2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[Slim Charless]

I don't know. This has been Paul's team this year.

Booker had some of the talking heads talking about him. But Paul has commercials, got voted to All NBA team, the all star game, etc.

I think more people know who Chris Paul is than Booker. Paul is almost always the main guy they go to for interviews post game, etc. He had also played for 5 teams so a lot of non Suns fans out there probably still like him, or at least know him very well.

He is more popular for sure and has more of a legacy, but if he continues to play at this level in the postseason and falls off a cliff(his 5 turnovers I believe was him being out of position and making costly mental mistakes under pressure than due to his torn ligament in his finger) we should offer him the veteran's minimum.

LOL

Enough said.

Yeah. That's a troll post or someone who is still buzzed from last night's visit to the bar obviously lol.

[Slim Charless]

BW. (I assume you made the poll)

You should've worded that poll differently:

Do you think Sarver will pay 4 players 115M dollars a year?

-Yes

-No

Because THAT'S really the end question.

[saintEscaton]

He is more popular for sure and has more of a legacy, but if he continues to play at this level in the postseason and falls off a cliff(his 5 turnovers I believe was him being out of position and making costly mental mistakes under pressure than due to his torn ligament in his finger) we should offer him the veteran's minimum.

LOL

Enough said.

Yeah. That's a troll post or someone who is still buzzed from last night's visit to the bar obviously lol.

It was a troll and also was buzzed from last night and frustrated with CP3's performance being one of his biggest supporters. Let'see how he performs the rest of the series before we renegotiate

[saintEscaton]

I don't know. This has been Paul's team this year.

Booker had some of the talking heads talking about him. But Paul has commercials, got voted to All NBA team, the all star game, etc.

I think more people know who Chris Paul is than Booker. Paul is almost always the main guy they go to for interviews post game, etc. He had also played for 5 teams so a lot of non Suns fans out there probably still like him, or at least know him very well.

He is more popular for sure and has more of a legacy, but if he continues to play at this level in the postseason and falls off a cliff(his 5 turnovers I believe was him being out of position and making costly mental mistakes under pressure than due to his torn ligament in his finger) we should offer him the veteran's minimum.

What level? In the first 3 finals games he was shooting 57% in the first 3 games including 50% from 3 averaging 25 ppg, and still averaged 9 assists.

In the Nuggets entire series he averaged 63% from the field and 60% from 3 averaging over 25 ppg, 10 assists per game and 1.25 turnovers per game.

Closing out the Clippers he had 41 on 67% shooting including 87.5% from 3 (7/8), 8 assists and 0 turnovers.

Have you and Revived been watching the whole playoffs or just this last game?

I've been watching the entire playoffs obviously. I was really impressed with how amazing he played in the three series before but he has been really underwhelming against the Bucks albeit a game and a half. It's concerning. It's probably the debilitating torn ligament in his hand that's getting in his way but he made some knucklehead decision making by forcing things that lead to so many TOs. I'm high on CP3 just frustrated by his recent play at the most pivotal time is all

[bwgood77]

BW. (I assume you made the poll)

You should've worded that poll differently:

Do you think Sarver will pay 4 players 115M dollars a year?

-Yes

-No

Because THAT'S really the end question.

I think people understand that's the case if they pay all 4, and I assume you are still talking about Bridges being the guy that would be traded, as I think you mentioned, for a high draft pick this year.

I don't think anyone expects CP3 to get less than $30, and Book will make close to $34, Ayton probably $27 if he gets a max, and Bridges probably about $22. I think most expect CP3 at $33...so yes, that's $116 with those #s or maybe less if Bridges gets less or CP3 gets less than 33.

Tax still doesn't kick in until amost $141 million, so that's still $25 million for the rest of the team. Saric, Crowder and Payne would make probably $25-$27 combined for 1 year and then we'd have mostly minimums and Cam's rookie deal that year, so we wouldn't be too far into the tax that Sarver said he'd pay.

Then Saric, Carter and Crowder fall off so we are likely fine then, especially since the tax jumps up to nearly $148. Cam will get paid then but probably less than Saric and Crowder make combined, then there is Carter falling off. Even if we were barely in the tax those years I don't think barely being in the tax a year or even two would make Sarver dump a key player.

Then Paul is gone after 3 years I'm sure.

We really have to see what Paul does though. If he opts in to get the $45 next year while Ayton and Bridges are still on rookie deals and then we can give him more like 2/$50 for the next two years, then it helps...could even stay under the tax.

Regardless, it's not like we'd be WAY in the tax and Sarver has been hungry for a competitive team for a long time. And although he may be more like an armchair fan looking at Bridges ppg and what superstars score against him, I am quite sure Jones and Monty would emphasize how important he is to the core.

[Slim Charless]

BW. (I assume you made the poll)

You should've worded that poll differently:

Do you think Sarver will pay 4 players 115M dollars a year?

-Yes

-No

Because THAT'S really the end question.

I think people understand that's the case if they pay all 4, and I assume you are still talking about Bridges being the guy that would be traded, as I think you mentioned, for a high draft pick this year.

I don't think anyone expects CP3 to get less than $30, and Book will make close to $34, Ayton probably $27 if he gets a max, and Bridges probably about $22. I think most expect CP3 at $33...so yes, that's $116 with those #s or maybe less if Bridges gets less or CP3 gets less than 33.

Tax still doesn't kick in until amost $141 million, so that's still $25 million for the rest of the team. Saric, Crowder and Payne would make probably $25-$27 combined for 1 year and then we'd have mostly minimums and Cam's rookie deal that year, so we wouldn't be too far into the tax that Sarver said he'd pay.

Then Saric, Carter and Crowder fall off so we are likely fine then, especially since the tax jumps up to nearly $148. Cam will get paid then but probably less than Saric and Crowder make combined, then there is Carter falling off. Even if we were barely in the tax those years I don't think barely being in the tax a year or even two would make Sarver dump a key player.

Then Paul is gone after 3 years I'm sure.

We really have to see what Paul does though. If he opts in to get the $45 next year while Ayton and Bridges are still on rookie deals and then we can give him more like 2/$50 for the next two years, then it helps...could even stay under the tax.

Regardless, it's not like we'd be WAY in the tax and Sarver has been hungry for a competitive team for a long time. And although he may be more like an armchair fan looking at Bridges ppg and what superstars score against him, I am quite sure Jones and Monty would emphasize how important he is to the core.

It's not quite the same as putting out the cold, hard numbers that we'll be dealing with. I don't think those 4 return for under 115M. For 4 players. From someone who is widely considered the cheapest owner in the league. Now he says he'll pay, maybe he will. I'd point out that grabbing Suggs gives him flexibility as it regards to Payne. Maybe he'll take a smaller deal now from us.

Also to your above point, I remember Mids scoring more than 11, but nonetheless he has been huge and should be-imo someone Bridges should be able to lock down. He's dealt with much harder match-ups in these playoffs: LeBron, MPJ to start with and he did better on them. Mids should never be able to put up that much.

[BobbieL]

BW. (I assume you made the poll)

You should've worded that poll differently:

Do you think Sarver will pay 4 players 115M dollars a year?

-Yes

-No

Because THAT'S really the end question.

I think people understand that's the case if they pay all 4, and I assume you are still talking about Bridges being the guy that would be traded, as I think you mentioned, for a high draft pick this year.

I don't think anyone expects CP3 to get less than $30, and Book will make close to $34, Ayton probably $27 if he gets a max, and Bridges probably about $22. I think most expect CP3 at $33...so yes, that's $116 with those #s or maybe less if Bridges gets less or CP3 gets less than 33.

Tax still doesn't kick in until amost $141 million, so that's still $25 million for the rest of the team. Saric, Crowder and Payne would make probably $25-$27 combined for 1 year and then we'd have mostly minimums and Cam's rookie deal that year, so we wouldn't be too far into the tax that Sarver said he'd pay.

Then Saric, Carter and Crowder fall off so we are likely fine then, especially since the tax jumps up to nearly $148. Cam will get paid then but probably less than Saric and Crowder make combined, then there is Carter falling off. Even if we were barely in the tax those years I don't think barely being in the tax a year or even two would make Sarver dump a key player.

Then Paul is gone after 3 years I'm sure.

We really have to see what Paul does though. If he opts in to get the $45 next year while Ayton and Bridges are still on rookie deals and then we can give him more like 2/$50 for the next two years, then it helps...could even stay under the tax.

Regardless, it's not like we'd be WAY in the tax and Sarver has been hungry for a competitive team for a long time. And although he may be more like an armchair fan looking at Bridges ppg and what superstars score against him, I am quite sure Jones and Monty would emphasize how important he is to the core.

I think this is reasonable and realistic process and plan. The Suns have a good thing in place. They should run this team back next year as much as possible. They should only get better more years with this program and players getting older and better

[bwgood77]

BW. (I assume you made the poll)

You should've worded that poll differently:

Do you think Sarver will pay 4 players 115M dollars a year?

-Yes

-No

Because THAT'S really the end question.

I think people understand that's the case if they pay all 4, and I assume you are still talking about Bridges being the guy that would be traded, as I think you mentioned, for a high draft pick this year.

I don't think anyone expects CP3 to get less than $30, and Book will make close to $34, Ayton probably $27 if he gets a max, and Bridges probably about $22. I think most expect CP3 at $33...so yes, that's $116 with those #s or maybe less if Bridges gets less or CP3 gets less than 33.

Tax still doesn't kick in until amost $141 million, so that's still $25 million for the rest of the team. Saric, Crowder and Payne would make probably $25-$27 combined for 1 year and then we'd have mostly minimums and Cam's rookie deal that year, so we wouldn't be too far into the tax that Sarver said he'd pay.

Then Saric, Carter and Crowder fall off so we are likely fine then, especially since the tax jumps up to nearly $148. Cam will get paid then but probably less than Saric and Crowder make combined, then there is Carter falling off. Even if we were barely in the tax those years I don't think barely being in the tax a year or even two would make Sarver dump a key player.

Then Paul is gone after 3 years I'm sure.

We really have to see what Paul does though. If he opts in to get the $45 next year while Ayton and Bridges are still on rookie deals and then we can give him more like 2/$50 for the next two years, then it helps...could even stay under the tax.

Regardless, it's not like we'd be WAY in the tax and Sarver has been hungry for a competitive team for a long time. And although he may be more like an armchair fan looking at Bridges ppg and what superstars score against him, I am quite sure Jones and Monty would emphasize how important he is to the core.

It's not quite the same as putting out the cold, hard numbers that we'll be dealing with. I don't think those 4 return for under 115M. For 4 players. From someone who is widely considered the cheapest owner in the league. Now he says he'll pay, maybe he will. I'd point out that grabbing Suggs gives him flexibility as it regards to Payne. Maybe he'll take a smaller deal now from us.

Also to your above point, I remember Mids scoring more than 11, but nonetheless he has been huge and should be-imo someone Bridges should be able to lock down. He's dealt with much harder match-ups in these playoffs: LeBron, MPJ to start with and he did better on them. Mids should never be able to put up that much.

Mids has been great when the Bucks are down and sometimes tied this entire playoffs...scored between like 23 and 38 on often absurd shooting %. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2103224

Booker is often guarded by Jrue who is on fire and was all NBA defense...would you expect him to shut down Book every game?

[irish22022]

Sign and trade CP3 + bridges + 1st rounders

Get back

Dame time

Who does it?

[BobbieL]

Sign and trade CP3 + bridges + 1st rounders

Get back

Dame time

Who does it?

I think I prefer Paul and Bridges to Lillard because I think Paul is a very good PG to pair with Booker. I like the Suns TEAM - I am not sure trying to build a super team is the way to go.

[wheezy]

I'd do it if it didn't involve Bridges.

[bwgood77]

Sign and trade CP3 + bridges + 1st rounders

Get back

Dame time

Who does it?

I think I prefer Paul and Bridges to Lillard because I think Paul is a very good PG to pair with Booker. I like the Suns TEAM - I am not sure trying to build a super team is the way to go.

Why would Portland want CP3? Can't trade him anyway.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Sign and trade CP3 + bridges + 1st rounders

Get back

Dame time

Who does it?

I think I prefer Paul and Bridges to Lillard because I think Paul is a very good PG to pair with Booker. I like the Suns TEAM - I am not sure trying to build a super team is the way to go.

Why would Portland want CP3? Can't trade him anyway.

Technically they could trade CP3 either in a S&T or of he opts in BUT he would control that and would have to want to go to Portland. Which absolutely won't happen.

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[Gorilla Warfare]

Our arena will be named Footprint Center starting next season. Not great.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Our arena will be named Footprint Center starting next season. Not great.

I actually kind of like 'The Foot' as a nickname and foot soldiers or the foot clan as possible fan names.

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[bwgood77]

I think I prefer Paul and Bridges to Lillard because I think Paul is a very good PG to pair with Booker. I like the Suns TEAM - I am not sure trying to build a super team is the way to go.

Why would Portland want CP3? Can't trade him anyway.

Technically they could trade CP3 either in a S&T or of he opts in BUT he would control that and would have to want to go to Portland. Which absolutely won't happen.

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Well sure, which is why I say they can't because it would essentially be up to Paul.

But the main thing is Portland is trading a superstar in their prime and will want either a superstar back, a young star and pieces, or a couple decent players with a ton of picks and maybe a prospect for a rebuild.

There is zero chance from Portland's side they would want CP3 as the main guy in a trade at his age. That would be like someone offering us Kyle Lowry as the main piece in a Booker deal. Even though he has a ton of talent he is 35 (though Paul is even 36).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Why would Portland want CP3? Can't trade him anyway.

Technically they could trade CP3 either in a S&T or of he opts in BUT he would control that and would have to want to go to Portland. Which absolutely won't happen.

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Well sure, which is why I say they can't because it would essentially be up to Paul.

But the main thing is Portland is trading a superstar in their prime and will want either a superstar back, a young star and pieces, or a couple decent players with a ton of picks and maybe a prospect for a rebuild.

There is zero chance from Portland's side they would want CP3 as the main guy in a trade at his age. That would be like someone offering us Kyle Lowry as the main piece in a Booker deal. Even though he has a ton of talent he is 35 (though Paul is even 36).

For sure.

Dame also has 4 years left on his deal so Portland might just say 'na we're not trading you'. Hell they already have a PR disaster of an off-season so it's not like they should care if some in the media bash them for not giving in.

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[bwgood77]

Our arena will be named Footprint Center starting next season. Not great.

Not great while Booker, Ayton and Paul are leaving their footprint behind on the season?

Are you sure it's next season? I think it's now. Unless it's just a picture drawn up of what the arena will look like. They've been officially without a name sponsor since November even though they may still have gone by Talking Stick..

The new arena name, as well as the sponsoring company name, are derived from the intention to reduce the footprint we leave behind us.

Suns managing partner Robert Sarver spoke to CNBC on Wednesday. He said the agreement is “one of the most unique partnerships in sports” because Footprint has full access to the arena and will use events to test new technologies.

“We’re going to innovate and transform how sports venues operate,” Sarver said. “The idea is Footprint will create an innovation lab for us within our arena, and then we can take that and get other arenas throughout the world interested in doing the same thing.”

Footprint makes sustainable products like ready-to-eat dinner containers made from bio-based, biodegradable, compostable and recyclable fibers. Footprint has deals with companies including Swanson foods (makers of Hungry-Man frozen dinners) and Conagra Brands (Healthy Choice dinners). To date, Footprint has raised more than $500 million, according to PitchBook.

Footprint is an environmental-based tech company that wants to eliminate single-use plastics. The Arizona-based firm develops and manufactures plant-based packaging products and is recognized on the 2021 CNBC Disruptor 50 list, which honors private companies leading out of the pandemic.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/16/phoenix-suns-arena-will-be-called-footprint-center.html

[BobbieL]

Sign and trade CP3 + bridges + 1st rounders

Get back

Dame time

Who does it?

I think I prefer Paul and Bridges to Lillard because I think Paul is a very good PG to pair with Booker. I like the Suns TEAM - I am not sure trying to build a super team is the way to go.

Why would Portland want CP3? Can't trade him anyway.

I just do not know a match for Lillard. The best match might be something the Warriors can come up with: Wiseman, Wiggins and a couple picks this year

[bwgood77]

Technically they could trade CP3 either in a S&T or of he opts in BUT he would control that and would have to want to go to Portland. Which absolutely won't happen.

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Well sure, which is why I say they can't because it would essentially be up to Paul.

But the main thing is Portland is trading a superstar in their prime and will want either a superstar back, a young star and pieces, or a couple decent players with a ton of picks and maybe a prospect for a rebuild.

There is zero chance from Portland's side they would want CP3 as the main guy in a trade at his age. That would be like someone offering us Kyle Lowry as the main piece in a Booker deal. Even though he has a ton of talent he is 35 (though Paul is even 36).

For sure.

Dame also has 4 years left on his deal so Portland might just say 'na we're not trading you'. Hell they already have a PR disaster of an off-season so it's not like they should care if some in the media bash them for not giving in.

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