Fake Trade Thread #3

[Roll Tide 09]

Some of you are so desperate for a center that you go gaga for Myles Turner or James Wiseman and want to give up the rest of our assets for one of them

There are centers to be had that we don't have to give up assets or starters for. Holmes is every bit as good as Wiseman will be for the next 3 years. Kai Jones/Isaiah Jackson are not far off as prospects (Jackson might actually be a way better defensive prospect than Wiseman) and we can just draft them at 11.

We need rebounding and rim running. We need Capela. Christian Wood. Onyeka Okongwu. Isaiah Stewart. We don't need a PJ-type center like Turner or Wiseman who prefers to stay on the perimeter on offense and doesn't rebound on defense.

We had Christian Wood. LOL!

[Roll Tide 09]

All I know is that a Washington, Monk/Graham, and a 2nd round pick could easily net us an All-Star caliber Center and possibly a late 1st round pick...depending on the team. What's the contract situation look like for Cousins? We should sign him as well. I also wouldn't mind giving up a piece or two in order to Sign & Trade for Lonzo Ball.

Anyone not named Ball, Rozier, Hayward, Bridges, or McDaniels can be moved, in my opinion.

[Bassman]

Clearly this coaching staff doesn’t see much promise in Carey or Richards, and I somewhat agree. We’re not going to get the center we need in the draft. Trading Washington as part of a package almost seems inevitable, but at some point you have to make choices. Bridges stepped up and needs to be our 4, at least till such time that we’d have a big time BIG 4 that would allow Miles to shift to the 3 spot (and move or expire Hayward).

If Hayward is the key part of a deal for our center so be it. I know he adds a lot when he can play, but that is likely always going to be a percentage of the year due to frequent injuries. Also folks need to expect any deal we do is not going to bring us a perfect 5. Teams that have those keep them. Turner is not perfect but I think he brings a lot (if that is the deal). Others already mentioned could be good options. Or we get our center in FA (Noel perhaps?).

[JMAC3]

Anyone not named Ball, Rozier, Hayward, Bridges, or McDaniels can be moved, in my opinion.

So guys under contract you are willing to trade... PJ, Martin twins, Richards and Carey. Everyone but PJ here has no trade value.

[JMAC3]

Clearly this coaching staff doesn’t see much promise in Carey or Richards, and I somewhat agree. We’re not going to get the center we need in the draft. Trading Washington as part of a package almost seems inevitable, but at some point you have to make choices. Bridges stepped up and needs to be our 4, at least till such time that we’d have a big time BIG 4 that would allow Miles to shift to the 3 spot (and move or expire Hayward).

If Hayward is the key part of a deal for our center so be it. I know he adds a lot when he can play, but that is likely always going to be a percentage of the year due to frequent injuries. Also folks need to expect any deal we do is not going to bring us a perfect 5. Teams that have those keep them. Turner is not perfect but I think he brings a lot (if that is the deal). Others already mentioned could be good options. Or we get our center in FA (Noel perhaps?).

We are so used to being a bad team with no future, so we focus too much on our starting 5 players. We can have 8-9 really good players that fit really well together and be a strong team. PJ and Miles have already shown they can play together evidence by our two best lineups by Net Rating featured them together.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612766&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*60

Personally, I am opposed to trading any decent asset for a Center, because we have cap space and a lottery pick to solve the issue. Hard to imagine a scenario where we trade PJ and 11 for a Center who makes us better than just keeping PJ, 11 and signing someone like Holmes, Noel or Theis.

[amcoolio]

I'd actually rather have Holmes than trading any asset to get Turner. Holmes just fits better IMO.

[Rich4114]

What’s the prediction on Terry? We decide to keep him and what will likely be a max or near max deal after next season or trade him while his value is probably at an all time high and an expiring contract. Or just let him walk at the end depending on what happens when who we draft and Monk/Graham.

Other things to consider is we will still have Hayward on the books two more years after next plus Miles will likely be ready to make huge bank if he continues his trajectory from last season.

I’m inclined to move Terry now unless we see him as our main veteran centerpiece moving forward and are ready to pay him what he will surely demand.

[SWedd523]

I'd actually rather have Holmes than trading any asset to get Turner. Holmes just fits better IMO.

The problem is we don't live in NBA 2K world where you can just sign whoever you want.

[amcoolio]

I'd actually rather have Holmes than trading any asset to get Turner. Holmes just fits better IMO.

The problem is we don't live in NBA 2K world where you can just sign whoever you want.

I don't think there are going to be many teams that would overpay for Holmes like we are more than likely going to do

[SWedd523]

I'd actually rather have Holmes than trading any asset to get Turner. Holmes just fits better IMO.

The problem is we don't live in NBA 2K world where you can just sign whoever you want.

I don't think there are going to be many teams that would overpay for Holmes like we are more than likely going to do

I agree that IF we could get Holmes for a relatively fair contract, it would have to be pursued. I'd rather do that than trade for Wiseman or draft one the bigs this year.

Just a dangerous game to play

[luciano-davidwesley]

I'd love Holmes but more often than not statistically speaking veteran free agents do not live up to their contracts. With this in mind you have to make sure you don't offer too much or for too long and are prepared to walk away and pursue other options if the player's demands are getting unreasonable.

[JDR720]

Posted this on the Sexton thread on the TT board.

Rozier + 11th for Sexton and Nance

[BigSlam]

Posted this on the Sexton thread on the TT board.

Rozier + 11th for Sexton and Nance

God no

Rozier is infinitely better than Nance.

And

It’s entirely possible that who we draft at #11 will be as good or even better than Sexton - and that doesn’t even take into account that whoever has Sexton will also have his demand for a massive payday.

This is an easy pass.

[BuzzCity]

Posted this on the Sexton thread on the TT board.

Rozier + 11th for Sexton and Nance

U gunna max Sexton?

[BleedGreen1989]

Might sting to give up prime assets for a guy you already had, but has PJ/11 for Wood been mentioned? Man he would be so much fun with LaMelo.

[Benjamin Linus]

I'd trade PJ & 11 for Wood for sure

LaMelo-Rozier-Hayward-Miles-Wood

That could potentially be one of the best offenses in the NBA outside of Brooklyn

[yosemiteben]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

[JMAC3]

I'd trade PJ & 11 for Wood for sure

LaMelo-Rozier-Hayward-Miles-Wood

That could potentially be one of the best offenses in the NBA outside of Brooklyn

Christian Wood puts up stats, but he isn't a good basketball player. His teammates don't like playing with him.

I would not give up PJ nor 11 for him, let alone both.

[JMAC3]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

I think Monk is gone regardless, but I could see a Graham for Lonzo sign and trade between us and Pelicans.

I'm a pretty big fan of draft Moody, sign Lonzo and then sign Theis/Noel

Melo- Lonzo
Rozier- Moody/Lonzo
Gordon- Moody/Miles
PJ- Miles
Noel/PJ

Is a pretty nice 8 man rotation for the playoffs with McDaniels, Martin twins filling in the gaps for the regular season.

[JMAC3]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

I think Monk is gone regardless, but I could see a Graham for Lonzo sign and trade between us and Pelicans.

I'm a pretty big fan of draft Moody, sign Lonzo and then sign Theis/Noel

Melo- Lonzo
Rozier- Moody/Lonzo
Gordon- Moody/Miles
PJ- Miles
Noel/PJ

Is a pretty nice 8 man rotation for the playoffs with McDaniels, Martin twins filling in the gaps for the regular season.

Also, those three would all really improve our defense quick.