2021 NBA Draft, Part 2

Big J · Post #421 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:42 pm

I could see Kuminga dropping hard on draft night. Just way to many question marks.

jezzerinho · Post #422 » by **jezzerinho** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:44 pm

reamily wrote:Is cleveland baiting orlando to get 5 and 8 for kuminga..

5&8 is very rich for 2 spots.

I personally would do it, but not in a million years for Kuminga. I'd take Mobley or Suggs and run.

I could see us dangling 5 + 33 + Ross, but i doubt the FO will push in all the lottery chips for #3. I personally would do it.

Colbinii · Post #423 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:46 pm

Coeur wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
God Squad wrote:I don't think Cleveland is sold on Mobley and rumored to really like Kuminga. I think Toronto is pumping up Barnes/Kuminga stock. I have little doubt Toronto is focusing on Suggs/Mobley and doing their diligence with Barnes, Kuminga and the rest. With that said I do think if we stayed at 7 they'd circle Kuminga/Barnes/Sengun.

How perfect would it be if Suggs fell to Golden State at #7. What a perfect fit.

As a Gonzaga fan and huge fan of what Suggs did there and the type of person he seems to be in addition to his game and talents…. Yes that would be perfect for Suggs. Perfect for GS.

What in addition to #7 could GS consider trading for Suggs? 14 too much prob?

Most Toronto fans have turned down #7, Wiseman and #14 for #4

Coeur · Post #424 » by **Coeur** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:54 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Coeur wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
How perfect would it be if Suggs fell to Golden State at #7. What a perfect fit.

As a Gonzaga fan and huge fan of what Suggs did there and the type of person he seems to be in addition to his game and talents…. Yes that would be perfect for Suggs. Perfect for GS.

What in addition to #7 could GS consider trading for Suggs? 14 too much prob?

Most Toronto fans have turned down #7, Wiseman and #14 for #4

Wow. That’s nuts. Gs couldn’t and wouldn’t offer that much anyway. No way they’d give wiseman away in that trade.

I think there’s a problem on this board with logical Wisman value, and for sure a problem with almost all Raptor related values in trades.

Colbinii · Post #425 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:58 pm

Coeur wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Coeur wrote:As a Gonzaga fan and huge fan of what Suggs did there and the type of person he seems to be in addition to his game and talents…. Yes that would be perfect for Suggs. Perfect for GS.

What in addition to #7 could GS consider trading for Suggs? 14 too much prob?

Most Toronto fans have turned down #7, Wiseman and #14 for #4

Wow. That’s nuts. Gs couldn’t and wouldn’t offer that much anyway. No way they’d give wiseman away in that trade.

I think there’s a problem on this board with logical Wisman value, and for sure a problem with almost all Raptor related values in trades.

There isn't an issue with Wiseman value, there is a discrepancy between how GS values him and how the rest of the league does.

I wouldn't trade a top-12 pick this year for Wiseman.

Gert42 · Post #426 » by **Gert42** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:58 pm

The problem with any Wiseman value is it truly is difficult to figure out what it is. If (and its a big if), the Warriors are interested in trading him, I would be a little bit skeptical of what I am giving up as another team. Even if the window is short for this current version of the Warriors lets face it if Wiseman had showed a certain level of play this year he would be untouchable.

Now he may not even be up for debate of a trade, but if he is, then I think teams are going to try to lowball GS in Wiseman offers.

clyde21 · Post #427 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:06 pm

problem with Wiseman is that he's just a terrible fit on this Warriors team schematically, he's probably better than he showed his rook year but at the end of the day you're putting a high usage big in a ball and player motion scheme and it just doesn't work...Myers should have realized this before ever making that pick but here we are.

Ayton success in the PO probably raises Wiseman value a little bit, but yea, there is no getting around the terrible year he had and his value now is obviously low, so really there is no point in trading him right now when something like 7/14/Wiseman isn't good enough to get you the 4th pick apparently (Toronto fans overvaluing their assets per usual but hey).

if Wiseman has a good start to his soph season his value will skyrocket and this can be revisited at the trade deadline.

amcoolio · Post #428 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:38 pm

If Orlando passes on Kuminga at 8 (which they should...just take Barnes and Moody and run), where does he go. He could slide all the way to the Pacers IMO at 13

Frichuela · Post #429 » by **Frichuela** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:41 pm

God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'd guess out of those names
Sengun
Garuba
Jackson
Cooper

Last is a toss up but I'd go Cam Thomas - HR Duarte

I believe Garuba will be in Tokyo on draft night so write him off.

eminence · Post #430 » by **eminence** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:44 pm

amcoolio wrote:If Orlando passes on Kuminga at 8 (which they should...just take Barnes and Moody and run), where does he go. He could slide all the way to the Pacers IMO at 13

I can't see Kuminga going past SAC at 9 in that scenario, and would be more than happy with Kuminga at #7 (who are the Warriors passing on him for?). I don't see any chance he drops to #13.

eminence · Post #431 » by **eminence** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:45 pm

Also, I thought Garuba was great against the US. Would be quite happy with him at #14 for GS if they keep the pick.

clyde21 · Post #432 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:59 pm

eminence wrote:
amcoolio wrote:If Orlando passes on Kuminga at 8 (which they should...just take Barnes and Moody and run), where does he go. He could slide all the way to the Pacers IMO at 13

I can't see Kuminga going past SAC at 9 in that scenario, and would be more than happy with Kuminga at #7 (who are the Warriors passing on him for?). I don't see any chance he drops to #13.

depends, Sac likes JJ as we all Sengun, they might take one of them even if Kuminga drops...not likely but a fall to #13 for Kuminga isn't impossible.

Kuminga range looks like its from 6-13, but most likely closer to 6...i think he's probably out the top 5 at this point. and pretty confident in Barnes to Toronto...

Big J · Post #433 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:02 pm

eminence wrote:
amcoolio wrote:If Orlando passes on Kuminga at 8 (which they should...just take Barnes and Moody and run), where does he go. He could slide all the way to the Pacers IMO at 13

I can't see Kuminga going past SAC at 9 in that scenario, and would be more than happy with Kuminga at #7 (who are the Warriors passing on him for?). I don't see any chance he drops to #13.

Warriors can not draft Kuminga. He's the fools gold guy who looks all world but does nothing well.

Frichuela · Post #434 » by **Frichuela** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:02 pm

eminence wrote:Also, I thought Garuba was great against the US. Would be quite happy with him at #14 for GS if they keep the pick.

Yes. That would be a great pick for GS. Also for him to develop behind Draymond Green.

amcoolio · Post #435 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:33 pm

eminence wrote:
amcoolio wrote:If Orlando passes on Kuminga at 8 (which they should...just take Barnes and Moody and run), where does he go. He could slide all the way to the Pacers IMO at 13

I can't see Kuminga going past SAC at 9 in that scenario, and would be more than happy with Kuminga at #7 (who are the Warriors passing on him for?). I don't see any chance he drops to #13.

Kuminga is everything the Warriors wouldn't want in a prospect, even if they were rebuilding

As for Sacramento, that is such a Kings pick. Kuminga gives me Noah Vonleh vibes. Some team will take him because he is falling and he just doesn't have the BBIQ to make a rotation

Sacramento should be looking at high IQ, versatile wings like Wagner or J. Johnson to play with Fox and Hali

Hal14 · Post #436 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:37 pm

Frichuela wrote:
God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'd guess out of those names
Sengun
Garuba
Jackson
Cooper

Last is a toss up but I'd go Cam Thomas - HR Duarte

I believe Garuba will be in Tokyo on draft night so write him off.

yeah who knows, Garuba might be on the court in the middle of a game in the olympics when his name is called on draft night. It would be pretty crazy if that happens and someone like tells him on the bench once he checks out of the game, lol

Big J · Post #437 » by **Big J** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:17 pm

Kuminga seems like the kind of guy that Orlando & Sacto keep drafting year after year.

clyde21 · Post #438 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:01 pm

wow...makes sense on some level honestly because it was kinda heard fitting him into the 1st round if that's the grade he was lookin for.

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peZt · Post #439 » by **peZt** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:03 pm

clyde21 wrote:wow...makes sense on some level honestly because it was kinda heard fitting him into the 1st round if that's the grade he was lookin for.

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He was the most underrated prospect of the draft. With a strong season and a weaker draft class next year I can see him going top 10 next year

clyde21 · Post #440 » by **clyde21** » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:26 pm

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