Build a Franchise- Season 5 Discussion thread- Announcement on page 79

[Slicin N Dicin]

IMO, i figured you can argue Tatum and Butler can be rated equally if you wanted.

Obviously you guys have discussed stats and all that but to me it also boils down to whether you agree with these statements:


The Heat would not have gotten as far as they did the last 2-3 years if you replaced Butler with Tatum.

The Celtics would have gotten further than they did (or at the very least, do not get worse) in the last 2-3 years if you replaced Tatum with Butler.



I like both players, but I think both of those statements are true. I don't think Miami gets to the finals if you replace Jimmy with Jayson. Honestly if I were Boston (irl) I would trade a package centered around Jaylen Brown for Jimmy if they wanted to win a chip.

But you talking about bubble Butler. Jimmy butler playing in front of a crowd this playoffs wasn't nearly the same player. he shot 29% from the field and averaged 14 points per game. that's why i don't see the argument. you guys are going based off LAST year when I am looking at this year. if we looking at this year playoffs, i don't really see a debate for Butler.

When you isolate to just the playoffs for Butler, then yes...but the SIM isn't going to isolate this playoffs and just this playoffs bro. Jimmy in the bubble and Jimmy during the regular season is not the same as Jimmy in the playoffs and you have to include all those factors. I mean realistically the SIM is going to probably take into account the last 2-3 years and Jimmy led a team to the Finals that had no business of being there. You can isolate Jimmy playoffs this year as much as you want and everyone will agree with you, but you also have to factor in the last year or so at least to predict how a player will be, not just take the latest extreme sample and take only this past playoffs you know what I mean?

Everyone probably agrees they should be even, but to build a case centered around Tatum being significantly better than Butler int the last 2-3 years to predict next year's production ain't it to me.

[NewEra]

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[3toheadmelo]

Yet the Celtics couldn't even beat the lowly Cavs when their season was on the line to avoid that Nets team. Very low standards for a top 10 player playing alongside another all star and all defensive team regular. Very bad.

tatum dropped 50 in the play ingame against curry to make it to the playoffs.

meanwhile pandemic p... was already in the playoffs with home court like a boss

Ah it was against the wizards. Had the warriors game mixed up where he dropped 44 on them.

Pandemic p getting carried by Kawhi to make it to the playoffs.. horrible player

Fun fact: Tatum became the third youngest player to drop 50 in a playoff game. Pandemic p’s career high is only 42. very sad. lol

[3toheadmelo]

there should be an objective whining rank. melo moving up to the top on that one

you should be at the top of the kissing up to the higher authorities rank then.

The things i had to do to work my way up to be a mod.... but maybe if you were less of a complainer Tatum would move up a few spots.

well Tatum is already a 5 star player in the sim so I guess my “whining” worked

[2010]

Welcome HerSports85! I am new also and this league is crazy active. Right now there is a trade freeze but it will be lifted on the 24th. My team is the Pacers. I have picks 13 and 17. If you see a potential trade hit me up and we can start negotiating now before draft night. Good luck this season.

This guy's gotta have a career in sales

[3toheadmelo]

IMO, i figured you can argue Tatum and Butler can be rated equally if you wanted.

Obviously you guys have discussed stats and all that but to me it also boils down to whether you agree with these statements:


The Heat would not have gotten as far as they did the last 2-3 years if you replaced Butler with Tatum.

The Celtics would have gotten further than they did (or at the very least, do not get worse) in the last 2-3 years if you replaced Tatum with Butler.



I like both players, but I think both of those statements are true. I don't think Miami gets to the finals if you replace Jimmy with Jayson. Honestly if I were Boston (irl) I would trade a package centered around Jaylen Brown for Jimmy if they wanted to win a chip.

But you talking about bubble Butler. Jimmy butler playing in front of a crowd this playoffs wasn't nearly the same player. he shot 29% from the field and averaged 14 points per game. that's why i don't see the argument. you guys are going based off LAST year when I am looking at this year. if we looking at this year playoffs, i don't really see a debate for Butler.

When you isolate to just the playoffs for Butler, then yes...but the SIM isn't going to isolate this playoffs and just this playoffs bro. Jimmy in the bubble and Jimmy during the regular season is not the same as Jimmy in the playoffs and you have to include all those factors. I mean realistically the SIM is going to probably take into account the last 2-3 years and Jimmy led a team to the Finals that had no business of being there. You can isolate Jimmy playoffs this year as much as you want and everyone will agree with you, but you also have to factor in the last year or so at least to predict how a player will be, not just take the latest extreme sample and take only this past playoffs you know what I mean?

Everyone probably agrees they should be even, but to build a case centered around Tatum being significantly better than Butler int the last 2-3 years to predict next year's production ain't it to me.

No I’m not talking about the SIM bro. I am talking about the star player ranking for free agency that bish created using from a website that nobody knows about. Tatum already got his respect in the SIM as a 5 star player and a higher rating than Butler.

I don’t even care for the star player ranking like that, was just curious on how it was objective. and well I got my answer, it’s not. So whatever it is what it is.

[Capn'O]

Defending PG is less exhausting than defending Kyrie. Anyway, I can't do this for any longer. Ta ta.

[2010]

So you're admitting that your list is subjective then and not objective. That's all i needed to hear. Also what site are you using?

Oh for **** sake, it’s objective in that I had nothing to do with it. No input from me was given for the list. I figured most people understood that after three off seasons but maybe not?

Obviously any list or ranking will be subjective in that someone had to **** rank them unless you use a strictly stat based ranking. Please give me a top 50 list that wasn’t made by a person and that all 30 people will agree to as totally objective and I’ll use it.

As to the site I use, that will remain hidden. I will not let it influence people as to how they build their teams. In three offseasons this hasn’t been an issue. And now in year four one team seems to have a problem even while other GMs are saying it’s pretty accurate. I get you aren’t happy with it but it is what it is. Find me that completely objective list that has no human input to it and I’ll use it moving forward if everyone else agrees.

Well you already admitted that it was a subjective list. So there's nothing objective about it at all. You having any input on it doesn't really change anything. Also I wasn't the only other GM who said this was flawed. But ok. Lol

I don't see why you can't release the site? How is it going to influence people how to build their teams? You are saying that it is not really different than those other sites you listed so there's nothing to hide. I am a bit confused on how your site that has a similar ranking of players of multiple sites is going to influence GM's on how they build their teams but hoffa putting out spread sheets on every team and player is not going to influence anyone. I see a contradiction here.

Spoiler:

[mpharris36]

Welcome HerSports85! I am new also and this league is crazy active. Right now there is a trade freeze but it will be lifted on the 24th. My team is the Pacers. I have picks 13 and 17. If you see a potential trade hit me up and we can start negotiating now before draft night. Good luck this season.

This guy's gotta have a career in sales

[2010]

how about we agree that we let me decide the 'star' players, i assure you i will be completely subjective

At this point, wouldn't be too far-fetched.

[2010]

there should be an objective whining rank. melo moving up to the top on that one

What about me? I suppose according to most of you my whine factor must be pretty high!

[mpharris36]

I gotta give it up to Melo he will argue for tatum to the death even when the FA ratings only effect signing FA's and he has $1 to spend and zero open roster spots

[DOT]

there should be an objective whining rank. melo moving up to the top on that one

What about me? I suppose according to most of you my whine factor must be pretty high!

Wine factor about this high:

Spoiler:

[2010]

Defending PG is less exhausting than defending Kyrie. Anyway, I can't do this for any longer. Ta ta.

Kyrie is trash. If I were his GM I'd make him available and not ask for much in return. Just sayin...

[Capn'O]

Defending PG is less exhausting than defending Kyrie. Anyway, I can't do this for any longer. Ta ta.

Kyrie is trash. If I were his GM I'd make him available and not ask for much in return. Just sayin...

Is DaGawd holding out on you

[2010]

Defending PG is less exhausting than defending Kyrie. Anyway, I can't do this for any longer. Ta ta.

Kyrie is trash. If I were his GM I'd make him available and not ask for much in return. Just sayin...

Is DaGawd holding out on you

Spoiler:

[Capn'O]

Kyrie is trash. If I were his GM I'd make him available and not ask for much in return. Just sayin...

Is DaGawd holding out on you

Spoiler:

The Whiteside/Drummond Twin Towers of Doom

2022 1st- From Washington- (Washington gets its pick back)

[Manhattan Project]

I gotta give it up to Melo he will argue for tatum to the death even when the FA ratings only effect signing FA's and he has $1 to spend and zero open roster spots

Probably the most underrated part of all it
Just won a chip, incoming sim boosts, was able to steal Tate last year even going past three exempt players and still battling for Tatum. Hey, at least he's passionate.

[Deeeez Knicks]

there should be an objective whining rank. melo moving up to the top on that one

What about me? I suppose according to most of you my whine factor must be pretty high!

It might be up there. We all probably complain at times

melo went full Karen with Tatums ranking though. Think he just wanted the site so he could argue with them

[3toheadmelo]

I mean I’m a championship team and my FA ranking is a bit low. Of course I’m going to question it. Sue me

You would do the same if you were in my position. And I got my answer. The ranking is opinionated and flawed. So whatever. I’ll go back to my championship parade while y’all bid against each other to death