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Post#1601 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:21 am

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Still don't know how Obi gets no respect yet Franks got a fan club that rivals Bieber. :nonono:


It's not that Obi gets no respect. It's just that Obi is blocked by Randle. Who's Frank blocked by? :lol:

Obi has a shyt beginning to the season but really looked good at the end, particularly in the playoffs. I would prefer that we don't give him up.


Logic lost on a large portion of this fanbase.


We drafted Obi thinking that we had Fizdale-Randle going into this past season and that we'd end up trading Randle for picks or other young players to match up with Obi. Oops. We'll figure that out this season with those two. All of which is not to say that Obi is untouchable.
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Post#1602 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:26 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:When was the last time a Knicks free agent or trade rumors was accurate?


1/26/21:

Shams wrote:New York and the Clippers are among interested teams in Pistons guard Derrick Rose, sources said. Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has a long history with Rose, coaching the former league MVP in Chicago and Minnesota.


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Post#1603 » by iLLmatic860 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:21 am

SelbyCobra wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:When was the last time a Knicks free agent or trade rumors was accurate?


1/26/21:

Shams wrote:New York and the Clippers are among interested teams in Pistons guard Derrick Rose, sources said. Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has a long history with Rose, coaching the former league MVP in Chicago and Minnesota.


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That doesnt count lol. It was rumored 1 day before actually happening

I dont ever see these summer rumors
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Post#1604 » by SelbyCobra » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:40 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:When was the last time a Knicks free agent or trade rumors was accurate?


1/26/21:

Shams wrote:New York and the Clippers are among interested teams in Pistons guard Derrick Rose, sources said. Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has a long history with Rose, coaching the former league MVP in Chicago and Minnesota.


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That doesnt count lol. It was rumored 1 day before actually happening

I dont ever see these summer rumors
Come true


Summer is different and who knows what happens with Sexton, but that first Shams rumor I posted was nearly two weeks before the Rose deal went down - here's our "hell no" thread about it, which included this post. Time is a flat circle... :lol:

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Post#1605 » by DickGrayson » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:55 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:
KnixtapeH20 wrote:Idk but bibby was SO **** trash. Beyond washed

Poor guy was forced to play in the playoffs cause Shumpert and baron davis got injured. And then “85% healed” Jeremy Lin didn’t wanna ruin his payday.


Like Melo didn’t want to ruin his payday when he forced a trade and got the Knicks to give up a shytton of assets? Or how “social justice warrior” Melo somehow felt comfortable calling out the only Asian American player in the NBA for a ridiculous contract? Of course he didn’t do it to anyone else, of course. Or how the Knicks ended up trading for Felton to appease him?

Or you feel it’s okay for a minimum player who was about to cut from the league, sleeping on a friend’s coach, to risk his career for a jealous 100 million+ player who didn’t like him and went out of his way to alienate and remove him from the team anyway? The one who got ridden by Mike D’Antoni like Secretariat to help the Knicks get many crucial wins when they were screwed? Especially in a league where Isaiah Thomas gets traded by the Celtics after what he did for them?

Yah, eff Melo. I saw who he was as a person after that. And yah, I can’t ever prove that what he did was 100% racist but the Asian American side of me has his suspicions.

Edit: oh and a lot of Melo’s racist fans on realGM were even worse. Course it was more okay to hate Asians back then, so it kinda explains why Melo said what he said and what his fans said.



I truly find your take on this disgusting.

Melo/Lin thing didn't work.

That doesn't mean Melo is racist because Turnover Lin couldn't be anything more in the NBA than a 3rd string PG, which isn't bad at all.

Now it's in your signature? You literally carry the the victim badge and make some **** up like Melo is racist?

So now apparently any black guy who doesn't worship Lin has some type of racism against Asians? wtf

I've been reading on a RealGM for almost two decades and this is by far the worst take I've read on the forums, and trust me you can go to page 1 on the GB and find hot takes on 98% of the post. But this right here is the worst. I'm actually shocked you still get to post on the forums spreading propaganda in your sig and making false claims that Melo is racist when he's been one of the most selfless guys in the league in the past couple of seasons. Where as Lin is too busy crying victim and crying to the world why he doesn't have a job in the NBA and has to play back up in the CBA because he's not even in the best guard in that league.

Lin was just turnover prone and streaky. No way Knicks needed to keep him when he was never a top 25 guard in the league.

Folks like you is what's toxic to basketball. Because instead of loving the sport and the NBA, you become obsessed and have to assume everyone has to worship Lin because he shares your race. Grow up. Your take is hot caca and you represent fake-victim culture looking for sympathy and trying to stain other men's name in the crusade for you to spread nonsense about racism that never happen.

Lin leaving NY was one of the best things for NY and he didn't amount to anything except failing at every role he was given with every team. There was no "fit" for Lin because theres better players who do what he does at a higher level. That has nothing to do with racism. You're soft.
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Post#1606 » by DickGrayson » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:00 am

KnicksGadfly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
Like Melo didn’t want to ruin his payday when he forced a trade and got the Knicks to give up a shytton of assets? Or how “social justice warrior” Melo somehow felt comfortable calling out the only Asian American player in the NBA for a ridiculous contract? Of course he didn’t do it to anyone else, of course. Or how the Knicks ended up trading for Felton to appease him?

Or you feel it’s okay for a minimum player who was about to cut from the league, sleeping on a friend’s coach, to risk his career for a jealous 100 million+ player who didn’t like him and went out of his way to alienate and remove him from the team anyway? The one who got ridden by Mike D’Antoni like Secretariat to help the Knicks get many crucial wins when they were screwed? Especially in a league where Isaiah Thomas gets traded by the Celtics after what he did for them?

Yah, eff Melo. And yah, I can’t ever prove that what he did was 100% racist but the Asian American side of me has his suspicions.

Yeah this guy is definitely racist. FOH :lol:
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That contract was definitely ridiculous. And he was right. What is Lin doing in the NBA right now? :lol:

You seem big mad that your boy Lin is a scrub and out of the NBA. Go root for him on whatever over seas team he’s on. Crying over Lin is like crying over Cole Aldrich. And mike D’anphony? Lmfao. Trash ass coach. That’s why he’s not a head coach anymore. Just like how ya mans Lin can’t get no contract by anyone. Meanwhile Melo breaking records till this day and just became a top 10 scorer of all time. I’m enjoying the tears!


All it says is that Melo is a hypocrite. That’s all. Like I’m an Asian American and I do care about black people. And I hope I can do better with those issues. But I also know Asian American justice warriors who are racist as hell against other ethnicities. I applaud what Melo did for his people. Applaud the stand he took for Black Lives Matter. Beyond that, all I know is that he pretty much othered the Asian American guy on his team. Then again it wasn’t like he was alone, but Melo had the most influence.

As for Lin, yah, he wasn’t that great. Not an all star. So yea, we can agree there. So why are you so mad at him? He had a very successful career for where he came from. Undrafted, racist barriers, intentional racism, etc. So why did Melo feel so threatened?


This is what usually racist people say to mask how they really feel. "I have a black friend" "I like black people" "I respect black culture".

You're repeating yourself in your last sentence and still have no point. Melo was never threaten. Lin was never good and Knicks had better success without Lin than with him. over 50 wins...that was not with Lin, slappy. You're severely overrating him for your crusade to make it seem like Asians are oppressed by blacks like Melo. Clown tales.
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Post#1607 » by aggo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:12 am

Wisedude wrote:The Knicks need Colin Sexton real bad because they have no one who can matchup against Trae Young.



no.

we need Sexton because randle is not a #1 scoring threat to base your entire offense around. He's a good #2 or #3 on a championship level team. We saw what happened when you went iso-Randle in the wing in the playoffs. He failed badly and its a losing strategy against teams that are able to execute gameplans in the playoffs.

Sexton fixes that issue because hes got some playmaking ability and primary ball handling ability. his ability to score efficiently makes us a better team immediately because he will be taking minutes from PG/SG.

do people realize our starting PG-SG-SF averaged:

10ppg
17ppg
10ppg?

that is literally at the bottom of the league in terms of production. we need guys that can create and score.


Lonzo sucks ass and wouldn't be good in the playoffs because its a lot of half court offense and he cant create or make his own shot. He's basically a 3D SG in the playoffs.
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Post#1608 » by aggo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:15 am

DickGrayson wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Yeah this guy is definitely racist. FOH :lol:
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That contract was definitely ridiculous. And he was right. What is Lin doing in the NBA right now? :lol:

You seem big mad that your boy Lin is a scrub and out of the NBA. Go root for him on whatever over seas team he’s on. Crying over Lin is like crying over Cole Aldrich. And mike D’anphony? Lmfao. Trash ass coach. That’s why he’s not a head coach anymore. Just like how ya mans Lin can’t get no contract by anyone. Meanwhile Melo breaking records till this day and just became a top 10 scorer of all time. I’m enjoying the tears!


All it says is that Melo is a hypocrite. That’s all. Like I’m an Asian American and I do care about black people. And I hope I can do better with those issues. But I also know Asian American justice warriors who are racist as hell against other ethnicities. I applaud what Melo did for his people. Applaud the stand he took for Black Lives Matter. Beyond that, all I know is that he pretty much othered the Asian American guy on his team. Then again it wasn’t like he was alone, but Melo had the most influence.

As for Lin, yah, he wasn’t that great. Not an all star. So yea, we can agree there. So why are you so mad at him? He had a very successful career for where he came from. Undrafted, racist barriers, intentional racism, etc. So why did Melo feel so threatened?


This is what usually racist people say to mask how they really feel. "I have a black friend" "I like black people" "I respect black culture".

You're repeating yourself in your last sentence and still have no point. Melo was never threaten. Lin was never good and Knicks had better success without Lin than with him. over 50 wins...that was not with Lin, slappy. You're severely overrating him for your crusade to make it seem like Asians are oppressed by blacks like Melo. Clown tales.


iirc Melo was actually the guy that asked Dantoni to play Lin in the first place

but Melo did break one rule amongst players that made me think he was jealous-- he criticized Lin's contract with the Rockets that offseason. Players never talk about other guys' money.

and I dont think Lin is out of the league because of racism. I do think there are some teams that worry about how Lin would fit in a locker room, but mostly Lin isn't in the NBA anymore because hes made of glass.
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Post#1609 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:44 am

If we could resign Sexton at a reasonable deal, i.e. tradeable, then maybe. I see him more as a scorer off the bench and we already have IQ there.

At 4 years/$80M, he's still a moveable asset. I don't know what that tipping point is tho. I wouldn't want to get stuck with it by overpaying.
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Post#1610 » by Jeffrey » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:12 am

aggo wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
All it says is that Melo is a hypocrite. That’s all. Like I’m an Asian American and I do care about black people. And I hope I can do better with those issues. But I also know Asian American justice warriors who are racist as hell against other ethnicities. I applaud what Melo did for his people. Applaud the stand he took for Black Lives Matter. Beyond that, all I know is that he pretty much othered the Asian American guy on his team. Then again it wasn’t like he was alone, but Melo had the most influence.

As for Lin, yah, he wasn’t that great. Not an all star. So yea, we can agree there. So why are you so mad at him? He had a very successful career for where he came from. Undrafted, racist barriers, intentional racism, etc. So why did Melo feel so threatened?


This is what usually racist people say to mask how they really feel. "I have a black friend" "I like black people" "I respect black culture".

You're repeating yourself in your last sentence and still have no point. Melo was never threaten. Lin was never good and Knicks had better success without Lin than with him. over 50 wins...that was not with Lin, slappy. You're severely overrating him for your crusade to make it seem like Asians are oppressed by blacks like Melo. Clown tales.


iirc Melo was actually the guy that asked Dantoni to play Lin in the first place

but Melo did break one rule amongst players that made me think he was jealous-- he criticized Lin's contract with the Rockets that offseason. Players never talk about other guys' money.

and I dont think Lin is out of the league because of racism. I do think there are some teams that worry about how Lin would fit in a locker room, but mostly Lin isn't in the NBA anymore because hes made of glass.


The Lin thing between the Knicks is over. It was a few months of good basketball during the Melo era. You're right that Melo shouldn't call out on ANYONE's contract. That's a huge no-no to talk about other player's money to the media.

As for Melo and his fans, he was in the worst conference and couldn't will the team to the playoffs? If we are to believe that he was a legit top 10 player, he could have gotten us to a few treadmill playoff series right? During his time, who was his best recruiting to the Knicks? JR Smith and his brother? We all know about the best year was when we were loaded with veterans and great role players but other than that, it was just losing during his era.

If you guys hype up Melo this much, then Marbury shouldn't get the same treatment. Marbury had horrible execs and coaches too. But you know what both of them wanted... the spotlight but couldn't carry the team to Ws.
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Post#1611 » by aggo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:08 am

Jeffrey wrote:
aggo wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
This is what usually racist people say to mask how they really feel. "I have a black friend" "I like black people" "I respect black culture".

You're repeating yourself in your last sentence and still have no point. Melo was never threaten. Lin was never good and Knicks had better success without Lin than with him. over 50 wins...that was not with Lin, slappy. You're severely overrating him for your crusade to make it seem like Asians are oppressed by blacks like Melo. Clown tales.


iirc Melo was actually the guy that asked Dantoni to play Lin in the first place

but Melo did break one rule amongst players that made me think he was jealous-- he criticized Lin's contract with the Rockets that offseason. Players never talk about other guys' money.

and I dont think Lin is out of the league because of racism. I do think there are some teams that worry about how Lin would fit in a locker room, but mostly Lin isn't in the NBA anymore because hes made of glass.


The Lin thing between the Knicks is over. It was a few months of good basketball during the Melo era. You're right that Melo shouldn't call out on ANYONE's contract. That's a huge no-no to talk about other player's money to the media.

As for Melo and his fans, he was in the worst conference and couldn't will the team to the playoffs? If we are to believe that he was a legit top 10 player, he could have gotten us to a few treadmill playoff series right? During his time, who was his best recruiting to the Knicks? JR Smith and his brother? We all know about the best year was when we were loaded with veterans and great role players but other than that, it was just losing during his era.

If you guys hype up Melo this much, then Marbury shouldn't get the same treatment. Marbury had horrible execs and coaches too. But you know what both of them wanted... the spotlight but couldn't carry the team to Ws.



I mean we're flying off topic here at some point, but I mean IDK?

Melo is a polarizing player and you're always going to get a wide array of opinions. For me, he just didn't make his teammates that much better. He had every chance to be a point forward but he chose to stay in ISO in the wing and take turnaround fadeaways on the baseline. The ridiculous thing is that if you watch Portland, Melo still takes that same stupid shot, and that kinda says it all to me.

When you boil it down, he was a rare athlete with size and short area quickness but he didn't have the BBIQ to match it. Look at a guy like Tracy McGrady who had similar skills to Melo. Tracy took himself out to the 3pt line and could run an offense that involved his teammates. Melo could never do that because he was too stuck in his way of performing things.

I really do believe George Karl set up Melo's career for failure by letting Melo iso in the wing and post 20 times a game.

it is what it is.... Melo is going to have his rabid NYK fans because ultimately he chose to come here. So a lot of people/fans will repay that loyalty to him.
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Post#1612 » by Marty McFly » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:24 am

Donnie Walsh is going to regret not pulling the trigger on Gallo and #8 for #6. Steph Curry isn't going to get pass Don Nelson! Steph and Mike are a match made in basketball heaven!
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Post#1613 » by KnicksGadfly » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:13 am

DickGrayson wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Poor guy was forced to play in the playoffs cause Shumpert and baron davis got injured. And then “85% healed” Jeremy Lin didn’t wanna ruin his payday.


Like Melo didn’t want to ruin his payday when he forced a trade and got the Knicks to give up a shytton of assets? Or how “social justice warrior” Melo somehow felt comfortable calling out the only Asian American player in the NBA for a ridiculous contract? Of course he didn’t do it to anyone else, of course. Or how the Knicks ended up trading for Felton to appease him?

Or you feel it’s okay for a minimum player who was about to cut from the league, sleeping on a friend’s coach, to risk his career for a jealous 100 million+ player who didn’t like him and went out of his way to alienate and remove him from the team anyway? The one who got ridden by Mike D’Antoni like Secretariat to help the Knicks get many crucial wins when they were screwed? Especially in a league where Isaiah Thomas gets traded by the Celtics after what he did for them?

Yah, eff Melo. I saw who he was as a person after that. And yah, I can’t ever prove that what he did was 100% racist but the Asian American side of me has his suspicions.

Edit: oh and a lot of Melo’s racist fans on realGM were even worse. Course it was more okay to hate Asians back then, so it kinda explains why Melo said what he said and what his fans said.



I truly find your take on this disgusting.

Melo/Lin thing didn't work.

That doesn't mean Melo is racist because Turnover Lin couldn't be anything more in the NBA than a 3rd string PG, which isn't bad at all.

Now it's in your signature? You literally carry the the victim badge and make some **** up like Melo is racist?

So now apparently any black guy who doesn't worship Lin has some type of racism against Asians? wtf

I've been reading on a RealGM for almost two decades and this is by far the worst take I've read on the forums, and trust me you can go to page 1 on the GB and find hot takes on 98% of the post. But this right here is the worst. I'm actually shocked you still get to post on the forums spreading propaganda in your sig and making false claims that Melo is racist when he's been one of the most selfless guys in the league in the past couple of seasons. Where as Lin is too busy crying victim and crying to the world why he doesn't have a job in the NBA and has to play back up in the CBA because he's not even in the best guard in that league.

Lin was just turnover prone and streaky. No way Knicks needed to keep him when he was never a top 25 guard in the league.

Folks like you is what's toxic to basketball. Because instead of loving the sport and the NBA, you become obsessed and have to assume everyone has to worship Lin because he shares your race. Grow up. Your take is hot caca and you represent fake-victim culture looking for sympathy and trying to stain other men's name in the crusade for you to spread nonsense about racism that never happen.

Lin leaving NY was one of the best things for NY and he didn't amount to anything except failing at every role he was given with every team. There was no "fit" for Lin because theres better players who do what he does at a higher level. That has nothing to do with racism. You're soft.


Let me try to reason. First, I think the reverse of what you said is true. Just like one can be an Asian American social justice warrior and be racist towards blacks (or at least do racist things), one can be a Black American social justice warrior and still do racist things against Asians. As for black and Asian issues, you know those dynamics exist. The point I made is what you’re making. You can do a lot of stuff for social justice, but that don’t mean everything is good or right.

I can tell you that Asian Americans have often been other’ed in America as foreigners who don’t belong. They’re also seen as robots and threatening and immigrants that come to take from others. I don’t know if you believe in that or not, but I hope you can see from recent events that this is true.

As for the rest of the post about any black guy who doesn’t worship Lin is racist, you’re reaching. Never said that. So not gonna address it. There are ways to criticize him without going there.

Second, Lin wasn’t that great. Linsanity was probably the highlight. But from where he came from, he had a great career, and honestly, the impact of his career probably is going to be bigger than his on-court results because of his ethnicity. In New York, that was part of his appeal. New York is also about immigration and Ellis Island and hope, and that’s what Lin represented. That’s why this average PG is loved. Some people couldn’t understand that too. So yea, I’m not disputing your characterization of his talent, only how much he was loved and meant to the NBA fans.

Third, I agree Melo should have never felt threatened by Lin, but apparently he did. There are interviews that prove this, and Amare Stoudemire and Mike D’Antoni have referenced that. ESPN magazine did some excellent features. He certainly had the talent not to be threatened. But this wasn’t about the truth, but Melo’s feelings, and for some reason, he felt threatened. Like I said earlier, I think Melo other’ed Lin. Since that moment, he has never spoken about any other player’s contract, never treated anyone else like he ever did Lin. KP came along and he mentored him. Did a lot of good things, but that don’t erase this thing.

Lastly, like I said, Lin owed nothing to Melo. He was almost cut from the league. Melo didn’t really treat him well. And like you all said, he wasn’t that good anyway. So maybe we can be a bit more understanding about why he might not have been ready to risk everything during those playoffs. I’m only bringing this up because this is how that whole discussion started.
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Post#1614 » by 3toheadmelo » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:38 am

KnicksGadfly wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:
KnicksGadfly wrote:
Like Melo didn’t want to ruin his payday when he forced a trade and got the Knicks to give up a shytton of assets? Or how “social justice warrior” Melo somehow felt comfortable calling out the only Asian American player in the NBA for a ridiculous contract? Of course he didn’t do it to anyone else, of course. Or how the Knicks ended up trading for Felton to appease him?

Or you feel it’s okay for a minimum player who was about to cut from the league, sleeping on a friend’s coach, to risk his career for a jealous 100 million+ player who didn’t like him and went out of his way to alienate and remove him from the team anyway? The one who got ridden by Mike D’Antoni like Secretariat to help the Knicks get many crucial wins when they were screwed? Especially in a league where Isaiah Thomas gets traded by the Celtics after what he did for them?

Yah, eff Melo. I saw who he was as a person after that. And yah, I can’t ever prove that what he did was 100% racist but the Asian American side of me has his suspicions.

Edit: oh and a lot of Melo’s racist fans on realGM were even worse. Course it was more okay to hate Asians back then, so it kinda explains why Melo said what he said and what his fans said.



I truly find your take on this disgusting.

Melo/Lin thing didn't work.

That doesn't mean Melo is racist because Turnover Lin couldn't be anything more in the NBA than a 3rd string PG, which isn't bad at all.

Now it's in your signature? You literally carry the the victim badge and make some **** up like Melo is racist?

So now apparently any black guy who doesn't worship Lin has some type of racism against Asians? wtf

I've been reading on a RealGM for almost two decades and this is by far the worst take I've read on the forums, and trust me you can go to page 1 on the GB and find hot takes on 98% of the post. But this right here is the worst. I'm actually shocked you still get to post on the forums spreading propaganda in your sig and making false claims that Melo is racist when he's been one of the most selfless guys in the league in the past couple of seasons. Where as Lin is too busy crying victim and crying to the world why he doesn't have a job in the NBA and has to play back up in the CBA because he's not even in the best guard in that league.

Lin was just turnover prone and streaky. No way Knicks needed to keep him when he was never a top 25 guard in the league.

Folks like you is what's toxic to basketball. Because instead of loving the sport and the NBA, you become obsessed and have to assume everyone has to worship Lin because he shares your race. Grow up. Your take is hot caca and you represent fake-victim culture looking for sympathy and trying to stain other men's name in the crusade for you to spread nonsense about racism that never happen.

Lin leaving NY was one of the best things for NY and he didn't amount to anything except failing at every role he was given with every team. There was no "fit" for Lin because theres better players who do what he does at a higher level. That has nothing to do with racism. You're soft.


Let me try to reason. First, I think the reverse of what you said is true. Just like one can be an Asian American social justice warrior and be racist towards blacks (or at least do racist things), one can be a Black American social justice warrior and still do racist things against Asians. As for black and Asian issues, you know those dynamics exist. The point I made is what you’re making. You can do a lot of stuff for social justice, but that don’t mean everything is good or right.

I can tell you that Asian Americans have often been other’ed in America as foreigners who don’t belong. They’re also seen as robots and threatening and immigrants that come to take from others. I don’t know if you believe in that or not, but I hope you can see from recent events that this is true.

As for the rest of the post about any black guy who doesn’t worship Lin is racist, you’re reaching. Never said that. So not gonna address it. There are ways to criticize him without going there.

Second, Lin wasn’t that great. Linsanity was probably the highlight. But from where he came from, he had a great career, and honestly, the impact of his career probably is going to be bigger than his on-court results because of his ethnicity. In New York, that was part of his appeal. New York is also about immigration and Ellis Island and hope, and that’s what Lin represented. That’s why this average PG is loved. Some people couldn’t understand that too. So yea, I’m not disputing your characterization of his talent, only how much he was loved and meant to the NBA fans.

Third, I agree Melo should have never felt threatened by Lin, but apparently he did. There are interviews that prove this, and Amare Stoudemire and Mike D’Antoni have referenced that. ESPN magazine did some excellent features. He certainly had the talent not to be threatened. But this wasn’t about the truth, but Melo’s feelings, and for some reason, he felt threatened. Like I said earlier, I think Melo other’ed Lin. Since that moment, he has never spoken about any other player’s contract, never treated anyone else like he ever did Lin. KP came along and he mentored him. Did a lot of good things, but that don’t erase this thing.

Lastly, like I said, Lin owed nothing to Melo. He was almost cut from the league. Melo didn’t really treat him well. And like you all said, he wasn’t that good anyway. So maybe we can be a bit more understanding about why he might not have been ready to risk everything during those playoffs. I’m only bringing this up because this is how that whole discussion started.

Looks like your boy Lin disagrees with you
Lin said his relationship with Melo during his time with the Knicks was "fine."
"He was always nice to me. He took us out to eat," Lin said. "I've hung out with him a few times and stuff. And so, like I've said for a long time, I've never had issues with him."


Another one

“I didn’t hear anything about it [Friday], nobody texted me about it [Friday], so I don’t think it’s a big deal, to be honest. I don’t really know what he said. Again, five years ago, I’m not really too worried about anything,’’ said Lin, who said Anthony has always been cordial, at least face to face. “When I see him I’ll say what’s up. I said this literally since Day 1: Every time I’ve run into him or had personal interaction with him, he’d been really nice to me and really cordial to me.

“I’ve never had any personal issues with him. We’ve never gotten into a fight or argument or anything, in person or through text or anything. I’ve never had anything remotely hostile with him. So whatever he says, I don’t know. … You guys can ask him. In terms of my personal interaction with him, we’ve never bumped heads or anything.

Lin also defended Melo after he won the chip in Toronto
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Oh and that amare comment you’re referring to? He already said it wasn’t about Melo
Miami Heat forward Amar'e Stoudemire told Miami reporters that he reached out to Carmelo Anthony to clear the air on Tuesday.

Stoudemire told Anthony that he wasn’t taking any veiled shots at him when discussing his time with the New York Knicks on Sunday.

“I've never mentioned his name once. We're close friends, family,” Stoudemire told Miami reporters. “Our kids were born a couple months apart.

There goes your agenda.

I also just peeped your edit in ur reply to me.
This narrative you’re pushing that Melo and his fans are racist against asians is complete bull schit. You have nothing to prove that besides having butthurt feeling that Lin’s career was extremely underwhelming and linsanity was just a fluke. You’re creating a bunch of nonsense to push this garbage take. You saying Melo and his fans are racist is equivalent to trump supporters calling BLM a terrorist group. Stop it.
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Post#1615 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:51 am

I see a few posters tried to inject some Frank into the thread, vis a vis Obi.

Let's be clear. Obi's CEILING is Larry Nance Jr.

Frank had an unusual number of stans when the Knicks had basically no young players to root for.
Obviously there are other factors.

Personally, I liked Frank - up until about a year ago.
There were a TON of posters who crapped on his head in the first season.
Obi is deservedly getting the same treatment.

I made the mistake of hoping Frank would "get better"
Not making the mistake with Obi.
Obi, like Knox, like Frank, isn't it.
It's clear already.
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Post#1616 » by -YogiBiz- » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:18 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:I see a few posters tried to inject some Frank into the thread, vis a vis Obi.

Let's be clear. Obi's CEILING is Larry Nance Jr.

Frank had an unusual number of stans when the Knicks had basically no young players to root for.
Obviously there are other factors.

Personally, I liked Frank - up until about a year ago.
There were a TON of posters who crapped on his head in the first season.
Obi is deservedly getting the same treatment.

I made the mistake of hoping Frank would "get better"
Not making the mistake with Obi.
Obi, like Knox, like Frank, isn't it.
It's clear already.


If Cleveland can turn him into a quality big, so be it. He's not worth not going after a guy like Sexton.
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Post#1617 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:19 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I see a few posters tried to inject some Frank into the thread, vis a vis Obi.

Let's be clear. Obi's CEILING is Larry Nance Jr.

Frank had an unusual number of stans when the Knicks had basically no young players to root for.
Obviously there are other factors.

Personally, I liked Frank - up until about a year ago.
There were a TON of posters who crapped on his head in the first season.
Obi is deservedly getting the same treatment.

I made the mistake of hoping Frank would "get better"
Not making the mistake with Obi.
Obi, like Knox, like Frank, isn't it.
It's clear already.


If Cleveland can turn him into a quality big, so be it. He's not worth not going after a guy like Sexton.


I wouldn't mind keeping Obi if it was possible.

IF Cleveland was willing to take 19,32+ Knox, I'd do that deal instead.

Then Obi is around as
a) A cost controlled backup 4 (not ideal for 8th pick but hey)
b) IF he developed a lot (he won't), then as a possible Randle replacement, where the Knicks go in another direction with Randle's salary slot.

Who knows. Maybe there's a bit of "negotiating through the press" right now, though Obi + 21+ Knox is probably what the deal is.
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Post#1618 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:20 pm

Also, for all the Obi bashing I do, if he stays on the Knicks, I hope I'm completely wrong.
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Post#1619 » by KnixinSix » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:30 pm

-YogiBiz- wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:I see a few posters tried to inject some Frank into the thread, vis a vis Obi.

Let's be clear. Obi's CEILING is Larry Nance Jr.

Frank had an unusual number of stans when the Knicks had basically no young players to root for.
Obviously there are other factors.

Personally, I liked Frank - up until about a year ago.
There were a TON of posters who crapped on his head in the first season.
Obi is deservedly getting the same treatment.

I made the mistake of hoping Frank would "get better"
Not making the mistake with Obi.
Obi, like Knox, like Frank, isn't it.
It's clear already.


If Cleveland can turn him into a quality big, so be it. He's not worth not going after a guy like Sexton.



This is exactly the point. Obi doesn't prevent you from going after Sexton. That's crazy especially with Randle here for the foreseeable future.
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Post#1620 » by seren » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:34 pm

Milwaukee has been starting Lopez/Giannis/Tucker trio for the whole playoffs. They even played that trio plus Portis in the last game. I don’t buy that Obi can’t get minutes because of Randle. As long as he improves his defense, he can get minutes and even start along Randle. It is not like we have a clear SF that locked the position.

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