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[thebuzzardman]

Lowry is the guy. Better defender than Conley and more durable (so far). Proven winner. 2 years, healthy salary... give him the keys and ask him to take us to the next level like CP3 did with his teams.

You start with Lowry, RJ, Randle, and Mitch and then add great fitting pieces around them. Rose is one. And we got 3 draft picks to add even more. Pluss additional cap.

I want to raise an issue that comes up when CP3 or Lowry or Conley comes up.

First off lets get out of the way that all 3 would be great for the Knicks at PG and vastly improve the starting PG job.

But the potential selling point of all 3 is that they probably will take a 2 year deal, though I'm not sure of that with CP3 anymore.
Anyway, the 2 year deal is touted for cap flexibility, and I get the feeling that is stated with the idea that after 2 years, Knicks can sign another guy etc.

But can they?

Again, let me get out of the way that I'm fan of 3 years instead of 4 and 2 years instead of 3 every time.
But within that 2 year window, we have to sort of assume Randle gets extended or maxed - with the somewhat different salary ramifications, and RJ gets his first good sized deal. Mitch may or may not be up for an extension.
Players like Ball or Sexton or Powell or Beal or Fournier might be on the team as well. I mean, I hope we are doing more than signing Conley or Lowry.

Feels like even if you sign these guys for 2 years, after 2 years Knicks are still capped out.
Again, the more flexibility the better, but I wonder how much flexibility the Knicks are going to have for the next 4 years, minus trades.

Discuss.

It would, under this approach behoove the Knicks to try to get Randle to agree to an extension. Not only is the dollar amount per less the duration is less. That would create more flexibility by default. IF you are going to go for a guy like Lowry or Conley then you are saying that we are trying to do something now. No adding either guy won't give you a championship but it will make your team better than the team this past season. Called improvement. What that does is it makes this team more attractive, more of a winner. To what end? I don't know, but to the end that being more attractive and viewed as more of a legit organization will get you. IF that's the goal of this front office then that would be a smart move. Now if that's not the goal of this front office, then obviously it doesn't make sense to go after either guy unless for some reason Conley is willing to take a 1+1 (maybe big dollar this upcoming season with a team option for the next)? "Big dollar" is relative to the market (before anyone panics).

Now if the Knicks feel the need to "line up" whomever they get with their current core then fine. But folks need to open up their eyes and realize that NO ONE is going to trade a top tier PG in their prime for the 3 2021 1st round picks and Kevin Knox LOL. The Bulls aren't trading Zach LaVine for that "Knick Fan Fantasy" package, the Blazers aren't trading Damian Lillard for that package, the Thunder aren't trading SGA for that package, etc., etc., etc. It's funny cause the same folks that don't want guys like Lowry or Conley for basically no asset cost seem to think they can keep the valuable Knick assets and get one of the clearly BETTER guys. They want much better but aren't willing to trade what it takes. And then when you throw that ice water at them, then it's the just play Rose and IQ at PG then.

I agree with all you said. And not inferring you are among those that think Lowry or Conley would then open the possibility to going after "free agent X" in 2 years.

I'm just clarifying that it would cap the Knicks out, when taking into consideration what is going to happen with the Randle scenarios (extension or getting to end of this contract/sign), RJ, possibly Mitch, and then whoever is signed to go with Lowry or Conley, as I'd hope that's not the only move that's happening.

But yeah, the Knicks mediocre grab bag isn't getting SGA or Lillard, so I'd hope the Knicks can sign a vet PG for cash, with my wish list being CP3, and then Conley or Lowry - each of two years. Yeah, CP3 probably isn't happening.

This makes Sexton interesting, as he's pretty good, but would cost less than SGA or Lillard.
I still think it's a couple of picks OR maybe 1 pick and Love...but then that's kind of the team.

[NYK-Mentality85]

Knicks have to think long term here.

Zion Williamson wants to play in MSG alongside R.J. Barrett & NYC.

We've gotta protect our cap space and keep building around Julius Randle and through the draft in order to keep adding talent around Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Mitchell Robinson and Obi Toppin.

The days of throwing money at mediocre to above average players at best should be a thing of the past.

[nykballa2k4]

That's not the point (a finals run). You're trying to improve and CLEARLY the biggest position of need from an improvement standpoint is starting PG. So how do you exactly IMPROVE when you just bring back the guy that everyone (apparently except you) realize CANNOT play starting PG minutes as your starting PG? That's not improving...that's punting (at best) the biggest positional need. There's no reason for this at all...at all. Just because you can't win a championship doesn't mean you give up and punt another year. And if the Knicks don't come up with something more than Derek Rose as a platoon PG (with whom? IQ?) they might as well just give up.

We have two picks in the 1st. We signed Vildozer. IQ could play minutes at point guard. There is always a possibility to bring back Frank or even Elf for a year. Maybe we get a SRP off the Hawks to take on Dunn? There are a ton of 'meh' options. sometimes it's better to hit pause than make a purchase and wait for a better time to buy. Your perspective is completely legitimate that we need to upgrade at point guard to keep up with the Jones's. Also legitimate is the idea maybe we don't take that step and see if we can make a leap past them in a years time.

How DARE you even contemplate that!

Knicks can think of 10 million ways to say they are sorry for benching him

[Juco24]

Knicks have to think long term here.

Zion Williamson wants to play in MSG alongside R.J. Barrett & NYC.

We've gotta protect our cap space and keep building around Julius Randle and through the draft in order to keep adding talent around Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Mitchell Robinson and Obi Toppin.

The days of throwing money at mediocre to above average players at best should be a thing of the past.

[HarthorneWingo]

Knicks have to think long term here.

Zion Williamson wants to play in MSG alongside R.J. Barrett & NYC.

We've gotta protect our cap space and keep building around Julius Randle and through the draft in order to keep adding talent around Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Mitchell Robinson and Obi Toppin.

The days of throwing money at mediocre to above average players at best should be a thing of the past.

Zion will only be a RFA. NOLA can and will match any offer.

[DaGawd]

Knicks have to think long term here.

Zion Williamson wants to play in MSG alongside R.J. Barrett & NYC.

We've gotta protect our cap space and keep building around Julius Randle and through the draft in order to keep adding talent around Immanuel Quickley, R.J. Barrett, Mitchell Robinson and Obi Toppin.

The days of throwing money at mediocre to above average players at best should be a thing of the past.

Zion will only be a RFA. NOLA can and will match any offer.

Yeah… I have yet to see any of these players really put their money where their mouth is and take the QO if they want out.. realistically Zion is a Pelican for at least 4 more years

[HarthorneWingo]

Zion will only be a RFA. NOLA can and will match any offer.

Yeah… I have yet to see any of these players really put their money where their mouth is and take the QO if they want out.. realistically Zion is a Pelican for at least 4 more years

And we already have Randle at that position.

We have to get real about who are options are this summer. And if Thibs is the kind of coach I believe him to be, then he values continuity.

For example, I think he’d prefer to bring back Bullock than sign Derozan.

The one move (trade or FA) of significance I see us definitely making will be at PG, where we only have IQ coming back.

[robillionaire]

Zion will only be a RFA. NOLA can and will match any offer.

Yeah… I have yet to see any of these players really put their money where their mouth is and take the QO if they want out.. realistically Zion is a Pelican for at least 4 more years

More like 6 more years since he has 2 more on his rookie contact and will sign a 4 year max extension. Maybe you get lucky and he demands out in the year prior like AD did so it’s only 5 more years. That’s about the best you can hope for. And then you get to spend 7 firsts and a bunch of pick swaps

[HarthorneWingo]

Zion will only be a RFA. NOLA can and will match any offer.

Yeah… I have yet to see any of these players really put their money where their mouth is and take the QO if they want out.. realistically Zion is a Pelican for at least 4 more years

More like 6 more years since he has 2 more on his rookie contact and will sign a 4 year max extension. Maybe you get lucky and he demands out in the year prior like AD did so it’s only 5 more years. That’s about the best you can hope for. And then you get to spend 7 firsts and a bunch of pick swaps

Damn, I was hoping for

CP3
Zion
Kawhi
Randle
Mitch

Did I leave out anyone?

[makeitstop]

Sexton talk really heating up today...

Read on Twitter

Could be the Cavs trying to start a bidding war.

[nykballa2k4]

I want to raise an issue that comes up when CP3 or Lowry or Conley comes up.

First off lets get out of the way that all 3 would be great for the Knicks at PG and vastly improve the starting PG job.

But the potential selling point of all 3 is that they probably will take a 2 year deal, though I'm not sure of that with CP3 anymore.
Anyway, the 2 year deal is touted for cap flexibility, and I get the feeling that is stated with the idea that after 2 years, Knicks can sign another guy etc.

But can they?

Again, let me get out of the way that I'm fan of 3 years instead of 4 and 2 years instead of 3 every time.
But within that 2 year window, we have to sort of assume Randle gets extended or maxed - with the somewhat different salary ramifications, and RJ gets his first good sized deal. Mitch may or may not be up for an extension.
Players like Ball or Sexton or Powell or Beal or Fournier might be on the team as well. I mean, I hope we are doing more than signing Conley or Lowry.

Feels like even if you sign these guys for 2 years, after 2 years Knicks are still capped out.
Again, the more flexibility the better, but I wonder how much flexibility the Knicks are going to have for the next 4 years, minus trades.

Discuss.

It would, under this approach behoove the Knicks to try to get Randle to agree to an extension. Not only is the dollar amount per less the duration is less. That would create more flexibility by default. IF you are going to go for a guy like Lowry or Conley then you are saying that we are trying to do something now. No adding either guy won't give you a championship but it will make your team better than the team this past season. Called improvement. What that does is it makes this team more attractive, more of a winner. To what end? I don't know, but to the end that being more attractive and viewed as more of a legit organization will get you. IF that's the goal of this front office then that would be a smart move. Now if that's not the goal of this front office, then obviously it doesn't make sense to go after either guy unless for some reason Conley is willing to take a 1+1 (maybe big dollar this upcoming season with a team option for the next)? "Big dollar" is relative to the market (before anyone panics).

Now if the Knicks feel the need to "line up" whomever they get with their current core then fine. But folks need to open up their eyes and realize that NO ONE is going to trade a top tier PG in their prime for the 3 2021 1st round picks and Kevin Knox LOL. The Bulls aren't trading Zach LaVine for that "Knick Fan Fantasy" package, the Blazers aren't trading Damian Lillard for that package, the Thunder aren't trading SGA for that package, etc., etc., etc. It's funny cause the same folks that don't want guys like Lowry or Conley for basically no asset cost seem to think they can keep the valuable Knick assets and get one of the clearly BETTER guys. They want much better but aren't willing to trade what it takes. And then when you throw that ice water at them, then it's the just play Rose and IQ at PG then.

I agree with all you said. And not inferring you are among those that think Lowry or Conley would then open the possibility to going after "free agent X" in 2 years.

I'm just clarifying that it would cap the Knicks out, when taking into consideration what is going to happen with the Randle scenarios (extension or getting to end of this contract/sign), RJ, possibly Mitch, and then whoever is signed to go with Lowry or Conley, as I'd hope that's not the only move that's happening.

But yeah, the Knicks mediocre grab bag isn't getting SGA or Lillard, so I'd hope the Knicks can sign a vet PG for cash, with my wish list being CP3, and then Conley or Lowry - each of two years. Yeah, CP3 probably isn't happening.

This makes Sexton interesting, as he's pretty good, but would cost less than SGA or Lillard.
I still think it's a couple of picks OR maybe 1 pick and Love...but then that's kind of the team.

If Lillard was actually demanding a trade, we certainly have enough without including Mitch, Randle, RJ. Same for Beal (who may actually ask out). You are not trading for these guys without knowing that they want to come to your team. Houston could not even get the Nets to take Eric Gordons salary on in the Harden deal. IQ, Knox, Obi, #19, #21, '22, Dal'23 and NY '24 is a VERY aggressive package.

[Nazrmohamed]

DRose couldn't make it through the Hawks playoffs series playing starting PG minutes (lasted 2.5 games), it's highly unlikely he'll make it through what likely will be a full 82 game season (plus playoffs) as the Knicks starting PG. IMO it's just not realistic. He's best as the 6th (or 7th) man off the bench (he will be yet another year older). Rose himself has said that he isn't fit for heavy minute roles so I would expect that neither the Knicks nor Rose would be open to that idea.

I dont think we are making a finals run next year. Rose is fine for a platoon starting point guard. He will miss some games for load management and the main reason it didn't work vs the Hawks was because a) the defense was not anchored and b) we had no scoring/shot creators off the bench. If RJ was playing well, if Randle was efficient these are non-issues.

I think we agree on the level of player Rose is. We differ in expectations of the team I think.

That's not the point (a finals run). You're trying to improve and CLEARLY the biggest position of need from an improvement standpoint is starting PG. So how do you exactly IMPROVE when you just bring back the guy that everyone (apparently except you) realize CANNOT play starting PG minutes as your starting PG? That's not improving...that's punting (at best) the biggest positional need. There's no reason for this at all...at all. Just because you can't win a championship doesn't mean you give up and punt another year. And if the Knicks don't come up with something more than Derek Rose as a platoon PG (with whom? IQ?) they might as well just give up.

Totally agree, and what you failed to mention was that he was fighting for a contract. After being paid will he get up for those games on back to backs and push himself harder? CAN HE push himself harder? You can't expect anything more than what you got last yr and most likely a regression. Now look, one piece of good news I heard is that once you sign FAs you can then go over cap to keep him. But first go secure yourself a starting caliber 82 game 34 minute point guard and then if you wanna make that decision be my guest.

[thebuzzardman]

It would, under this approach behoove the Knicks to try to get Randle to agree to an extension. Not only is the dollar amount per less the duration is less. That would create more flexibility by default. IF you are going to go for a guy like Lowry or Conley then you are saying that we are trying to do something now. No adding either guy won't give you a championship but it will make your team better than the team this past season. Called improvement. What that does is it makes this team more attractive, more of a winner. To what end? I don't know, but to the end that being more attractive and viewed as more of a legit organization will get you. IF that's the goal of this front office then that would be a smart move. Now if that's not the goal of this front office, then obviously it doesn't make sense to go after either guy unless for some reason Conley is willing to take a 1+1 (maybe big dollar this upcoming season with a team option for the next)? "Big dollar" is relative to the market (before anyone panics).

Now if the Knicks feel the need to "line up" whomever they get with their current core then fine. But folks need to open up their eyes and realize that NO ONE is going to trade a top tier PG in their prime for the 3 2021 1st round picks and Kevin Knox LOL. The Bulls aren't trading Zach LaVine for that "Knick Fan Fantasy" package, the Blazers aren't trading Damian Lillard for that package, the Thunder aren't trading SGA for that package, etc., etc., etc. It's funny cause the same folks that don't want guys like Lowry or Conley for basically no asset cost seem to think they can keep the valuable Knick assets and get one of the clearly BETTER guys. They want much better but aren't willing to trade what it takes. And then when you throw that ice water at them, then it's the just play Rose and IQ at PG then.

I agree with all you said. And not inferring you are among those that think Lowry or Conley would then open the possibility to going after "free agent X" in 2 years.

I'm just clarifying that it would cap the Knicks out, when taking into consideration what is going to happen with the Randle scenarios (extension or getting to end of this contract/sign), RJ, possibly Mitch, and then whoever is signed to go with Lowry or Conley, as I'd hope that's not the only move that's happening.

But yeah, the Knicks mediocre grab bag isn't getting SGA or Lillard, so I'd hope the Knicks can sign a vet PG for cash, with my wish list being CP3, and then Conley or Lowry - each of two years. Yeah, CP3 probably isn't happening.

This makes Sexton interesting, as he's pretty good, but would cost less than SGA or Lillard.
I still think it's a couple of picks OR maybe 1 pick and Love...but then that's kind of the team.

If Lillard was actually demanding a trade, we certainly have enough without including Mitch, Randle, RJ. Same for Beal (who may actually ask out). You are not trading for these guys without knowing that they want to come to your team. Houston could not even get the Nets to take Eric Gordons salary on in the Harden deal. IQ, Knox, Obi, #19, #21, '22, Dal'23 and NY '24 is a VERY aggressive package.

So the plan would be to "go for it" with Lillard/RJ/Randle and zero avenue to improve the team for 4 years?

No thanks.

[thebuzzardman]

Oh look. Heat very interested in John Colllins too.

I guess the Heat are signing and trading for everyone.

[nykballa2k4]

I agree with all you said. And not inferring you are among those that think Lowry or Conley would then open the possibility to going after "free agent X" in 2 years.

I'm just clarifying that it would cap the Knicks out, when taking into consideration what is going to happen with the Randle scenarios (extension or getting to end of this contract/sign), RJ, possibly Mitch, and then whoever is signed to go with Lowry or Conley, as I'd hope that's not the only move that's happening.

But yeah, the Knicks mediocre grab bag isn't getting SGA or Lillard, so I'd hope the Knicks can sign a vet PG for cash, with my wish list being CP3, and then Conley or Lowry - each of two years. Yeah, CP3 probably isn't happening.

This makes Sexton interesting, as he's pretty good, but would cost less than SGA or Lillard.
I still think it's a couple of picks OR maybe 1 pick and Love...but then that's kind of the team.

If Lillard was actually demanding a trade, we certainly have enough without including Mitch, Randle, RJ. Same for Beal (who may actually ask out). You are not trading for these guys without knowing that they want to come to your team. Houston could not even get the Nets to take Eric Gordons salary on in the Harden deal. IQ, Knox, Obi, #19, #21, '22, Dal'23 and NY '24 is a VERY aggressive package.

So the plan would be to "go for it" with Lillard/RJ/Randle and zero avenue to improve the team for 4 years?

No thanks.

Go for it with Lillard, RJ, Kawhi, Randle, Mitch or Lillard, Beal('22 FA), RJ, Randle, Mitch.
your pick.

[nykballa2k4]

Oh look. Heat very interested in John Colllins too.

I guess the Heat are signing and trading for everyone.

Very interested in trading Herro.

[thebuzzardman]

Oh look. Heat very interested in John Colllins too.

I guess the Heat are signing and trading for everyone.

Very interested in trading Herro.

Knicks should ask what the price is.

He's an incredible dbag, but would make a good Knick

[nykballa2k4]

Oh look. Heat very interested in John Colllins too.

I guess the Heat are signing and trading for everyone.

Very interested in trading Herro.

Knicks should ask what the price is.

He's an incredible dbag, but would make a good Knick

Think that's why Riley was talking to the Hawks. he would fit right in.

[thebuzzardman]

Very interested in trading Herro.

Knicks should ask what the price is.

He's an incredible dbag, but would make a good Knick

Think that's why Riley was talking to the Hawks. he would fit right in.

Knicks need a PG more, but if Sexton was heading to the Heat, I'd see how to get Herro to the Knicks as part of the 3 way deal. Obviously I'm not putting much thought into how this benefits either the Heat or Cavs at all.

[Barcs]

I think Zion is talented, but it's an unrealistic idea. 4 years from now ANYTHING can change. People are basing this stuff off nothing but rumors. The only way to get Zion is via trade, and I simply do not see the Pels trading him unless they are somehow forced into it.

I want the Knicks to keep playing it slow and cautious until they can SIGN a superstar in free agency. Trading the farm is only a good plan when you are 1 piece away from championship. The Knicks are NOT that.