Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[GONYK]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

AND THEY KEPT NEITHER

I'm sorry, what are we talking about?

Charles Smith will put us over the top

[3toheadmelo]

[jvsimonetti0514]

Is he an RFA next year or this year

Next Summer he's RFA

Thx. I'm assuming waiting to make a big RFA offer is not an option

I can't really say for sure but it seems like the Heat and a couple other teams are interested as well. So you have to figure they'll try to get something out of him instead of walking for nothing. We'd have a much better chance of not paying him the max if here already. Poaching him is definitely going to cost us the max.

[NYK-Mentality85]

To be clear, the rumor said only one of those two picks... Heck if you're not interested in winning more right now and would rather wait on potential, I got a thread I think you should read...

Not caring about winning?

It's Cleveland who cares about winning because they're quitting on Sexton after only 3 years of losing basketball...

Cleveland since drafting Sexton = 60-159 (.273%).

Don't talk to me about Sexton making us "win" when as a PG he's failed to make Cleveland win all while Cleveland is (already) quitting on him after 3 miserable seasons in a row.

It's a red flag and very alarming how Cleveland is already quitting on their 8th overall draft pick and starting POINT GUARD. They obviously do not believe in his "potential" to win or else they'd BUILD AROUND HIM (not QUIT on him).

It’s tough reading/discussing any of your points. They’re absolutely terrible. I’m sorry.

You can't explain why Cleveland is quitting on their 8th overall pick @ PG and only after only 3 years?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Exactly. Folks are worried about selling low on Obi, but don't see that we'd also be buying low on Sexton.

Yea, Obi + #19 for Sexton is a trade the Knicks easily make. It is too good to be true. Dont really buy thats the best offer the Cavs can get.

And Knox

The leak is clearly from the Cavs looking for more. That said, if they're calling this their high offer there's definitely some interest there.

I just feel like there will be another major piece to this deal that we aren't going to Love

[N8isScofield]

It’s worth asking why the cavs don’t want to keep Sexton. Either they don’t think he’s worth the money, or they think they can draft someone better, or they think garland is better. I mean if they thought he was the second coming of Donovan Mitchell as someone above me just said, they wouldn’t be trying to trade him.

Sexton just isn’t a good fit next to garland. This is sorta like the Knicks having to pick between Mark Jackson and Strickland

Sure but since they had to pick one, why aren’t they trying to trade Garland?

Garland is younger and further away from them having to pay him. It's not exactly a big market and the purse strings tighten without LeBron selling the arena out every night.

[Ghetto Gospel]

some of you guys in here are crazy

lonzo: "he's so young, i bet thibs and co. can turn him around. they'll make him attack the paint and teach him how to better utilize his passing skills"
sexton: "nah, all he does is shoot and he can't ever make his team better"

sexton's even younger than lonzo too

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton

[3toheadmelo]

Yea, Obi + #19 for Sexton is a trade the Knicks easily make. It is too good to be true. Dont really buy thats the best offer the Cavs can get.

And Knox

The leak is clearly from the Cavs looking for more. That said, if they're calling this their high offer there's definitely some interest there.

I just feel like there will be another major piece to this deal that we aren't going to Love

[DowNY]

some of you guys in here are crazy

lonzo: "he's so young, i bet thibs and co. can turn him around. they'll make him attack the paint and teach him how to better utilize his passing skills"
sexton: "nah, all he does is shoot and he can't ever make his team better"

sexton's even younger than lonzo too

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton

Shams said today that NO isn’t likely to match.
Knicks could literally sign Lonzo and still trade for Sexton.
That’s your backcourt under Thibs and I think that can be underrated.

[Capn'O]

Yea, Obi + #19 for Sexton is a trade the Knicks easily make. It is too good to be true. Dont really buy thats the best offer the Cavs can get.

And Knox

The leak is clearly from the Cavs looking for more. That said, if they're calling this their high offer there's definitely some interest there.

I just feel like there will be another major piece to this deal that we aren't going to Love

Probably just depends what they are offered. I don't think Big Brock Baller is interested in Love though.

[NYK-Mentality85]

some of you guys in here are crazy

lonzo: "he's so young, i bet thibs and co. can turn him around. they'll make him attack the paint and teach him how to better utilize his passing skills"
sexton: "nah, all he does is shoot and he can't ever make his team better"

sexton's even younger than lonzo too

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton

Sexton is a scoring guard who's only averaged 3.4 assists per game in comparison to Ball who's awesome at passing with a career average of 6.4 assists per game and electric on fast breaks.

The Knicks need a PG with great passing ability in order to create easy baskets for the likes of R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Mitchell Robinson and more importantly Julius Randle; not another shoot first & pass last PG.

[Ghetto Gospel]

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton

Shams said today that NO isn’t likely to match.
Knicks could literally sign Lonzo and still trade for Sexton.
That’s your backcourt under Thibs and I think that can be underrated.

NO isn't likely to match because lonzo for 20-25m is an overpay.

[DaGawd]

Isn't Lonzo Ball an upcoming free agent though?

There's a big difference between signing a FA (Ball) without giving up anything in return when in comparison trading for a player (Sexton) and being forced to throw away valuable assets.

Can't compare NY apples to FL Oranges man.
Two completely different situations here.

Sexton: 22 years old.
Lonzo: 23 years old.

One year difference, who really cares when they're both really young man? Sexton will be 50 when Ball is 51. Who cares?

he's a restricted free agent. NO can choose to match whichever offer they like. it isn't as if we are getting lonzo for free when he is a restricted free agent. any offer that we place on the table that other teams don't beat and NO decides to not match is essentially an "overpay" and still a cost of an asset. it is just a different asset in itself entirely.

regardless, my post wasn't in regards to what the better value is but rather the mindset of posters. If the lonzo believers think that thibs and co can turn him into a star than why not share the same belief for sexton that thibs and co can improve his game as well? i brought up age because that is the first thing that gets brought up as to why lonzo can be turned around. if lonzo can be turned around because he is young and meldable than so can sexton

Sexton is a scoring guard who's only averaged 3.4 assists per game in comparison to Ball who's awesome at passing with a career average of 6.4 assists per game.

The Knicks need a PG with great passing ability in order to create easy baskets for the likes of R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Mitchell Robinson and more importantly Julius Randle; not another shoot first & pass last PG.

Lonzo is only really a passer in transition. In the half court he’s not the facilitator you think he is

[Knox]

A perk to trading for him is his work ethic. He is intentional with his actions on improving his game. He cares about being better, hoping we get this deal done today. As a Kid he played 3-5 and almost caught 50.. didn’t quit either

[jvsimonetti0514]

What's the most you're willing to give up to make this deal happen? Are you willing to take on Love? Would you throw in IQ to avoid that? Offer all the picks in this draft? What's everyone thinking?

[3toheadmelo]

[Jay10]

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Facts!!!!!!

Can’t wait to see him in orange&blue!!!!!!!!!!

yeah he coming from that Julius Randle mentality it seems like. I know he had that underdog mentality for a minute. I remember watching him in high school being one of his doubters.

Watch on YouTube

Maybe some of that underdog vibe, but Sexton is on some different energy - he's outwardly crazy on the court.



The Garden would eat this up...but lord help him if he pulls these type of theatrics at The Mecca and continues to be trash defensively.

i'm trying to remember if the shot went in.

[Jay10]

Read on Twitter

or
the knicks can let him sign an offer sheet with a team and match the contract offer.

[N Y K]

Not caring about winning?

It's Cleveland who cares about winning because they're quitting on Sexton after only 3 years of losing basketball...

Cleveland since drafting Sexton = 60-159 (.273%).

Don't talk to me about Sexton making us "win" when as a PG he's failed to make Cleveland win all while Cleveland is (already) quitting on him after 3 miserable seasons in a row.

It's a red flag and very alarming how Cleveland is already quitting on their 8th overall draft pick and starting POINT GUARD. They obviously do not believe in his "potential" to win or else they'd BUILD AROUND HIM (not QUIT on him).

It’s tough reading/discussing any of your points. They’re absolutely terrible. I’m sorry.

You can't explain why Cleveland is quitting on their 8th overall pick @ PG and only after only 3 years?

C'mon. You can figure this out if you think through it from the Cavs perspective, right?

Would you rather Garland, his fit with Sexton, and the player they draft 3rd (now who do you start?)? or would you rather go all in on Garland and pair him with whoever they draft (Green/Suggs) at 3 plus get more draft capital and "potential" (as you put it earlier)?

[NYF13]

Why are we assuming that getting Sexton throws the idea of signing Lonzo? Lonzo played alongside a PG while at NOP. And there were no complaints. But either can play as PGs in the lineup.

Lonzo, Sexton, RJ, Randle and Mitch are a strong core for years to come.