Trade Talk (Part Seven)

[Nick K]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

That was really good. Artfully said. Well done.

[Nick K]

When i read this thread i realize how delusional this fanbase is. I usted to be like that as well. But, oh boy...

"Untouchable players"...
"I never felt so confident about our future in years"

Wtf, lol

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

What Do You Want Me To Say?
I was very clear, if you don't like it then it's your problem, wasn't at all a trolling attempt. Is delusional most of the takes i've been seeing lately here when we have such a mediocre roster. Being young doesn't mean anything if the pieces are not that great.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” is crazy to say something like that. I hear the same thing pretty much since 2011 or so.

But to say something like that in this year in specific without a draft pick, without cap flexibility, with players like Dlo earning close to a max contract. I mean...

But whatever. Time will tell as always...
I rest my case.

What do I want you to say? Say you're sorry for being a classless trolling poster. No, it isn't our problem, It's your problem.

[Slim Tubby]

I am going to respond in the off chance you aren’t just trolling, though this seems to be the case.

Part of the disconnect here is that posters use the same words that have different personal meanings to them. For some people, “star” means a top 10 player, for others it means a top 40 player (like Zach LaVine is CHI’s star). I am not a fan of your use of the word “delusional.” And “untouchable,” is a word that gets thrown around a lot, and has different meanings to different people. To you, it may mean, “I wouldn’t trade our player for Luka Doncic!” and to others, it means they are functionally untouchable, meaning they wouldn’t get traded unless it was for an incredible overpay, which isn’t going to happen. I use the cumbersome term, “worth more to us than you,” and we have several players that probably fit that Rosas’ feels fit description, including KAT, DLo, Ant, Jaden, and Naz. These players have specific value locally because of marketing, fan interest, etc. it isn’t always about being a great player - Rosas may value Jaden and Naz more because they make him look like a smart drafter.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” take a look where we are. Many Wolves fans felt we were stuck on a losing treadmill with Wiggins. He’s finally off the team, and in the last few months, when the team got healthy, they actually started to play competitive basketball. Many felt we were on a losing treadmill if Towns didn’t improve defensively, and he is much better on that end this season. And MIN had the youngest team in the NBA, and we should expect to see growth from many players, and we are already seeing big leaps by McDaniels and Ant in their first year. I have no problem with people having this feeling.

It would have been better for you to respond to a post you disagree with, rather than make a blanket indictment about all Wolves fans. But if you really are here for the discussion, you are welcome to respond to my post respectfully.

What Do You Want Me To Say?
I was very clear, if you don't like it then it's your problem, wasn't at all a trolling attempt. Is delusional most of the takes i've been seeing lately here when we have such a mediocre roster. Being young doesn't mean anything if the pieces are not that great.

As for “I haven’t felt as confident in years,” is crazy to say something like that. I hear the same thing pretty much since 2011 or so.

But to say something like that in this year in specific without a draft pick, without cap flexibility, with players like Dlo earning close to a max contract. I mean...

But whatever. Time will tell as always...
I rest my case.

What do I want you to say? Say you're sorry for being a classless trolling poster. No, it isn't our problem, It's your problem.

Thank you, Nick.


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[shrink]

I may have asked this before, but since it was brought up on the Trade Board today ..

Would you trade Naz and Culver for Chris Boucher ($7 mil expiring)?

Do you think Rosas would, since Naz makes him look good?

[moss_is_1]

I may have asked this before, but since it was brought up on the Trade Board today ..

Would you trade Naz and Culver for Chris Boucher ($7 mil expiring)?

Do you think Rosas would, since Naz makes him look good?

I think Boucher is a better fit because of his shot blocking, however he is an expiring and already 28 years old. I could talk myself into it.

[Nick K]

I may have asked this before, but since it was brought up on the Trade Board today ..

Would you trade Naz and Culver for Chris Boucher ($7 mil expiring)?

Do you think Rosas would, since Naz makes him look good?

I wouldn't trade Naz and I'm fairly certain Rosas wouldn't. Naz has improved by leaps and bounds last year. He played great in a reserve Center role. He even played great next to Kat when Finch went there.

I think Naz makes Rosas look good because he's a really good improving young player.

Chris Boucher is a really nice young player. Well, not that young I guess. I like him but with Siakam hurt I think they keep Boucher.

I'm in the minority but i'd like to give Culver one more year before I give up on him. Sometimes these young guy need 3 years to find themselves. Culver needs to put up right now.

[Klomp]

I may have asked this before, but since it was brought up on the Trade Board today ..

Would you trade Naz and Culver for Chris Boucher ($7 mil expiring)?

Do you think Rosas would, since Naz makes him look good?

I think that'd be selling a bit low. I think the fact Naz is on the select team speaks to how he is viewed outside of Minnesota.

[karch34]

I would because as I said on the transactions board we need to get more core pieces. Some of the bad deals like Culver are going to need an asset to move them and the Gupta specials at this point likely have to be moved for players that move the needle and play more than 10mpg. Having cost controlled players for little $ is great but for a team that needs to compete without the top level talent they don’t make sense to hang on to.

[Merc_Porto]

What do I want you to say? Say you're sorry for being a classless trolling poster. No, it isn't our problem, It's your problem.

That's also very common in this board.
Calling someone a troll when the opinion doesn't go with the narrative that we are somehow set for a brilliant future.

I just said this is a very delusional board. Which is true.
I'm just tired of this boring takes all the time. And as a fan of this franchise for a long time now (Maybe more time than you or the teletubbie) and a member of this board I have the right to give my opinion as well.

[jpatrick]

Rumors of talks about a a Fox/Simmons deal. It’s a home run for Philly and interesting for Sacramento. The Fox, Haliburton, Hield backcourt probably can be broken up with Hali moving to full time PG. Still can’t believe they didn’t match on Bogdanovic. He’s really good. But let’s say it’s Simmons, Maxey, and a pick for Fox.

Sac guards: Haliburton, Hield, Maxey.
Forwards: Simmons, Barnes
Center: Holmes.

I like a lot about this except half court creation. Simmons can create on the break but, as the playoff show, he’s not a good offensive player in the half court. Similarly, Haliburton, while a good passer, isn’t someone who’s going to break down the defense.

I know Sacto probably wants a change, just because they’ve been bad for so long (West coast us), but I’m not sure trading Fox is the first step.

[shrink]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …

Maxi has always been a plus defender, but he keeps improving. Coach Carlisle had this to say on Sunday about Kleber's defense. “He has really become one of the better two-way players in the league. There aren't many 6'10 guys that can guard perimeter players and protect the rim

Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

[jpatrick]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …

Maxi has always been a plus defender, but he keeps improving. Coach Carlisle had this to say on Sunday about Kleber's defense. “He has really become one of the better two-way players in the league. There aren't many 6'10 guys that can guard perimeter players and protect the rim

Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

Kleber would probably be our best PF. But he turns 30 next season, so probably not a lot upside there. I would do it if we have no other PF options. However, I’d explore everything else first. Beasley and Kleber both shot 40% from three but that was Klebers first year at that level plus his threes are not the same a Beasley’s. Kleber is being spoon fed by Luka while Beasley can shoot off movement, which is a much more valuable skill.

Green is an okay asset. But after year one, is he going to be any better than Okogie/Culver? Definitely no guarantee of that.

[shrink]

Good post. I would probably throw them Okogie or Culver if they wanted them to finish this deal.

I agree Beasley is by far the better shooter, but Maxi is by far the better defender. The DAL side of the deal had them bringing in a starting PF, so I think the fit is so much better for both teams, since both Beasley and Maxi might have to spend a lot of time on the bench if they stayed on their current teams.

[SO_MONEY]

I saw this on the Trade Board, and I like it.

Malik Beasley for Maxi Kleber and #18 Josh Green

Kleber seems like a great fit, because he does a lot of the things we need. He shot 41% 3P last year, and …

Maxi has always been a plus defender, but he keeps improving. Coach Carlisle had this to say on Sunday about Kleber's defense. “He has really become one of the better two-way players in the league. There aren't many 6'10 guys that can guard perimeter players and protect the rim

Josh Green was one of the best defenders in last year’s draft. He is a poor shooter so far, but if we move Okogie/Culver, he will have an immediate role, and hopefully can develop into something better than either.

Pretty easy pass for me. I might give up a couple of 2nds for Kleber, not Beasley. I think a competitive team with marginal draft capital offers a late 1st or a 2nd or two. Josh Green does nothing to enhance the deal and close the gap in value.

[Klomp]

Rumors of talks about a a Fox/Simmons deal. It’s a home run for Philly and interesting for Sacramento. The Fox, Haliburton, Hield backcourt probably can be broken up with Hali moving to full time PG. Still can’t believe they didn’t match on Bogdanovic. He’s really good. But let’s say it’s Simmons, Maxey, and a pick for Fox.

Sac guards: Haliburton, Hield, Maxey.
Forwards: Simmons, Barnes
Center: Holmes.

I like a lot about this except half court creation. Simmons can create on the break but, as the playoff show, he’s not a good offensive player in the half court. Similarly, Haliburton, while a good passer, isn’t someone who’s going to break down the defense.

I know Sacto probably wants a change, just because they’ve been bad for so long (West coast us), but I’m not sure trading Fox is the first step.

This may be our strongest competition for Simmons

[IceManBK1]

Read on Twitter

?s=20

So Beasley, Rubio, Naz Reid, Culver+2 1st rders for Simmons

I would pull the trigger. Maybe we can get Simmons+Danny Green(Sign and trade) for the above mentioned guys?

Reid has alot of potential. But i think we need a shot blocking center more. Maybe Nerlens Noel with the MLE?

[Norseman79]

Read on Twitter

?s=20

So Beasley, Rubio, Naz Reid, Culver+2 1st rders for Simmons

I would pull the trigger. Maybe we can get Simmons+Danny Green(Sign and trade) for the above mentioned guys?

Reid has alot of potential. But i think we need a shot blocking center more. Maybe Nerlens Noel with the MLE?

Honestly, I think that is the best offer we would give. It doesn't match the Fox trade though. Is what it is

[King Malta]

What do I want you to say? Say you're sorry for being a classless trolling poster. No, it isn't our problem, It's your problem.

That's also very common in this board.
Calling someone a troll when the opinion doesn't go with the narrative that we are somehow set for a brilliant future.

I just said this is a very delusional board. Which is true.
I'm just tired of this boring takes all the time. And as a fan of this franchise for a long time now (Maybe more time than you or the teletubbie) and a member of this board I have the right to give my opinion as well.

Stop being such a f***ing martyr and insulting everyone that doesn't agree with your repetitive copy-paste posts.

Pretty much everything you've been posting on this forum the last 12 months is just repetitive, boring takes about how useless Rosas is and how doomed this franchise is, along with snidey comments thrown in about how everyone's delusional because they can't see it, or how everyone except you misses the point. Not to mention the woe is me comments when people react to your insults and condescension by calling you a troll.

You're right, you're not a troll, you're just being a holier-than-thou p**k at the moment. If everyone's opinions are bothering you this much, find somewhere else to post where they don't.

Get over yourself and stop insulting everybody else for not just accepting your personal narrative.

[Wolves21]

lol and fanbase coming in here and not under standing what where talking about.I am positive most if not all of the Wolves fanbase would trade anyone on this team including Towns,Edwards,Russell if the right deal and player came along.Like say making a trade for Luka,Zion,Trae,Gannis...ect whatever but in terms of trading for Ben Simmons clears Towns,Edwards are untradable and untouchable and more then likely McDaniels and maybe Russell as well.

Again have to think of the player and team your trading with,depending on that makes guys Untouchable when dealing with them and that team alone.

[shrink]

Rumors of talks about a a Fox/Simmons deal.

This may be our strongest competition for Simmons

There is plenty of competition. We weren’t even mentioned in the Vegas odds from a couple weeks ago.

Odds on Ben Simmons 2021-22 team
Philadelphia 76ers: +225
Portland Trail Blazers: +450
Washington Wizards: +650
San Antonio Spurs: +800
Golden State Warriors: +1000
Chicago Bulls: +1200
Oklahoma City Thunder: +1200
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
Houston Rockets: +1500
Utah Jazz: +2000
Indiana Pacers: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2500
Boston Celtics: +2500
ANY OTHER TEAM: +800