2021 Draft Thread

[FNQ]

And what drove people to look deeper?

Look, be mad about it. I can see you are, but this isnt a coincidence. When someone starts being mocked to a team, that team's fans do a deep dive on the player and find what they like about them. Simple. It happened with Scottie Barnes, it happened with Moody, and its happening with Bouknight. It will happen to any other player thats mocked to the Warriors with any kind of fervor. If Keon Johnson was mocked to us like Bouknight has been, this place would be littered with people changing their mind on Keon Johnson. So on and so forth. Its just how it is, and denying it or getting angry when someone points it out doesn't change it

Come on. Get off your high horse. This is just unnecessary.

Man you're the one who's taking it like its a personal shot. Its not. It is an observation that happens to pretty much every fan. I'm sorry if I respect original takes more, because thats what is the *true* analysis of posters without an invisible hand driving their opinions. That's much more interesting to me.

[azwfan]

Suggestible isn't dumb. But you think its a coincidence everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors? Sure, if you want. Happens every year but this year is different!

And I dunno if you were here for it, but those who were know that this exactly parallels Klay and Burks, with all the latecomers switching to the more athletic, higher upside person. I get it - its a lot more fun to do a victory lap if they become a star and making unsexy picks kinda sucks. But there is a pattern here, its pretty easy to see

"Everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors"

Everyone, who? What I see here is lots of people debating if Bouknight would be a good, reasonable pick at 7. But I see no consensus, though. On the contrary, I see lots of people against the pick.

So, who changed the tune? Was it me? Of course not, just read what I've wrote about Bouknight since the past month.

That being said, if he's being talked about as a target for the Warriors at 7, then it's perfectly reasonable, at least from my point of view, to engage a debate on him, either by posting here in the forums, or studying about this prospect, or by doing both. Which is what is currently happening. I just want to understand the Warriors' point of view so I can see if my own is reflecting the reality of the matter.

Now, when you come here and post this:

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

... you're implying that exactly the opposite is happening, that they don't have critical self-analysis, that they can't think for themselves and just blindly accept whatever's thrown in front of them. And that, IMO, is just not a polite way of debating here.

And nobody's doing or planning to do "victory laps" here - just read what I've been writing about Bouknight on previous posts and other threads. That makes no sense. It's just downright trolling by this point.

Wow man, quite a bit of projecting there.

Calm down, and then consider:

- few liked Scottie Barnes at 7 when the lottery finished
- Warriors get Barnes mocked to them consistently
- people start coming around on Barnes

- no one was talking about Bouknight as a guy they'd like at 7
- Warriors get aggressively mocked as taking Bouknight at 7
- Warriors fans start warming up to Bouknight

Again, if you take this personally, thats on you. I cant control sensitivity. But what I can point out is that when a fanbase is suggested a certain player, they dive into the player. And the only way to dive into players is boxscore stats and highlight videos, unless they are actually going back and watching full games of the player which would legitimately highlight pros and cons. So then the fanbase comes around on a player they previously had no interest in.

Rinse. Repeat.

Being mad about it doesn't change how it works.

Barnes was the first guy I liked... well before the lottery took place. When we landed at 7 I stopped looking at him (and haven't seen anyone mock him lower than 6 since then). I think your timeline may be off here. But keep up the schtick its entertaining.

[TB]

I wanted the defensive guy, Singleton over Burks or Klay.

I'm starting to like the defensive guy, Wagner over Bouknight or Moody.

Maybe i'll sit this one out.... lol

[FNQ]

Barnes was the first guy I liked... well before the lottery took place. When we landed at 7 I stopped looking at him (and haven't seen anyone mock him lower than 6 since then). I think your timeline may be off here. But keep up the schtick its entertaining.

If it doesnt apply, why do you guys get so salty about it? I dont get it. If you watch a player more, you will find more you like. So how do you select players you zoom in on?

[killmongrel]

Suggestible isn't dumb. But you think its a coincidence everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors? Sure, if you want. Happens every year but this year is different!

And I dunno if you were here for it, but those who were know that this exactly parallels Klay and Burks, with all the latecomers switching to the more athletic, higher upside person. I get it - its a lot more fun to do a victory lap if they become a star and making unsexy picks kinda sucks. But there is a pattern here, its pretty easy to see

"Everyone here's tune is changing on Bouknight ever since he was mocked to the Warriors"

Everyone, who? What I see here is lots of people debating if Bouknight would be a good, reasonable pick at 7. But I see no consensus, though. On the contrary, I see lots of people against the pick.

So, who changed the tune? Was it me? Of course not, just read what I've wrote about Bouknight since the past month.

That being said, if he's being talked about as a target for the Warriors at 7, then it's perfectly reasonable, at least from my point of view, to engage a debate on him, either by posting here in the forums, or studying about this prospect, or by doing both. Which is what is currently happening. I just want to understand the Warriors' point of view so I can see if my own is reflecting the reality of the matter.

Now, when you come here and post this:

It’s weird to see opinions shift so dramatically when not a single game has been played.. so either a workout video changed minds, or people are quite suggestible to whatever mocks tell them

... you're implying that exactly the opposite is happening, that they don't have critical self-analysis, that they can't think for themselves and just blindly accept whatever's thrown in front of them. And that, IMO, is just not a polite way of debating here.

And nobody's doing or planning to do "victory laps" here - just read what I've been writing about Bouknight on previous posts and other threads. That makes no sense. It's just downright trolling by this point.

Wow man, quite a bit of projecting there.

Calm down, and then consider:

- few liked Scottie Barnes at 7 when the lottery finished
- Warriors get Barnes mocked to them consistently
- people start coming around on Barnes

- no one was talking about Bouknight as a guy they'd like at 7
- Warriors get aggressively mocked as taking Bouknight at 7
- Warriors fans start warming up to Bouknight

Again, if you take this personally, thats on you. I cant control sensitivity. But what I can point out is that when a fanbase is suggested a certain player, they dive into the player. And the only way to dive into players is boxscore stats and highlight videos, unless they are actually going back and watching full games of the player which would legitimately highlight pros and cons. So then the fanbase comes around on a player they previously had no interest in.

Rinse. Repeat.

Being mad about it doesn't change how it works.

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

[FNQ]

I wanted the defensive guy, Singleton over Burks or Klay.

I'm starting to like the defensive guy, Wagner over Bouknight or Moody.

Maybe i'll sit this one out.... lol

lol there was a time when we were so atrocious on defense that it was all we cared about... we talked ourselves into liking Udoh, Biyombo, and all other kinds of one note defenders. I blame Cohan

Wagner and Tre.. I get it. I dont like em personally enough to take them in the lottery, but I get it

[FNQ]

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

[azwfan]

Barnes was the first guy I liked... well before the lottery took place. When we landed at 7 I stopped looking at him (and haven't seen anyone mock him lower than 6 since then). I think your timeline may be off here. But keep up the schtick its entertaining.

If it doesnt apply, why do you guys get so salty about it? I dont get it. If you watch a player more, you will find more you like. So how do you select players you zoom in on?

FWIW, you are the one who seems salty. LOL

[Onus]

Yea shot creation at inefficient levels just doesn’t excite me, especially when all the player does is score and doesn’t know how to involve their teammates. Even if everything goes right for him from team perspective and injury how much do you really think that raises his efficiency from 54%ts like 58%, 60%?

I know, I agree with you. That's why I said I don't want him at pick 7.

At 14, however, it's a good option, though I like other players besides him (Ziaire, Springer). Jalen Johnson if available, as well.

Plus, we already have a similar player on the roster (Poole).

Besides all that, and I'm playing the devil's advocate here, if the team identified Bouknight as clearly the best player at that range (7), then the reasoning must be what me (& others) tried to explain in previous posts.

Listen, in certain situations you can't isolate a single variable ("Bouknight has a bad TS%, for example) and go from there. You have to analyze the context, or at least, more variables.

I always remember this great quote by Andrew Lang:

"Some individuals use statistics as a drunk man uses lamp-posts — for support rather than for illumination."

Not saying that you do it yourself, just that I've seen this rationale lots of time in the forums.

You can re-analyze and try to find a better light but I can’t find anything more than a 6th man.

[azwfan]

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

[Onus]

I wanted the defensive guy, Singleton over Burks or Klay.

I'm starting to like the defensive guy, Wagner over Bouknight or Moody.

Maybe i'll sit this one out.... lol

Wagner would help a lot and would give us a 5th player that should be able to do it all. Dribble, shoot, pass, play defense.

[FNQ]

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

Like which? I'm checking NBA.com, espn.com, CBS, that new dean guy who's pretty good, nbadraft.net... I've seen Mitchell mocked to us once. Barnes and Bouknight have been there for quite some time on most.

I did see Mitchell mocked to us at 14 on several sites, but early on. Now mocks like him higher

[Onus]

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

If Mitchell’s 3 point shooting is for real he has the makings of an all star

[azwfan]

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

Like which? I'm checking NBA.com, espn.com, CBS, that new dean guy who's pretty good, nbadraft.net... I've seen Mitchell mocked to us once. Barnes and Bouknight have been there for quite some time on most.

I did see Mitchell mocked to us at 14 on several sites, but early on. Now mocks like him higher

The ringer has him mocked to us right now.
I know someone at ESPN had him mocked to us.
SI has him mocked to us right now.
I know more than 1 of the podcasts had him mocked to us.
Davion Mitchell was DEFINITELY the early horse out of the gate mocked to the Warriors. The Bouknight stuff has come... I don't know last week or 2?

[killmongrel]

To be fair, I saw a lot of mock drafts that had GS taking Mitchell at 7.

I have yet to see a big movement of Warrior fans warming up to him.

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

The truth is, I admit that I am nowhere near as educated on this stuff as most of you guys. I'm just reading and learning about these prospects along the way. But I'm just being fair here. When I first started taking a look at mock drafts, a lot of them had Mitchell at 7.

But like I said, I've seen way more Warrior fans adamant about not wanting to draft the guy. The possibility of a 6ft tall pg whose shooting is questionable is not going over well with the fanbase.

[azwfan]

I didnt see a lot, but I did see him move up and there were people beating the drum on him. But nowhere near the Bouknight stuff, he's mocked to us almost everywhere these days

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

If Mitchell’s 3 point shooting is for real he has the makings of an all star

Sure. Do you think its for real? He's a 65% free throw shooter.

[FNQ]

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

Like which? I'm checking NBA.com, espn.com, CBS, that new dean guy who's pretty good, nbadraft.net... I've seen Mitchell mocked to us once. Barnes and Bouknight have been there for quite some time on most.

I did see Mitchell mocked to us at 14 on several sites, but early on. Now mocks like him higher

The ringer has him mocked to us right now.
I know someone at ESPN had him mocked to us.
SI has him mocked to us right now.
I know more than 1 of the podcasts had him mocked to us.
Davion Mitchell was DEFINITELY the early horse out of the gate mocked to the Warriors. The Bouknight stuff has come... I don't know last week or 2?

Disagree there, everyone had Barnes to us early. I think they readjusted once they figured Barnes made it a 6 man draft but post lotto, everywhere had us taking Barnes, all of them reasoning it was a Draymond/Iguodala replacement.

Bouknight stuff came out super early, which is why I'm not worried about it.. we're not going to leak who we really like 3 weeks before the draft. Anyone who we're tied to this early screams smokescreen, especially since I'm not hearing any other team really pushing for him. Or any team really talking about anyone, really

[whatisacenter]

I can post later when I am back to a laptop but I think most mocks still have us taking Mitchell. I have not actually seen a mock with us at taking Bouknight but have seen some or heard podcasts with him going in the top 6.

[killmongrel]

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

If Mitchell’s 3 point shooting is for real he has the makings of an all star

Sure. Do you think its for real? He's a 65% free throw shooter.

What was Deni Avdija's in the Israeli League? Wasn't that one of the red flags about him? He ended up shooting 31% from 3 and a 64% FT shooter.

[Onus]

Most major publications have had Mitchell mocked to us. No idea if they have Bouknight to us now, but I know at one point everyone and their mama had that 65% free throw shooter midget mocked to us.

If Mitchell’s 3 point shooting is for real he has the makings of an all star

Sure. Do you think its for real? He's a 65% free throw shooter.

I do. And I know I’m the only one that does. He took more 3s this year than he did fts. He took 141 3s while only taking 64 fts, which sample size should we use?

It’s not like he was just taking a low volume amount of 3s and just catch and shoot in the corner 3s. He took a lot of self created 3s. He gets great separation for his jumper because defenders are deathly afraid of his explosion and speed.