2021 Draft Thread

[Mylie10]

Guys the Warriors have worked out so far if anyone is curious:

Mitch Ballock (Creighton)
AJ Lawson (South Carolina)
RJ Nembhard (TCU)
D.J. Stewart Jr. (Mississippi State)
MJ Walker (Florida State)
Ibi Watson (Dayton)
Marcus Garrett (Kansas)
Matt Mitchell (San Diego State)
Terrance Shannon (Texas Tech)
Yves Pons (Tennessee)
Biram Faye (Senegal / Spain)
Tyson Etienne (Wichita State)
Derrick Alston Jr. (Boise State)
Jaquori McLaughlin (UC San Barbara)
EJ Onu (Shawnee State)
Jordan Schakel (San Diego State)
Jericho Sims (Texas)
McKinley Wright IV (Colorado)
Derek Culver (WVU)
Jose Alvarado (Georgia Tech)
Moses Wright (Georgia Tech)
Aaron Wiggins (Maryland)
Obadiah Noel (UMass Lowell)
Justin Gorham (Houston)
Sam Hauser (Virginia)
Dejon Jarreau (Houston)
Eugene Omoruyi (Oregon)
Jalen Tate (Arkansas)
Terry Taylor (Austin Peay)

Looks like the who’s who of Total Crap!

Pons can defend. Seen him play a few times. Hauser is ok……and Sims can really rebound.

[GSWFan1994]

Bouknight also is small and has bad shooting numbers :shrug:

You've got to analyze the context though.

Bouknight was by far his team's best offensive player and resource of offensive creation.

Plus, as said many times before, he had a shoulder (?) injury in the middle of the season and returned quickly, his numbers suffered due to it.

A simple viewing of one of his highlights videos tells that he's by far a better offensive player than the other 2.

Just to be clear, I don't want Bouknight at 7, IMO there are way better available options. But let's be fair to him.

[Mylie10]

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Man you saved me a bunch of typing. Thanks!

I don’t like late day risers in drafts when games aren’t being played. And I don’t like guys who are redundant to what we have unless the guy is a can’t miss prospect.

We HAVE Poole you dingleberries. We don’t need another 6’4” guy when we have Lee and Poole, and Mulder, etc.

We need a point guard, long wings, or a big man…..and preferably ones that can shoot it.

[GSWFan1994]

Podcast compared I’m to Bridges after Bridges had a big Finals Game 2.

Can shoot, defend any anything else is a big bonus. Supposedly Mussleman is caping big time for Moody.

Sorry, didn't understand your post.

Who is compared to Bridges?

And who is Mussleman? Arkansas' coach?

PS: I'm not from the US and I don't follow NCAA.

[GSWFan1994]

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

Yeah, man. I agree with you. Well said.

I just wanted to see more, both from Moody and Bouknight, related to their ballhandling and passing.

At least it seems like Bouknight has a way better ballhandling skills than Moody, judging from the videos I've seen.

I'd be happy with either of them on 14, though I think there are better options still at that range. Springer, for example.

At 7, no.

But hey, I'm just someone from the other side of the planet who's analyzing from his couch.

[GSWFan1994]

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Yeah, thanks for the polite way of telling people that they are dumb. Much appreciated.

Actually, it could be the case that, as the days have passed, each one of us has refined our opinion about certain prospects, no?

Imagine for a second that someone spent time studying certain prospects and realized he had the re-evaluate his linear thinking about them. Might happen, right? Just once in a blue moon.

Plus, Burks is much different to Bouknight. Burks is taller and more of a slasher, and has a better all-around game. Bouknight has advanced shot creation moves and handles, and seems like a better shooter than Burks, technically-wise. Plus what I've written in the posts above.

[mos_def]

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Yeah, thanks for the polite way of telling people that they are dumb. Much appreciated.

Actually, it could be the case that, as the days have passed, each one of us has refined our opinion about certain prospects, no?

Imagine for a second that someone spent time studying certain prospects and realized he had the re-evaluate his linear thinking about them. Might happen, right? Just once in a blue moon.

Plus, Burks is much different to Bouknight. Burks is taller and more of a slasher, and has a better all-around game. Bouknight has advanced shot creation moves and handles, and seems like a better shooter than Burks, technically-wise. Plus what I've written in the posts above.

I thought people were just watching the games.

[whatisacenter]

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Man you saved me a bunch of typing. Thanks!

I don’t like late day risers in drafts when games aren’t being played. And I don’t like guys who are redundant to what we have unless the guy is a can’t miss prospect.

We HAVE Poole you dingleberries. We don’t need another 6’4” guy when we have Lee and Poole, and Mulder, etc.

We need a point guard, long wings, or a big man…..and preferably ones that can shoot it.

no need to be jerks if you disagree. I am looking at all the prospects again and trying to see what I might have missed the first time around. I never talked about which player would be a better fit for the Warriors but more how they might be slated on a big board. Just to let you know, Moody measured 6'4.5" at the combine and had a whole .5" more standing reach than Bouknight.

Moody seems like he would be a good fit for the Warriors but he is not perfect. I like the way he moves to find open space without the ball and his ability to move his feet on defense. I don't think he will do much more than be a floor spacer on offense and he has a bit of a dip and windup on his catch and shoot release.

Bouknight's biggest weakness is well, his weakness. He had some struggles shooting the three but he had elbow surgery during the year and shot 34% from three before he went under the knife.

[azwfan]

I like Bouknight because he looks dynamic and can get to the rim and score at all the different levels.
I like Moody because he looks like he can be a really good 3&D player pretty much out of the gate.

I think Bouknight has possibility to be a star. I don't really see that with Moody (but didn't think Klay would be a star either fwiw).
I think Moody will probably be better early.

Also I didn't really consider Bouknight early in the process because he looked like a short chucker and I was more interested in a bigger physical profile. But after watching more of him I like him slightly over Moody due to him having a more complete offensive game (aggressive going to the rim, can get his own shot). I'd be happy with either though.

This isn't about changing minds off of workout videos, its about spending more time looking into players.

Initially I most intrigued with Jalen Johnson, then really liked Wagner's defense and size, then Moody (shooting and physical profile). Now I'm onto Bouknight.

[osx28]

I'm warming up on Bouknight. Every draft has a fast riser and this year's it seems like it's him.

I never warmed up to Moody. I can't put my finger on it exactly, he just seems stiff to me.

I will never warm up to Keon. He's small for a SG, and has bad shooting numbers. That's a bad combo in my book.

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

You know,I believe Alec Burks today could help us more than either of those could in the next 2-3 years. I hope we can convince him to come back.

[Onus]

Bouknight also is small and has bad shooting numbers :shrug:

You've got to analyze the context though.

Bouknight was by far his team's best offensive player and resource of offensive creation.

Plus, as said many times before, he had a shoulder (?) injury in the middle of the season and returned quickly, his numbers suffered due to it.

A simple viewing of one of his highlights videos tells that he's by far a better offensive player than the other 2.

Just to be clear, I don't want Bouknight at 7, IMO there are way better available options. But let's be fair to him.

Yea shot creation at inefficient levels just doesn’t excite me, especially when all the player does is score and doesn’t know how to involve their teammates. Even if everything goes right for him from team perspective and injury how much do you really think that raises his efficiency from 54%ts like 58%, 60%?

[FNQ]

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Yeah, thanks for the polite way of telling people that they are dumb. Much appreciated.

Actually, it could be the case that, as the days have passed, each one of us has refined our opinion about certain prospects, no?

Imagine for a second that someone spent time studying certain prospects and realized he had the re-evaluate his linear thinking about them. Might happen, right? Just once in a blue moon.

Plus, Burks is much different to Bouknight. Burks is taller and more of a slasher, and has a better all-around game. Bouknight has advanced shot creation moves and handles, and seems like a better shooter than Burks, technically-wise. Plus what I've written in the posts above.

Suggestible isn't dumb. But you think its a coincidence everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors? Sure, if you want. Happens every year but this year is different!

And I dunno if you were here for it, but those who were know that this exactly parallels Klay and Burks, with all the latecomers switching to the more athletic, higher upside person. I get it - its a lot more fun to do a victory lap if they become a star and making unsexy picks kinda sucks. But there is a pattern here, its pretty easy to see

[FNQ]

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

You know,I believe Alec Burks today could help us more than either of those could in the next 2-3 years. I hope we can convince him to come back.

He really might.. he's one of those frustrating types that shows flashes of getting it, followed by prolonged bouts of WTF

But if he'd come back on a near minimum deal, I think he'd be a great addition to the 2nd unit.. it would likely push Poole to PG, which I'm also OK with, but at that point I'd really hope we have Scottie Barnes to shore up the handling of the 2nd unit

[GSWFan1994]

I like Bouknight because he looks dynamic and can get to the rim and score at all the different levels.
I like Moody because he looks like he can be a really good 3&D player pretty much out of the gate.

I think Bouknight has possibility to be a star. I don't really see that with Moody (but didn't think Klay would be a star either fwiw).
I think Moody will probably be better early.

Also I didn't really consider Bouknight early in the process because he looked like a short chucker and I was more interested in a bigger physical profile. But after watching more of him I like him slightly over Moody due to him having a more complete offensive game (aggressive going to the rim, can get his own shot). I'd be happy with either though.

This isn't about changing minds off of workout videos, its about spending more time looking into players.

Initially I most intrigued with Jalen Johnson, then really liked Wagner's defense and size, then Moody (shooting and physical profile). Now I'm onto Bouknight.

That's a very reasonable take, I agree with you.

Plus, the bolded part is really where it's at.

My preferred options for 7 were, since the beginning, Barnes/Kuminga, if either is left, then Jalen Johnson.

I just think JJ's mix of versatility and upside is tantalizing. I think his character issues are overblown and would be fixable in the right setting we could provide.

There were way worse character issues-related players who were drafted much higher than he's being projected. Josh Jackson, for example.

[FNQ]

I am warming up on him as well. The thing that people say about him is that he is a chucker but he was literally UCONN's offense and he shot similarily compared to Moody. Moody's 2pt FG% was .427 to Bouk's .447 and from 3, Moody was .358 (1.9 - 5.4) to Bouk's .293 (1.7 - 5.7). Not really a huge difference when you look at it from 3pt FG made to attempts per game. I think with more spacing and better looks that Bouknight will shoot the ball just fine. Moody has a great wingspan and he moves his feet well on defense but he is not the athlete or the threat to be a 3 level scorer Bouknight is.

That’s certainly an interesting way to handwave off a 6.5% difference in shooting %. To be sure, it absolutely is a huge difference.

UCONNs offense wasn’t great, nor was Arkansas - especially for Moody, a catch and shoot player who was handling a lot in their weirdly basic Princeton offense.

This argument couldn’t parallel the Klay / Burks discourse any closer.. so many here went all in on Burks - he’s more athletic, more versatile, he’ll shoot better than 29% in the pros because he was his teams offense (seriously - look at Bouk compared to Burks. EERIE stuff. Sophomore, efficiency drop, great defensive tools/little impact)

Here we are 10 years later planting flags for Alec Burks again

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

Man you saved me a bunch of typing. Thanks!

I don’t like late day risers in drafts when games aren’t being played. And I don’t like guys who are redundant to what we have unless the guy is a can’t miss prospect.

We HAVE Poole you dingleberries. We don’t need another 6’4” guy when we have Lee and Poole, and Mulder, etc.

We need a point guard, long wings, or a big man…..and preferably ones that can shoot it.

Biggest worry for me is that Bouknight needed the ball in hand to do most of his damage and despite the constant refrain of how bad UCONN's offense was, he was part of that. He did have to take some bad shots, but quite a lot of them he didn't. I had a lot riding on them beating Maryland and his shot selection was atrocious, and it was of his own doing. Same with USC. No one forces you to take a bad shot with 15+ sec left on the shot clock, thats all on you at some point.

If we're interested in him, we must really believe that he'll get it together defensively and/or he can play off ball more effectively than he did. But yeah, tough seeing him and Poole working well together. If we're dealing Poole, I'm much more on board. If not, we're kneecapping a developing player with 2 years in the system for a new guy who may not even fit. Thats what lotto teams do as they fumble around trying to find stars, winning teams should not be doing that crap

[FNQ]

I like Bouknight because he looks dynamic and can get to the rim and score at all the different levels.
I like Moody because he looks like he can be a really good 3&D player pretty much out of the gate.

I think Bouknight has possibility to be a star. I don't really see that with Moody (but didn't think Klay would be a star either fwiw).
I think Moody will probably be better early.

Also I didn't really consider Bouknight early in the process because he looked like a short chucker and I was more interested in a bigger physical profile. But after watching more of him I like him slightly over Moody due to him having a more complete offensive game (aggressive going to the rim, can get his own shot). I'd be happy with either though.

This isn't about changing minds off of workout videos, its about spending more time looking into players.

Initially I most intrigued with Jalen Johnson, then really liked Wagner's defense and size, then Moody (shooting and physical profile). Now I'm onto Bouknight.

That's a very reasonable take, I agree with you.

Plus, the bolded part is really where it's at.

My preferred options for 7 were, since the beginning, Barnes/Kuminga, if either is left, then Jalen Johnson.

I just think JJ's mix of versatility and upside is tantalizing. I think his character issues are overblown and would be fixable in the right setting we could provide.

There were way worse character issues-related players who were drafted much higher than he's being projected. Josh Jackson, for example.

And what drove people to look deeper?

Look, be mad about it. I can see you are, but this isnt a coincidence. When someone starts being mocked to a team, that team's fans do a deep dive on the player and find what they like about them. Simple. It happened with Scottie Barnes, it happened with Moody, and its happening with Bouknight. It will happen to any other player thats mocked to the Warriors with any kind of fervor. If Keon Johnson was mocked to us like Bouknight has been, this place would be littered with people changing their mind on Keon Johnson. So on and so forth. Its just how it is, and denying it or getting angry when someone points it out doesn't change it

[GSWFan1994]

Yea shot creation at inefficient levels just doesn’t excite me, especially when all the player does is score and doesn’t know how to involve their teammates. Even if everything goes right for him from team perspective and injury how much do you really think that raises his efficiency from 54%ts like 58%, 60%?

I know, I agree with you. That's why I said I don't want him at pick 7.

At 14, however, it's a good option, though I like other players besides him (Ziaire, Springer). Jalen Johnson if available, as well.

Plus, we already have a similar player on the roster (Poole).

Besides all that, and I'm playing the devil's advocate here, if the team identified Bouknight as clearly the best player at that range (7), then the reasoning must be what me (& others) tried to explain in previous posts.

Listen, in certain situations you can't isolate a single variable ("Bouknight has a bad TS%, for example) and go from there. You have to analyze the context, or at least, more variables.

I always remember this great quote by Andrew Lang:

"Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination."

Not saying that you do it yourself, just that I've seen this rationale lots of time in the forums.

[GSWFan1994]

Suggestible isn't dumb. But you think its a coincidence everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors? Sure, if you want. Happens every year but this year is different!

And I dunno if you were here for it, but those who were know that this exactly parallels Klay and Burks, with all the latecomers switching to the more athletic, higher upside person. I get it - its a lot more fun to do a victory lap if they become a star and making unsexy picks kinda sucks. But there is a pattern here, its pretty easy to see

"Everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors"

Everyone, who? What I see here is lots of people debating if Bouknight would be a good, reasonable pick at 7. But I see no consensus, though. On the contrary, I see lots of people against the pick.

So, who changed the tune? Was it me? Of course not, just read what I've wrote about Bouknight since the past month.

That being said, if he's being talked about as a target for the Warriors at 7, then it's perfectly reasonable, at least from my point of view, to engage a debate on him, either by posting here in the forums, or studying about this prospect, or by doing both. Which is what is currently happening. I just want to understand the Warriors' point of view so I can see if my own is reflecting the reality of the matter.

Now, when you come here and post this:

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

... you're implying that exactly the opposite is happening, that they don't have critical self-analysis, that they can't think for themselves and just blindly accept whatever's thrown in front of them. And that, IMO, is just not a polite way of debating here.

And nobody's doing or planning to do "victory laps" here - just read what I've been writing about Bouknight on previous posts and other threads. That makes no sense. It's just downright trolling by this point.

[GSWFan1994]

And what drove people to look deeper?

Look, be mad about it. I can see you are, but this isnt a coincidence. When someone starts being mocked to a team, that team's fans do a deep dive on the player and find what they like about them. Simple. It happened with Scottie Barnes, it happened with Moody, and its happening with Bouknight. It will happen to any other player thats mocked to the Warriors with any kind of fervor. If Keon Johnson was mocked to us like Bouknight has been, this place would be littered with people changing their mind on Keon Johnson. So on and so forth. Its just how it is, and denying it or getting angry when someone points it out doesn't change it

Come on. Get off your high horse. This is just unnecessary.

[FNQ]

Suggestible isn't dumb. But you think its a coincidence everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors? Sure, if you want. Happens every year but this year is different!

And I dunno if you were here for it, but those who were know that this exactly parallels Klay and Burks, with all the latecomers switching to the more athletic, higher upside person. I get it - its a lot more fun to do a victory lap if they become a star and making unsexy picks kinda sucks. But there is a pattern here, its pretty easy to see

"Everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors"

Everyone, who? What I see here is lots of people debating if Bouknight would be a good, reasonable pick at 7. But I see no consensus, though. On the contrary, I see lots of people against the pick.

So, who changed the tune? Was it me? Of course not, just read what I've wrote about Bouknight since the past month.

That being said, if he's being talked about as a target for the Warriors at 7, then it's perfectly reasonable, at least from my point of view, to engage a debate on him, either by posting here in the forums, or studying about this prospect, or by doing both. Which is what is currently happening. I just want to understand the Warriors' point of view so I can see if my own is reflecting the reality of the matter.

Now, when you come here and post this:

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

... you're implying that exactly the opposite is happening, that they don't have critical self-analysis, that they can't think for themselves and just blindly accept whatever's thrown in front of them. And that, IMO, is just not a polite way of debating here.

And nobody's doing or planning to do "victory laps" here - just read what I've been writing about Bouknight on previous posts and other threads. That makes no sense. It's just downright trolling by this point.

Wow man, quite a bit of projecting there.

Calm down, and then consider:

- few liked Scottie Barnes at 7 when the lottery finished
- Warriors get Barnes mocked to them consistently
- people start coming around on Barnes

- no one was talking about Bouknight as a guy they'd like at 7
- Warriors get aggressively mocked as taking Bouknight at 7
- Warriors fans start warming up to Bouknight

Again, if you take this personally, thats on you. I cant control sensitivity. But what I can point out is that when a fanbase is suggested a certain player, they dive into the player. And the only way to dive into players is boxscore stats and highlight videos, unless they are actually going back and watching full games of the player which would legitimately highlight pros and cons. So then the fanbase comes around on a player they previously had no interest in.

Rinse. Repeat.

Being mad about it doesn't change how it works.