid crap and won 4 out of 5 pretty damn easy.... and even once lopez started full switching then even without giannis we just flat busted your ass the last two games were really blowouts.....hell up 20 first half they were blowouts what else do you need to see? we literally never trailed. it was relaxation watching for me

honestly getting beat in your own gym last night.... your crowd silent and yawning in a closeout game was pretty pathetic. it was disappointing im sure for you but you just waaaay overrate what you have down there for this kind of stage in the ECF. maybe hunter or reddish can become something good but its really your last shot. everybody else on that roster i think we all know they are what they are. you a team full of really nice solid roleplayers.

so i repeat. YOU NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TALENT. there was a reason jrue, khris, and lopez and some scrubs handed all those nice atlanta players their ass the last two games. its because they were the best 3 players on the court the last two nights and all those NON STARS in atlanta just didnt have anything for them

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

atlanta was down 20 in 4 out of the last 5 games. the reason we got by you is because despite not even having giannis youre just not all that good.

you need a couple 3-1 deals to bring some stars in around that fugazi star you already have. you also need to tighten up that buttercup defense you all play and then maybe youll have something.

Are you not capable of reading? The Hawks had the BEST RECORD in the NBA since Nate took over as coach. We beat a higher seed every round of the playoffs until injuries and refs finally derailed the season. Saying the Hawks are "just not all that good" is laughable. You need to go watch another sport for 40 years if you think a team that made it to the conference finals in their first season with their young core is "not all that good."

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

atlanta was down 20 in 4 out of the last 5 games. the reason we got by you is because despite not even having giannis youre just not all that good.

you need a couple 3-1 deals to bring some stars in around that fugazi star you already have. you also need to tighten up that buttercup defense you all play and then maybe youll have something.

Are you not capable of reading? The Hawks had the BEST RECORD in the NBA since Nate took over as coach. We beat a higher seed every round of the playoffs until injuries and refs finally derailed the season. Saying the Hawks are "just not all that good" is laughable. You need to go watch another sport for 40 years if you think a team that made it to the conference finals in their first season with their young core is "not all that good."

the bucks had the best record in the league over a three year span. nobody cares bro

honestly the last good team in atlanta was built almost exactly like this one. its almost nuts how similar it is.....good coach. good hardworking roleplayers. good regular season team. can beat dysfunction in the playoffs but gets handled easily once a real contender shows up.

again.. my point. all is not lost. there is some youth on this roster so you need to consolidate some talent to avoid this again.... if you donto then what happened the last couple weeks will be the norm in the playoffs for while my man

[Sothron]

atlanta was down 20 in 4 out of the last 5 games. the reason we got by you is because despite not even having giannis youre just not all that good.

you need a couple 3-1 deals to bring some stars in around that fugazi star you already have. you also need to tighten up that buttercup defense you all play and then maybe youll have something.

Are you not capable of reading? The Hawks had the BEST RECORD in the NBA since Nate took over as coach. We beat a higher seed every round of the playoffs until injuries and refs finally derailed the season. Saying the Hawks are "just not all that good" is laughable. You need to go watch another sport for 40 years if you think a team that made it to the conference finals in their first season with their young core is "not all that good."

the bucks had the best record in the league over a three year span. no buddy cares bro

the last good team in atlanta was built almost exactly like this one. good coach. good roleplayers. good regular season.

need to consolidate some talent or what happened the last couple weeks will be the norm in the playoffs my man

The 2015 Hawks team which is the one I believe you are referring to had one big issue though. No superstar. Not one player on that team you can give the ball to and believe, truly believe, that they can win you playoff games. This Hawks team has that in Trae Young. This Hawks team is way deeper than the 2015 team. We had the deepest team in the NBA and it showed. The only reason we were able to withstand so many injuries this season was due to the depth.

Now if another superstar player says "Hey I want to go play with Trae" and they can do what you are talking about with a 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 trade then I'd have to evaluate it on whatever merit the trade proposal would be. But I do think that this same Hawks team just being fully healthy would have won the Finals this year. You can't take a team's second best player off their roster in the playoffs and evaluate it fairly.

I do agree with you that we need to avoid the settling for mediocrity in the playoff mindset that killed us when Bud was our coach.

[ReddoverKobe]

This is what I was talking about in my previous post. People who don't even know anything about the Hawks with comments like this. Our second best player didn't even play in the series. Deandre Hunter was extremely good on both ends of the court this season. We have him and Cam healthy in this series we are going to the Finals regardless of the injuries to Giannis and Trae.

All we need is to be healthy for the playoffs and bring back Collins.

I don't buy into the "well look at the Hawks, that's a moral victory". That's not how sports works. You either win a championship or you are a loser. That's it. You either win the ring or you get nothing. The Hawks had a chance to get the ring and lost. Regardless of whoever wins the Finals the team that doesn't win is still a loser just like the Hawks are now. They had a chance despite the injuries and horrible officiating and blew it. There's no moral victory champions in sports.

i dont know anything about the hawks? i just watched this 9 deep role playing ass for two months straight not to mention 40 years of watching the nba to whatever your talking about. you need to understand its me educating you about your team not the other way around with a comment like that.

so here are the facts. .....outside of game 1 when bud insisted dropping lopez under the basket and we gifted trae 50 this wasnt even a series. did you hear me? this wasnt a series. we busted your ass once lopez didnt play that stupid crap and won 4 out of 5 pretty damn easy.... and even once lopez started full switching then even without giannis we just flat busted your ass the last two games were really blowouts.....hell up 20 first half they were blowouts what else do you need to see? we literally never trailed. it was relaxation watching for me

honestly getting beat in your own gym last night.... your crowd silent and yawning in a closeout game was pretty pathetic. it was disappointing im sure for you but you just waaaay overrate what you have down there for this kind of stage in the ECF. maybe hunter or reddish can become something good but its really your last shot. everybody else on that roster i think we all know they are what they are. you a team full of really nice solid roleplayers.

so i repeat. YOU NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TALENT. there was a reason jrue, khris, and lopez and some scrubs handed all those nice atlanta players their ass the last two games. its because they were the best 3 players on the court the last two nights and all those NON STARS in atlanta just didnt have anything for them

let me educate YOU. You guys were losing game three until that ref intentionally didn't move out of Trae's way and got him hurt. We win that game easy if that doesn't happen. Trae lit your defense up like a Christmas tree when he wasn't hurt. So don't give me the Lopez excuse. Jrue couldn't do anything with Trae neither could your team. It literally took someone injuring Trae to knock him out of the end of game three, keep him out of game 4 and 5 and he came back at not even 50% of himself in game six.

That's without Hunter playing A SECOND in the series. I've watched the Hawks since 1979. We don't need to consolidate talent. We already HAVE the talent. Go back and watch what Deandre Hunter did in the regular season this year, only his second year in the league, and get back to me. If he's healthy we put him on Middleton and he doesn't do anything. There's a reason Hunter carried his team to a NCAA championship. He's an excellent two way player that unfortunately got hurt in the playoffs.

You put a truly healthy Hawks team on the court versus a truly healthy Bucks team on the court and we beat you guys in five games. Hell, I'd honestly call it a sweep because there's no one on your team that can guard Trae let alone Hunter or Reddish. Your team got lucky as hell that the Nets star players got hurt except for Durant. Then your team got lucky as hell that a Hawks team missing its two best players for either the whole series or 3 games in the series.

The only reason you got by us was luck and horrible officiating. The Hawks had the best record in the NBA once Nate took over as coach. That means they had a better record than YOUR TEAM. So no, we don't need to do anything except bring back Collins and stay healthy in the playoffs.

Take the L like a man, this is some pathetic ****. Trae gets calls no one should get and for the series it was 121 to 110 in foul calls.

[snaquille oatmeal]

That had nothing to do with the Hawks. Or at least I thought it didn't.

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Bogdan found out he could get 18 million instead of 14 million and then "never agreed to anything."

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That happened only after Heat, Lakers, Hawks and Knicks complained to the NBA about the situation.

I did some research and the timeline goes like this:
4 days before the trades can start, the bucks announce a trade for bogdan with Sac.
3 days before trade can start the NBA sends a memo to teams to remind them not to tamper before trade deadline after the Hawks file a formal complaint.
2 days before trade can start Bogdan tweets he never agreed to a sign and trade with the Bucks.
after trading starts, Hawks and bogdan agree to a contract.
NBA fines the Bucks 10 million for tampering.
lakers, Heat, and Knicks were not involved.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

trae is not a superstar imo. hes a unique guy and can win you some games but honestly in the long run i think he'll do more harm then good.

collins is a stat machine youre gonna have to pay alot for the stats but doesnt really help you win representatively. hes a tough situation. if you pay him you lose alot of flexibility. if he walks you regress and on a max you regress. tough situation. we had a similar one when we had jabari

heurter is a nice 4th- 5th starter but will lose alot of value once he gets paid

bogdonovich is a nice player but runs hot and cold and cant defend a chair which is going to be an issue in the playoffs for years to come.

capella is eventually gone for the rookie. you wont be able to afford a center above that level. pretty average dudes the both of them.

gallinari is on his way out.

williams is on his way out.

this all comes down to reddish who up until the last couple weeks has looked like a bum.... and hunter who may be the best player on your roster.

to me i think you put a package together with some picks/reddish/heurter or bogs..... and maybe go get a guy. a real guy.

if you dont this may be the peak of your team. thats what it feels like to me. next year you arent going to beat a better team like you did in philly. i think the ceiling here is 2nd round year after year

[Sothron]

If you don't think a 22 year old PG that put up 30/10 in the playoffs against the best defensive teams in the NBA is a superstar we have nothing else to talk about. I honestly stopped reading the rest of your post after you said something that silly.

[StickeeFingaz]

Bogdan found out he could get 18 million instead of 14 million and then "never agreed to anything."

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That happened only after Heat, Lakers, Hawks and Knicks complained to the NBA about the situation.

I did some research and the timeline goes like this:
4 days before the trades can start, the bucks announce a trade for bogdan with Sac.
3 days before trade can start the NBA sends a memo to teams to remind them not to tamper before trade deadline after the Hawks file a formal complaint.
2 days before trade can start Bogdan tweets he never agreed to a sign and trade with the Bucks.
after trading starts, Hawks and bogdan agree to a contract.
NBA fines the Bucks 10 million for tampering.
lakers, Heat, and Knicks were not involved.

The Bucks never announced anything, Woj reported it as a done deal. Somebody from the Bucks must have leaked the deal to Woj but the Bucks never officially announced anything.

[CraftylikeaFox]

trae is not a superstar imo. hes a unique guy and can win you some games but honestly in the long run i think he'll do more harm then good.

collins is a stat machine youre gonna have to pay alot for the stats but doesnt really help you win representatively. hes a tough situation. if you pay him you lose alot of flexibility. if he walks you regress and on a max you regress. tough situation. we had a similar one when we had jabari

heurter is a nice 4th- 5th starter but will lose alot of value once he gets paid

bogdonovich is a nice player but runs hot and cold and cant defend a chair which is going to be an issue in the playoffs for years to come.

capella is eventually gone for the rookie. you wont be able to afford a center above that level. pretty average dudes the both of them.

gallinari is on his way out.

williams is on his way out.

this all comes down to reddish who up until the last couple weeks has looked like a bum.... and hunter who may be the best player on your roster.

to me i think you put a package together with some picks/reddish/heurter or bogs..... and maybe go get a guy. a real guy.

if you dont this may be the peak of your team. thats what it feels like to me. next year you arent going to beat a better team like you did in philly. i think the ceiling here is 2nd round year after year

Yeah Trae is kind of an enigma. He puts up superstar stats, and takes the same superstar shots Damian Lillard and Steph Curry take. But you look at his numbers and he’s actually not a very good shooter. He shot 34% from 3 this year which is pretty wild to think about. Also his defense is bad and he turns the ball over a ton. But he’s also a phenomenal leader and the team around him is well built for his game. Either way he is great for the city of Atlanta, even if a deep dive into his numbers show he is overrated by them.

[Rendei]

Great run by the Hawks this year, who have as much potential as any team in the league right now. They have a number of talented, young players who could make the leap in the next year or two and become very dangerous. Trae, Hunter, Collins, Huerter, Reddish, and even guys like Okongwu. They have a wealth of riches and if they navigate the extension period well then they can be a great team for a long time. It'll be interesting to see who they decide to pay, but so far their talent evaluation has been very good so I'm optimistic for their future. They're facing their first tough decision this year with Collins. I hope the owners are willing to go into the tax and don't cheap out like the Thunder did.

Grats to Hawks fans, you guys have a lot to be excited about for the first time in my memory. There will be a lot of fun seasons ahead.

If our players and team accept that "just getting there" is good enough then that's the real issue. Look at every championship team and the key players on it. They all said essentially the same thing I did. There's only one team each year that finishes with a winning record. If that's not your team then your team didn't do enough.

When the #8 Hawks took the #1 Celtics to seven games we heard all this before. Look at the Hawks, wow what a moral victory! They will definitely be a champion soon!

And...none of that happened. It didn't even come close to happening.

I am proud of this team for this season. Don't get me wrong. But this can't be the bar they set for themselves. So yes, as much as some people might not like to hear this only ONE TEAM at the end of a season is the champion. Only one team can say they had a good season. Anything else is just losing.

I had that mindset before I played division 3 basketball and still have it now. Anything less than that as a player or coach is settling for mediocrity. They don't give out rings for moral victories or mediocrity. I appreciate your kind words but there is no "grats" to be given out for losing. You either win a championship or you were a loser. There's no participation trophy champion.

I'm not sure a team has ever won the title the first year it has made the playoffs unless it's a bunch of veterans who just came together who already know the score (08 Celtics, for example). Growth is a very real thing, and most NBA teams have to fail in order to learn to succeed. Not every team can take that final step, obviously, but it's definitely a good thing to have been there. Your team has claimed a place at the table, and that's a good thing. It's much better to be in contention than not.

The players have to feel the hunger and feel that what they did isn't good enough. That's how they will improve. You, as a fan, do not have to feel that way. You're allowed to be happy with what they accomplished.