Fake Trade Thread #3

[Benjamin Linus]

Would you do 11 for Mitchell Robinson & 19 or 21?

[SWedd523]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

I'm hesitant to mix family with business.

The team is (or should be) all in with Melo. What happens when Lonzo complains because he doesn't get enough PT? Or they trade him? Or bench him? Or don't re-sign him?

Not saying Melo would diva out if Lonzo didn't get the red carpet treatment, or that Lonzo would demand it as Melo's brother, but you put yourself in a potentially weird situation on both ends making a personal (not personnel) decision like that.

[fatlever]

would lonzo be ok as bench player? are we paying 70 mil for bench? he's not starting over melo, rozier or gh. granted he could still get 30mpg playing backup to all 3.

[JMAC3]

I think you pitch Lonzo on being the 6th man this year, but if he keeps improving he could take Rozier starting spot and we could let Rozier walk in free agency or swap roles.

I am just all for adding versatile players who can shoot, defend and playmake. The rotation will sort itself out, especially in today's nba.

[JMAC3]

Who says no:

Wizards trade Rui, 15 and Bertans to Cleveland for Love and Sexton

[BigSlam]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

I think we need a scorer at the SG position, and I don't think that Lonzo is that guy.

[BigSlam]

Would you do 11 for Mitchell Robinson & 19 or 21?

Naaaaa. I'd rather just stay at #11 and draft Jackson if we want a fairly one dimensional and limited C like Robinson (and I don't want to draft Jackson).

Robinson is another one of those dudes who is looking for a big pay day - and I wouldn't want to be the team scratching that cheque.

[Braggins]

No way Lonzo is signing here to be a 6th man. My guess is he'll go somewhere like New York to try to carve out his own legacy and he and LaMelo will try to team up later in their careers.

[JDR720]

Posted this on the Sexton thread on the TT board.

Rozier + 11th for Sexton and Nance

U gunna max Sexton?

Rozier will want close to a max contract too.

[JMAC3]

Posted this on the Sexton thread on the TT board.

Rozier + 11th for Sexton and Nance

U gunna max Sexton?

Rozier will want close to a max contract too.

Rozier isn't going to get the MAX, he is a small scoring guard. Also, his MAX will be higher than Sexton* because he has been in the league longer.

I think he will get something similar to Buddy Hield (4/85), Lavine (4/80), Brogdone (4/85) or FVV (4/84).

[Braggins]

U gunna max Sexton?

Rozier will want close to a max contract too.

Rozier isn't going to get the MAX, he is a small scoring guard. Also, his MAX will be higher than Sexton* because he has been in the league longer.

I think he will get something similar to Buddy Hield (4/85), Lavine (4/80), Brogdone (4/85) or FVV (4/84).

He signed his current contract, which averages 18.9 mil per year, after a season where he averaged 9ppg and shot 35% from 3. You think hes only going to get 20-21 mil per year after putting up consecutive seasons where he shot 40% from 3pt on high volume and averaged 18-20 ppg?

[JMAC3]

Rozier will want close to a max contract too.

Rozier isn't going to get the MAX, he is a small scoring guard. Also, his MAX will be higher than Sexton* because he has been in the league longer.

I think he will get something similar to Buddy Hield (4/85), Lavine (4/80), Brogdone (4/85) or FVV (4/84).

He signed his current contract, which averages 18.9 mil per year, after a season where he averaged 9ppg and shot 35% from 3. You think hes only going to get 20-21 mil per year after putting up consecutive seasons where he shot 40% from 3pt on high volume and averaged 18-20 ppg?

You have to compare his potential deal to other deals handed out and not just give him a raise because he improved. His last deal was not for what he had done, it was projecting to what he could do and he hit those projections. He was also younger when he signed his last deal and had immense potential, at this point he is a really good player but we know he isn't an allstar/superstar so he won't be paid like it.

Donovan Mitchell, Tatum, Brown, Fox or Jamal Murray is the next tier of contracts that are 25mi+ and Rozier just isn't on that level.

I think he will get a small raise to maybe 22 Million annually but he is not going to get 25million+ annually.

[JMAC3]

How would folks feel about letting Monk walk and using cap space on Lonzo Ball?

I think we need a scorer at the SG position, and I don't think that Lonzo is that guy.

I agree to some degree, but Lamelo averaged 16 pts per game in 28 mpg this year. 18.1 pgg as starter as rookie.

It is not like he won't be a scorer in his prime.

[JDR720]

Rozier isn't going to get the MAX, he is a small scoring guard. Also, his MAX will be higher than Sexton* because he has been in the league longer.

I think he will get something similar to Buddy Hield (4/85), Lavine (4/80), Brogdone (4/85) or FVV (4/84).

Gordon got paid a max contract.

He isn't that much better than Rozier and he is a lot more injury prone.

Rozier isn't worth a max contract, either now or in the future, but he will 100% want to get one. One of the reasons he wanted to leave Boston was because he views himself as a star but wasn't being treated like one.

That's why I offered the Sexton trade. Is he worth a max now? No, but he is younger and has potential to average 20+ppg for a decade for us. He is a very good fit with Ball too. We need a scoring SG, right? Sexton averaged 24ppg last season on good percentages.

If he is available, we should 100% be one of the interested teams.

[Liver_Pooty]

Lonzo actually fits our team very well if we ever decided to part with Rozier. Great size, really good defender, rebounder, and has drastically improved his shooting. He fits well with Lamelo.

[LofJ]

We're nullifying LaMelo's size advantage if we pair him with a barely 6 foot guy like Sexton. I'd rather keep Rozier or gamble on Monk.

[yosemiteben]

I really don't know about Lonzo. My initial reaction is the same as SWedd's - creates some awkward situations. I think fitwise he'd be a great add, but I don't know if you want to invite the awkward realities that will come with that situation.

[Braggins]

Rozier isn't going to get the MAX, he is a small scoring guard. Also, his MAX will be higher than Sexton* because he has been in the league longer.

I think he will get something similar to Buddy Hield (4/85), Lavine (4/80), Brogdone (4/85) or FVV (4/84).

He signed his current contract, which averages 18.9 mil per year, after a season where he averaged 9ppg and shot 35% from 3. You think hes only going to get 20-21 mil per year after putting up consecutive seasons where he shot 40% from 3pt on high volume and averaged 18-20 ppg?

You have to compare his potential deal to other deals handed out and not just give him a raise because he improved. His last deal was not for what he had done, it was projecting to what he could do and he hit those projections. He was also younger when he signed his last deal and had immense potential, at this point he is a really good player but we know he isn't an allstar/superstar so he won't be paid like it.

Donovan Mitchell, Tatum, Brown, Fox or Jamal Murray is the next tier of contracts that are 25mi+ and Rozier just isn't on that level.

I think he will get a small raise to maybe 22 Million annually but he is not going to get 25million+ annually.

They were paying him somewhat on potential with his last contract, but I don't think they were signing him with the realistic expectation that hed increase his PPG by 120% and shoot 40% from 3pt while doubling his volume. Hes also still 27 and hasn't had any serious injuries, so he should still be in the early part of his prime. Being an undersized shooting guard will definitely limit his value somewhat, but hes also looking like an elite outside shooter at a time when that is at a premium. I'd be surprised if he gets less than 25 mil per year if he has another season similar to this last one.

I would definitely be looking into trading Rozier, but I would be looking for a center and don't really have much interest in adding another small guard like Sexton.

[JMAC3]

They were paying him somewhat on potential with his last contract, but I don't think they were signing him with the realistic expectation that hed increase his PPG by 120% and shoot 40% from 3pt while doubling his volume. Hes also still 27 and hasn't had any serious injuries, so he should still be in the early part of his prime. Being an undersized shooting guard will definitely limit his value somewhat, but hes also looking like an elite outside shooter at a time when that is at a premium. I'd be surprised if he gets less than 25 mil per year if he has another season similar to this last one.

When his agent goes to the team he isn't going to say hey my client made 19 million last year and he got better so he needs a raise. That is just not how it works.

You get paid based on other contracts around the league, and my point is that the guys that make 25 million+ are all younger and better than him.

He compares closer to the hields, brogdons and lavines of the world not the donovan mitchell, jayson tatums and jaylen browns.

[Braggins]

When his agent goes to the team he isn't going to say hey my client made 19 million last year and he got better so he needs a raise. That is just not how it works.

Thats not what I'm saying...