2021 Draft Thread

[northoakland510]

Was listening to a Warriors podcast this morning and they said Bouknight only took 9 uncontested shots for the season. How bad was that Uconn team?

[Onus]

I understand why he is falling. Halliburton had a thin frame and a funky shot. Kuminga just wasn't efficient at shooting

Kuminga's got an outstanding NBA body though. He also looks like he has a high BBIQ to me. I would have taken Patrick Williams from last year's draft over him but only just.

Kuminga shouldn’t get past us, but the only reason he’s not talked about favorably here is because he’s definitely going to take a couple years and that’s not really what we want. As a prospect, he seems to be a clear top 5

My bet is that he doesn’t fall. Mocks have him dropping but mocks are mostly bull at this stage. When it’s 2 days from the draft we’ll start getting real info

There’s no way kuminga gets past the magic and thunder who both covet length and athleticism. Unless the gms are replaced

[Old_Blue]

Johnny Juzang withdraws from draft.. probably fine for us unless we were acquiring a late 1st/early 2nd. I get it though - if I were him, and guys like Kispert were lotto picks while I was a fringe 1st, I’d wonder WTF was going on too

2022 draft target though. Would be a great get with the 30th pick

Word is Juzang had a really bad combine showing.

[GSWFan1994]

There’s no way kuminga gets past the magic and thunder who both covet length and athleticism. Unless the gms are replaced

I remember following the draft way back when, and being extremely surprised when Paul Pierce fell to pick 10 and went to Boston... and so many examples before or after this one. Luka to 3. Kawhi to 15. And so on.

Obviously I'm not comparing Kuminga to Pierce, just stating that it can happen. "Stranger things have happened" multiple times throughout the NBA's history.

For our part, we have the be well prepared to make the best decision when the time comes.

[Scoots1994]

The more I read, the more I get the sense that the gap between the #6 pick and the #7 pick is bigger than the gap between the #5 and #6 picks. So, basically, we got royally screwed by dropping down one slot in the draft.

Meh, this draft was always considered a 5 player draft and now guys like Bouk and Barnes are climbing into the top 5. What player do you have at 6 that is another tier above 7?

For me the top 4 are clear. I never had Kuminga in that top group. 5-6 is Kuminga/Barnes. The next group is huge but while for me there is a difference I wouldn't be stunned if something changed in that top 6.

[Onus]

There’s no way kuminga gets past the magic and thunder who both covet length and athleticism. Unless the gms are replaced

I remember following the draft way back when, and being extremely surprised when Paul Pierce fell to pick 10 and went to Boston... and so many examples before or after this one. Luka to 3. Kawhi to 15. And so on.

Obviously I'm not comparing Kuminga to Pierce, just stating that it can happen. "Stranger things have happened" multiple times throughout the NBA's history.

For our part, we have the be well prepared to make the best decision when the time comes.

If we can Jedi mind trick someone into taking bouknight in the top 6 that would be great.

I think it may be possible that sengun moves into the top 6 though, which would drop one of kuminga or Barnes.

[Jester_]

I remember people saying this was the draft to be in, but it doesnt feel strong to me.

Yeah reminds me of the AD/Harrison Barnes draft. Question is, who's the Damian Lillard of this draft and how do we grab him at 7?

[GSWFan1994]

If we can Jedi mind trick someone into taking bouknight in the top 6 that would be great.

I think it may be possible that sengun moves into the top 6 though, which would drop one of kuminga or Barnes.

There are things that I think might happen:

- Bouknight rising rapidly in the workouts. Someone above us might bite on him (I guess Orlando).

- OKC throwing a curveball, as they are known to do. Here enters Sengun. Though I think OKC may be eyeing Barnes, it's Presti's kind of player.

[osx28]

I personally don't want Bouknight at 7 (or probably even at 14), but I do think his shooting will be better than what he showed last year.

His freshman year where he had a lot more c&s attempts he shot 34.7% from 3 and 56% True Shooting overall, this past year I read that 45% of his 3pt attempts were pull ups, and he did have that elbow injury that derailed him a bit.

I could see Bouknight being a 35% 3pt shooter in the league, which I think would be fine if he showed any kinda of passing ability. However, he hasn't, and I'm not too thrilled about using the #7 pick on a worse passing Jordan Clarkson.

Especially since we already have a combo-guard that can actually pass a bit in Poole.

Hey BB, what are your targets for our picks in this coming draft?

Thanks and cheers.

Well, in the "Ideal Offseason" thread I did say my ideal (optimistic) offseason was Barnes at 7 and Moody at 14.

Realistically, barring one of the Top 4 or Barnes dropping, I want Moody or Wagner at 7.

Not sure what I'd do if Kuminga fell to 7.

I haven't really narrowed down who I like at 14.

If kuminga fell to 7 I'd personally would like to trade him down to Sacramento for 9 and Delon Wright. If Kuminga fell to 7 that means it will be almost 100% that either moody or Wagner will be there at 9.

Wright would take care of the backup playmaking need that has some people begging for Mitchel or Giddey at 7, except he is a seasoned vet ready to contribute. That would free us up to take a bit more of a risk at 9 and 14.

I'd like to do that trade regardless of who we get at 7, but doubt Sac would do it for anyone but Kuminga.

[Onus]

Hey BB, what are your targets for our picks in this coming draft?

Thanks and cheers.

Well, in the "Ideal Offseason" thread I did say my ideal (optimistic) offseason was Barnes at 7 and Moody at 14.

Realistically, barring one of the Top 4 or Barnes dropping, I want Moody or Wagner at 7.

Not sure what I'd do if Kuminga fell to 7.

I haven't really narrowed down who I like at 14.

If kuminga fell to 7 I'd personally would like to trade him down to Sacramento for 9 and Delon Wright. If Kuminga fell to 7 that means it will be almost 100% that either moody or Wagner will be there at 9.

Wright would take care of the backup playmaking need that has some people begging for Mitchel or Giddey at 7, except he is a seasoned vet ready to contribute. That would free us up to take a bit more of a risk at 9 and 14.

I'd like to do that trade regardless of who we get at 7, but doubt Sac would do it for anyone but Kuminga.

Delon makes 9m, how are you trading for that contract?

[GSWFan1994]

If kuminga fell to 7 I'd personally would like to trade him down to Sacramento for 9 and Delon Wright. If Kuminga fell to 7 that means it will be almost 100% that either moody or Wagner will be there at 9.

Wright would take care of the backup playmaking need that has some people begging for Mitchel or Giddey at 7, except he is a seasoned vet ready to contribute. That would free us up to take a bit more of a risk at 9 and 14.

I'd like to do that trade regardless of who we get at 7, but doubt Sac would do it for anyone but Kuminga.

I like Delon Wright and think he can be a good role player on the right team, but being the spare change for a trade down from 7 to 9? Hell no.

[osx28]

Well, in the "Ideal Offseason" thread I did say my ideal (optimistic) offseason was Barnes at 7 and Moody at 14.

Realistically, barring one of the Top 4 or Barnes dropping, I want Moody or Wagner at 7.

Not sure what I'd do if Kuminga fell to 7.

I haven't really narrowed down who I like at 14.

If kuminga fell to 7 I'd personally would like to trade him down to Sacramento for 9 and Delon Wright. If Kuminga fell to 7 that means it will be almost 100% that either moody or Wagner will be there at 9.

Wright would take care of the backup playmaking need that has some people begging for Mitchel or Giddey at 7, except he is a seasoned vet ready to contribute. That would free us up to take a bit more of a risk at 9 and 14.

I'd like to do that trade regardless of who we get at 7, but doubt Sac would do it for anyone but Kuminga.

Delon makes 9m, how are you trading for that contract?

Well, his contract actually goes down to 8.5 next year while some of our spare change contracts go up a bit next year. Plus the difference in salary slot between the 7 and 9th picks is about 1m. Add 1.9 from Lee, 1.78, Mulder 1.78, Smiley 1.78 = 7.24m which would be within the 25% of Delon's 8.5 mil next year. You could switch Paschall for Lee and it would work the same. Actually, I'd rather keep Steph's family than EP and keep him happy, but yeah money-wise it works if the deal is finalized once the picks are signed.

[osx28]

If kuminga fell to 7 I'd personally would like to trade him down to Sacramento for 9 and Delon Wright. If Kuminga fell to 7 that means it will be almost 100% that either moody or Wagner will be there at 9.

Wright would take care of the backup playmaking need that has some people begging for Mitchel or Giddey at 7, except he is a seasoned vet ready to contribute. That would free us up to take a bit more of a risk at 9 and 14.

I'd like to do that trade regardless of who we get at 7, but doubt Sac would do it for anyone but Kuminga.

I like Delon Wright and think he can be a good role player on the right team, but being the spare change for a trade down from 7 to 9? Hell no.

Why such a strong no?

Most of the advanced stats show he's better than anyone else in the current warriors roster not named Steph or Draymond. He's a steady ballhandler (almost 3 ast/tov ratio) that can shoot 3s and defend 3 positions due to his decent size. Maybe Sac could send in an extra second rounder to sweeten the pot, but Delon seems to me like the perfect Steph backup and a great running mate for Poole in the second unit. Isn't that what we'd be hoping to get from someone like Mitchell?

In any case, I'd definitely like to know what you think would be good compensation for trading down within the top 10. I mean we still would be getting an excellent pick back, right?

[shazam_guy]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

[shazam_guy]

That should have read, "not sure I agree with everything". I agree with quite a bit, actually.

[RichmondWarrior]

If the projected big 6 are gone, I’m warming up to Bouknight at 7. His team was garbage and the system They ran didn’t create many open shots or good looks. I see a lot of Donovan Mitchell/Bradley Beal/Eric Gordon to his game. Honestly not a big fan of Moody, seems a little average to me, nothing that stands out. At 14 I still like Zaire or Jalen Johnson based on potential. If Mitchell was still there (most likely not) I’d have to think about it for sure...don’t want him at 7 tho.

[whatisacenter]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

Thanks, I like reading all the stuff that I can find whether I agree with it or not.

[whatisacenter]

I have been digging in on Bouknight since the combine and his rising up the boards on some mocks and I am curious to see how you all view him compared to Keon Johnson. I know there may be strong negative opinions on both of them and that you have no interest in drafting them and would rather have Moody but I am curious to see how you rate them. I had Keon Johnson 8th on my first top 15 and Bouk didn't even make the list and now I would have him ahead of Keon.

[FNQ]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

I definitely dont agree with a lot of it, but I love to see Robinson-Earl in their top 10.. a lot of people here poo-pooed the idea that he could even be a FRP in this draft. But I think he's gonna be a very solid NBA player and should be taken in the early 20s, if not the teens. Not a ton of upside, but still

Here's one of the funniest bits though - Moses Moody, FRESHMAN, at #26:

I've seen no shortage of forecasts, coverage and chatter regarding Moody as a guy who'll go in the 10-14 range. I'm just not seeing it. Watched him plenty the past two seasons at Arkansas, and he was a pretty good college player. He's a first-round talent … but for me, the back end of the first round is the more practical projection. I've got reservations over his consistency. I'd put his ceiling a bit lower than where some scouts and GMs have it. Again, this is not to slight the player. I think Moody deserves to be used in the top 30, but I'd take at least 24 guys before him when attempting to predict the next 8-10 years of performance and development.

watched him plenty in 2019-2020 did ya?

[whatisacenter]

Interesting takes from CBS Sports on who will have the best careers as opposed to who will be taken highest.

Not certain I agree, but it's a different perspective.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-mock-draft-2021-scottie-barnes-goes-no-3-based-on-who-is-most-likely-to-have-the-best-nba-career/

I definitely dont agree with a lot of it, but I love to see Robinson-Earl in their top 10.. a lot of people here poo-pooed the idea that he could even be a FRP in this draft. But I think he's gonna be a very solid NBA player and should be taken in the early 20s, if not the teens. Not a ton of upside, but still

Here's one of the funniest bits though - Moses Moody, FRESHMAN, at #26:

I've seen no shortage of forecasts, coverage and chatter regarding Moody as a guy who'll go in the 10-14 range. I'm just not seeing it. Watched him plenty the past two seasons at Arkansas, and he was a pretty good college player. He's a first-round talent … but for me, the back end of the first round is the more practical projection. I've got reservations over his consistency. I'd put his ceiling a bit lower than where some scouts and GMs have it. Again, this is not to slight the player. I think Moody deserves to be used in the top 30, but I'd take at least 24 guys before him when attempting to predict the next 8-10 years of performance and development.

watched him plenty in 2019-2020 did ya?

ha! maybe he was trying to say he saw him plenty the past two seasons since he was on that star studded Monteverde team?