Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

F N 11 · Post #521 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:37 pm

Did Sexton face us at all this year those times we smacked the cavs? I dont think so bc I did not feel him on the court.

Gravy · Post #522 » by **Gravy** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:38 pm

Sexton vs Trae battles would be epic. We'd finally have someone that will attack him and expose his defense.

3toheadmelo · Post #523 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm

They locked nyk mentality’s thread lol

F N 11 · Post #524 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Meat wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:Sexton is such fool's gold as an individual player, let alone fit concerns with Sexton/Randle/Barrett.

Randle was fools wood before this year, coaching goes far and so far sexton's had booty cheeks for coaches

I have to Agree coaching matters. However, i dont like Collin Sexton at 30 million per. Just my opinion.

N8isScofield · Post #525 » by **N8isScofield** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:40 pm

Gravy wrote:Sexton vs Trae battles would be epic. We'd finally have someone that will attack him and expose his defense.

And Sexton is a dog. He plays mean. You gotta fight fire with fire. Make the likes of Trae and Kyrie expend some energy on defense.

thebuzzardman · Post #526 » by **thebuzzardman** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:41 pm

F N 11 wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Adelheid wrote:Knicks brass prolly aint air-tight. These "leaks"...

Unless its just smokes and mirrors

Nah this is eerily similar to the Drose trade before it happened….

Read on Twitter

We been linked to Lonzo too. The Rose thing hd legs bc we know how Thibs feel about him.

Sexton/Rose
Lonzo/IQ
RJ/KILLDOZA!
Randle/Obi
Mitch/? (I say get Olynyk)

Hopefully Knox traded, maybe Bullocks comes back for some shooting depth, and Knicks still have a pick left to draft someone at 19 or 21, though Cavs aren't trading Sexton into cap space...so it's probably going to cost...actually I don't know what he'd cost.

19, 21 and Knox?

2010 · Post #527 » by **2010** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:41 pm

Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

3toheadmelo · Post #528 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:42 pm

Read on Twitter

TerrenceClarke · Post #529 » by **TerrenceClarke** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:43 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
TerrenceClarke wrote:Obi Toppin is not a scorer. Just because the dude beat up on smaller players in the A-10 does not make him a scorer. A person with no go to move, could never be classified as a scorer.

Calling Obi a Scorer, is like calling Derrick Williams a Scorer.

Disrespectful to Derrick Williams cause Derrick Williams actually got buckets on his own

no, it shows how trash Obi is. :lol:

F N 11 · Post #530 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:45 pm

Ok you guys win, he's CAA. This is almost a lock.

NYK-Mentality85 · Post #531 » by **NYK-Mentality85** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:45 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:They locked nyk mentality’s thread lol

It's ok. I'm going to create a different thread of "The Importance of building a Winning Culture" (with no tank talk) and stress the important of going 10-0 @ playing the playoffs throughout 2020's as my Knicks of 1990's went 10-0 @ Majin the playoffs.

But na. I'm not trading Obi and picks for this Sexton kid.

Post #532 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:46 pm

We won 41 games with Elfrid Payton.

I don't see an argument on how Sexton isn't an improvement on that.

At the very minimum, he will play the same role, provide the same level of defense and passing, but with actual scoring production. That is if he shows no improvement with better coaching and teammates.

That is a better team

F N 11 · Post #533 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:47 pm

2010 wrote:Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

Just admit drafting Obi over my pick Hali was dumb by Leon and you don't mind maxing Sexton. Those who don't mind maxing him, you get your flowers bc you truly believe in him.

Post #534 » by **GONYK** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:48 pm

F N 11 wrote:
2010 wrote:Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

Just admit drafting Obi over my pick Hali was dumb by Leon and you don't mind maxing Sexton. Those who don't mind maxing him, you get your flowers bc you truly believe in him.

Why is the assumption that he will be MAX'ed?

Players who are valued at a max deal around the league don't get traded for Obi Toppin and a late 1st.

The Knicks are going to tell Sexton to go get the best deal he can and they will match. There isn't a reason to think, right now, that he will be able to find a MAX deal.

If he can, it's because he showed major improvement this season, which is great for us.

Post #535 » by **Capn'O** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:49 pm

2010 wrote:Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

Yeah, the only reason to pass on Sexton is if you believe in the red flags and don't think his mental makeup will allow him to turn his game around to become a winner. I.e. there are certain players a team may just not want to acquire for team culture fit, etc. I think his issues have been situational and immaturity that he can overcome as he matures with good coaching but I'm sure some teams will balk for that reason. Perfect fit with Thibs, imo. But you don't pass on that because you want to keep any of the pieces mentioned thus far.

3toheadmelo · Post #536 » by **3toheadmelo** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Ima post this again

Read on Twitter

Juco24 · Post #537 » by **Juco24** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:51 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
F N 11 wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Nah this is eerily similar to the Drose trade before it happened….

Read on Twitter

We been linked to Lonzo too. The Rose thing hd legs bc we know how Thibs feel about him.

Sexton/Rose
Lonzo/IQ
RJ/KILLDOZA!
Randle/Obi
Mitch/? (I say get Olynyk)

Hopefully Knox traded, maybe Bullocks comes back for some shooting depth, and Knicks still have a pick left to draft someone at 19 or 21, though Cavs aren't trading Sexton into cap space...so it's probably going to cost...actually I don't know what he'd cost.

19, 21 and Knox?

That's the most I'd give up. Buzz, I know you don't like Obi... but I would NOT include him in the deal. Cavs aren't resigning him regardless so it's not as though the have lots of leverage

NYK-Mentality85 · Post #538 » by **NYK-Mentality85** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:52 pm

GONYK wrote:We won 41 games with Elfrid Payton.

I don't see an argument on how Sexton isn't an improvement on that.

At the very minimum, he will play the same role, provide the same level of defense and passing, but with actual scoring production. That is if he shows no improvement with better coaching and teammates.

That is a better team

Not if we lose Obi and picks 19 and 21 it's not.

And if anything happens to Julius Randle @ PF due to an injury it'll become a disaster trade.

Obi Toppin (PF).
#19: Sharife Cooper (PG).
# 21: Tre Mann (SG).

Has 10x more potential than Sexton and those 3 players make us a better team than "Sexton" would.

Chanel Bomber · Post #539 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:52 pm

F N 11 wrote:
SmoothLefty21 wrote:Sexton is such fool's gold as an individual player, let alone fit concerns with Sexton/Randle/Barrett.

This is what I am getting at but people only see 24PPG.

Lets be honest, people dont want to wait on their own to develop. Im not trading RJ and I dont like people throwing Obi under the bus like he was supposed to do anything as Randles backup. Ranlde became all NBA 2nd team and MIP. How is that Obi's fault? Didnt even get minutes at Center.

Sexton isn't just a volume 24 point scorer. He gets his points fairly efficiently, as opposed to most of our players, including Randle and RJ. Sexton is more efficient than both of them.

I agree that Obi didn't get a shot. Some of it is due to his lack of positional versatility, which is a problem with Randle a lock at the 4. Some of it is due to Thibs's stubborness.

F N 11 · Post #540 » by **F N 11** » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:53 pm

GONYK wrote:
F N 11 wrote:
2010 wrote:Some of y'all fools are never happy. We got a chance to nab a young scoring PG who fits what the coach wants - one who attacks the paint relentlessly. Yet people wanna hold onto an older draft pick who will get 15 mins max as long as Randle is on the roster.

Just admit drafting Obi over my pick Hali was dumb by Leon and you don't mind maxing Sexton. Those who don't mind maxing him, you get your flowers bc you truly believe in him.

Why is the assumption that he will be MAX'ed?

Players who are valued at a max deal around the league don't get traded for Obi Toppin and a late 1st.

The Knicks are going to tell Sexton to go get the best deal he can and they will match. There isn't a reason to think, right now, that he will be able to find a MAX deal.

If he can, it's because he showed major improvement this season, which is great for us.

If we trade for him we intend to pay him. If you dont want to extend him in October fine. Then we will possibly have 2 max eligible guys in 2022.