Hal’s Draft Thread

[return2glory]

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Another player we should look at 45.

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More proof this draft is all over the place, normally a decent mocker, CBS sports now has Brandon Boston going 9 to Sac and Gregg Brown going 14 to GS. amongst others.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-mock-draft-8-0-jalen-green-no-2-evan-mobley-no-3-if-picks-based-on-highest-upside/

Crazy! Almost as if they randomly shuffled the board! It does go to show that there is a great deal of depth in this draft. If we keep pick 45 (and I hope we do) we might get a decent player. If the management's thinking is that we don't need any more young players right now, we should use the pick as a draft and stash. Like this guy...

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Badji is an intriguing one for sure. I don't think we need to add more centers. But here's the thing - Badji shows some crazy upside and is only 18 years old. If we stash him (either overseas on on g-league team) for 2 yrs, then we add him to the roster at the end of Horford's contract (when Horford will likely retire). With how good Badji looks now, he could really be an animal 2 yrs from now. Then again, what if 2 yrs from now Time Lord and Moses are both still here and both playing well - there won't be enough mins to go around for them and Badji - good problem to have I suppose - you could always trade 1 of them at that point..

I'm onboard with swinging for the fences with this pick. Maker, Aldama, Badji. These guys have the highest ceiling. Vrenz has a really high veiling too but I am thinking he will probably be gone before 45 - dude has done workouts for 12 NBA teams.

Bring Maker, Aldama and Badji in to Boston for a workout, interview them and see which one you like best. Chances are they'll all still be there at 45. All 3 could eventually be all-stars if they put in the work and stay healthy.

[Curmudgeon]

There are at least half a dozen other stashable international prospects: Petrusev, Jokabaitis, Hukporti, Begarin. Bliejenburgh, Diop etc.

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There are at least half a dozen other stashable international prospects: Petrusev, Jokabaitis, Hukporti, Begarin. Bliejenburgh, Diop etc.

Yeah I'm saying that from what I've seen, Maker, Aldama and Badji have the highest ceiling out of those guys. Seems like Vrenz will likely be gone before 45. Jokabaitas I think could be a good solid player but I don't see the same type of ceiling due to lack of speed/athleticism/size.

Petrusev is 21. Teams don't typically stash guys who are that old - it's usually guys who are 18-20, maybe 21 at the most. Petrusev is intriguing cause he's such a good shooter at that size but he seems really slow and unathletic so IDK about him. Could be a decent stretch big off the bench but not seeing the same type of upside in him as I see in Maker/Aldama/Badji who could all turn into stars potentially.

Begarin I've heard good things about and would have to look into him more..same with Diop

[Celts17Pride]

I mean whoever is picked at 45 will be the Celtics new two way player and make the Maine Celtics very happy.

Get a wing or point guard with some potential that’s 6’2” or taller or a big man PF/C taller than a legitimate 6’8”.

[Curmudgeon]

Who knows? NBAdraft'net has Roko slipping to #50. If by some miracle he's available at #45, that's a no brainer.

Plus there may be guys who could help right away. It's not as if the Celtics have a stacked roster with no room for anyone new.

[moonie_mcgee]

At 45 the best available upside prospect could be the wisest way to draft. If the player is redundant with other players down the road then he's a good pick and resolve it then.

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Who knows? NBAdraft'net has Roko slipping to #50. If by some miracle he's available at #45, that's a no brainer.

Plus there may be guys who could help right away. It's not as if the Celtics have a stacked roster with no room for anyone new.

I highly doubt that Roko is still there at 45 but if he is then yes, you take him:

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After that I am still high on Makur Maker and Santi Aldama.

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Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

He's Rob Williams...except he's only 18, he's 7'1", already has a better jump shot and is slightly quicker/more agile.

Brad, please bring in Maker, Aldama and Badji in for a workout and interview. At least 1 or 2 of them..

Badji's ceiling is being the next Bam Adebayo...if Bam was 7'1" instead of 6'9". So yeah, pretty high ceiling. Cause like, if Bam was 7'1" you're looking at a top 15 player in the league.

[playa-hater]

Clearly Everyone's heads are spinning more than mine as you guys cannot make up your mind.. Just the reminder as of right now we only have one pic.

With so many good prospects surely Brad Stevens can't blow it is right?? Lol

[BostonCouchGM]

Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

He's Rob Williams...except he's only 18, he's 7'1", already has a better jump shot and is slightly quicker/more agile.

Brad, please bring in Maker, Aldama and Badji in for a workout and interview. At least 1 or 2 of them..

Badji's ceiling is being the next Bam Adebayo...if Bam was 7'1" instead of 6'9". So yeah, pretty high ceiling. Cause like, if Bam was 7'1" you're looking at a top 15 player in the league.

I think he's late 1st or very early 2nd. But yeah, definitely worth using the #45 on if he's there. It's probably going to take the duration of his rookie contract to develop but these are the types of projects teams should be taking on in the 2nd round anyway. And who knows, maybe he's a quick study with great work ethic and a good head on his shoulders and makes it over quicker.

[winsomme2]

Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

He's Rob Williams...except he's only 18, he's 7'1", already has a better jump shot and is slightly quicker/more agile.

Brad, please bring in Maker, Aldama and Badji in for a workout and interview. At least 1 or 2 of them..

Badji's ceiling is being the next Bam Adebayo...if Bam was 7'1" instead of 6'9". So yeah, pretty high ceiling. Cause like, if Bam was 7'1" you're looking at a top 15 player in the league.

I think he's late 1st or very early 2nd. But yeah, definitely worth using the #45 on if he's there. It's probably going to take the duration of his rookie contract to develop but these are the types of projects teams should be taking on in the 2nd round anyway. And who knows, maybe he's a quick study with great work ethic and a good head on his shoulders and makes it over quicker.

I'd prefer a high floor guy like:

Joe Wieskamp
Isaiah Livers
Jericho Sims
Jeremiah Robinson Earl

But the tape on Badji is pretty impressive

[playa-hater]

Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

He's Rob Williams...except he's only 18, he's 7'1", already has a better jump shot and is slightly quicker/more agile.

Brad, please bring in Maker, Aldama and Badji in for a workout and interview. At least 1 or 2 of them..

Badji's ceiling is being the next Bam Adebayo...if Bam was 7'1" instead of 6'9". So yeah, pretty high ceiling. Cause like, if Bam was 7'1" you're looking at a top 15 player in the league.

I think he's late 1st or very early 2nd. But yeah, definitely worth using the #45 on if he's there. It's probably going to take the duration of his rookie contract to develop but these are the types of projects teams should be taking on in the 2nd round anyway. And who knows, maybe he's a quick study with great work ethic and a good head on his shoulders and makes it over quicker.

I'd prefer a high floor guy like:

Joe Wieskamp
Isaiah Livers
Jericho Sims
Jeremiah Robinson Earl

But the tape on Badji is pretty impressive

For me it depends. I would want a higher ceiling player if the ceiling wasn't so far away. I also would mind a Wieskamp who I feel can step in right away.

Wieskamp for example is still in my top 2 with Vrenz. But that of course doesn't include a few that most likely won't be there at 45. JT Thor is my top choice for players listed to possibly go into rd 2. High ceiling and high floor.

[Half-Full]

Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

A perfect draft and stash candidate. Yes he is raw, but he is only 18 and shows some decent skills (not to mention a 7'8" wingspan). How much more impressive will he be in another 2-3 years? My guess is that he will be NBA ready.

[cloverleaf]

Sure, a stash could make sense at 45. Then there could be a couple of worthy prospects who just miss getting drafted and could be pounced upon to replenish the C's 2-way stock. Promote Tacko and make Yam their token rookie roster player.

[playa-hater]

With the type of talent there is combined with the current lack of talent on this roster there is no way We need to stash a player or put him on a 2 way contract.

After the last pick of the draft , there should be some talent we can bring in as well, maybe those players can be put on a 2 way contract. I expect pick 45 to be in uniform and possibly contribute

[Parliament10]

Damn, this dude is only 18. Imagine how good he'll be at age 22:

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This dude is a lottery-level talent that we could possibly grab with 45th pick.

A perfect draft and stash candidate. Yes he is raw, but he is only 18 and shows some decent skills (not to mention a 7'8" wingspan). How much more impressive will he be in another 2-3 years? My guess is that he will be NBA ready.

Sure, a stash could make sense at 45. Then there could be a couple of worthy prospects who just miss getting drafted and could be pounced upon to replenish the C's 2-way stock. Promote Tacko and make Yam their token rookie roster player.

With the type of talent there is combined with the current lack of talent on this roster there is no way We need to stash a player or put him on a 2 way contract.

After the last pick of the draft , there should be some talent we can bring in as well, maybe those players can be put on a 2 way contract. I expect pick 45 to be in uniform and possibly contribute

Looks like Everyone has a good point.
I'd really like to see what Stevens does, with the Draft and everything else.

It's also getting to that point, where we need to increase the Two-Way contracts from at least 3, to as many as 5.
We also need to add another Round to Draft. As well as, set the salaries for the Top 45, instead of just the Top 30.

[Parliament10]

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With the type of talent there is combined with the current lack of talent on this roster there is no way We need to stash a player or put him on a 2 way contract.

After the last pick of the draft , there should be some talent we can bring in as well, maybe those players can be put on a 2 way contract. I expect pick 45 to be in uniform and possibly contribute

Regardless of whether we stash the guy we pick for a year or 2 or put him directly onto the roster, IMO Maker, Aldama and Badji all have the potential to be all-stars. I'd rather aim high, go big or go home here with this pick. These 3 guys have crazy high upside, based on what I have seen. If you've got a chance to get a lottery-level talent with the 45th pick you jump on it.

You pick them with 45th pick rather than waiting to try and scoop them up as UDFA because a) the guy you want might get taken with pick 46-60 and b) even if the guy you want goes undrafted, you're now competing with the other 29 teams to try and sign him

Some people are saying they would even pick Badji no. 1 overall in this draft. Some people are calling Maker a top 10 player in this draft. I think Aldama is also a lottery level talent.

All 3 of these guys probably would be best to stash them for at least a year (maybe 2) though because Aldama faced weak competition in Patriot league so a bridge year would be good playing either in G-league or a tough european league before making the jump to the NBA, Maker only played 2 college games and they were facing weak teams and Badji is only 18 so he needs a year to develop more and we don't really need another center right now

I don't feel like we have a lack of talent on the roster. On paper (when healthy) our roster was just as good this past season as the Suns and they're in the finals. It's just that we had way more injuries than phoenix and worse coaching.

As other people have mentioned, we have too many young guys on the roster as it is - plus we're possibly adding Madar (age 20) to the roster so that will be another young guy. We need to get older, not younger. The 10 youngest teams in NBA: OKC, MIN, MEM, ORL, DET, NOR, BOS, CHA, SAC, SAN. None of them were contenders this season and most of them were at the bottom of the standings.

By stashing our 45th pick, it opens up a roster spot that we can use to sign a veteran player. Someone like a Jae Crowder/PJ Tucker/Marcus Morris type.

Also, most of the guys you are saying you want to pick who would be able to contribute right away (Vrenz, Wieskamp, Thor) are likely to be gone before 45. Vrenz is getting a lot of buzz, he's working out for 14 teams in 23 days according to his twitter. Thor most people are saying he'll be gone in the 1st round, some are even picking him to go in the lottery. Wieskamp will likely go earlier in 2nd round before our pick.

Vrenz, Wieskamp, Thor and Kessler Edwards are all gone before 45 in this mock that was just posted:
http://mavsdraft.com/5th-community-mock-draft/

These guys aren't exactly ready to contribute right away anyways. Vrenz needs to get stronger and work on his shooting consistency before he is ready to contribute to a good NBA team. Thor is only 18 yrs old and is still pretty raw. Wieskamp is probably more ready to contribute right away than Thor/Vrenz (Wieskamp is also more likely to still be on the board for us) but IDK, I'd probably rather go with a guy like Badji, Aldama or Maker who have a much higher ceiling. Wieskamp will give you more over the next 2 years but IMO Aldama/Badji/Maker would you A LOT more over the next 10 years, plus you could sign a veteran player who is better than Wieskamp to contribute over the next 2 years until Badji/Aldama/Maker are ready.

Oh man, have heard some hype recently about Begarin. Just now checking out some footage of him. Holy sh&t this dude is a freak. Really strong build for an 18 yr old. Look at the way Begarin attacks the rim, finishes with authority, very quick/explosive off the dribble, can shoot from 3. 6'6" with a 7'0" wingspan. Picture perfect shooting form from 3. Looks like he shot 34% from 3 this year but that's pretty good for an 18 yr old kid playing in a pro league in Europe.

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Highlights from a game Begarin played just 2 weeks ago:

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Shows some really good court vision, unselfishness and play making with passes. And just seems automatic, really smooth on his catch and shoot 3 and you see him rive right past his man and score at the rim if the defender plays up on him too much to try and take away his 3 point shot. Yes folks, he's only 18 so this dude will be even better 2-3 yrs from now..

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[playa-hater]

If my top 3 choices are gone, Vrenz, Weiskamp and *JT Thor are gone I am all in on Badji.. IF he works out and Boston's brass gets a real close look.