Vecenie: Suggs is the #2 prospect in this draft

[alienchild]

I really need to see how this Sengun pans out. So many hardcore believers and I don't see it.

Enes Kanter 2.0

[omar36]

Where do you guys think Anthony Edwards would go In this years draft class?

Personally, I'd have him at #5 behind the big 4 and ahead of Barnes and Kuminga.

Back to Suggs - he's definitely at the level of Green/Mobley IMO which is why being at #4 is probably the best spot in the draft aside from landing the #1 pick. We don't even have to make the decision of who we like best out of the Green/Mobley/Suggs tier, we just take whoever falls. And, best of all, we get them at a #4 salary slot vs. a #2 or #3.

I think Cade has the highest probability of being the best player out of this draft class, but behind him, I think that Green/Mobley/Suggs all have an equal probability of being the best player out of this class.

agreed. it makes our teams job easy. pick whose left. all 3 are great prospects. now the question should be focused on where lowry is at. if he wants to run it back, doubt we make moves but if he says hes out, im looking at moving parts of the core bc this team just lost their best player and we need a retool

[CANsportsguru]

There's no way we select Barnes at #4. He has no jump shot whatsoever. We already have Pascal and OG at the forwards position. You select the best player available and there's 5 players that are clearly better.

[SHFT]

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[HiJiNX]

If y’all are this high on Suggs and we draft him…well I hope this fanbase treats him better than they do Siakam when it becomes clear that the fan expectations are beyond the player’s skill level.

Gilbert Arenas was absolutely right about Suggs. He’s a really good piece, a high level piece, but not a takeover the game kind of guy which is exactly the guy we are missing.

[bballsparkin]

^^Oh don't worry. No high expectations. He only needs to replace Kyle Lowry. And he better!

[bballsparkin]

It's a stacked draft, but I have Mobley #1, Sengun, #2, Suggs 3, Cade 4, Barnes #5

Crack no good.

Thanks for judging before they've even played a game. I'm sure if someone put Giannis #1 in 2013 they would have been ridiculed.

I'm rooting for Segun just to prove OAKLEY's "crystal ball" and "relentless dogging" wrong.

[OAKLEY_2]

Crack no good.

Thanks for judging before they've even played a game. I'm sure if someone put Giannis #1 in 2013 they would have been ridiculed.

I'm rooting for Segun just to prove OAKLEY's "crystal ball" and "relentless dogging" wrong.

Sorry we are striking distance of Mobley and people want to still Sengun troll even after we moved to 4. If that's a crystal ball...

[OAKLEY_2]

If y’all are this high on Suggs and we draft him…well I hope this fanbase treats him better than they do Siakam when it becomes clear that the fan expectations are beyond the player’s skill level.

Gilbert Arenas was absolutely right about Suggs. He’s a really good piece, a high level piece, but not a takeover the game kind of guy which is exactly the guy we are missing.

How though is Arenas credible? I mean the opinion might actually be correct but never would I gravitate to his views on such things. Annoying Skip and Shannon have gone off with a similar take. That makes me skeptical especially Shannon who just spews oft held views on star qualities. It is their job to project with certainty possible outcomes as probable but it is all network TV on an endless predictable cycle.

[Raps in 4]

I really need to see how this Sengun pans out. So many hardcore believers and I don't see it.

I'll bet money he never starts in the NBA, at least not for a winning team. He's just too undersized and slow-footed to succeed as a big at the NBA level.

Size is important for a bigman. You can be slow and unathletic (think Jokic and Marc Gasol), but you can't also be undersized. Sengun is basically a smaller version of those guys and I don't see that working out in the NBA.

[Ackshun]

I really worry about the fit with Suggs and FVV. Probably fine with the reg season but tougher in the playoffs (unless you have Kawhi).

Both guys are looking for their shot first, and It isn't working for Dame/CJ.

[Raps in 4]

I really worry about the fit with Suggs and FVV. Probably fine with the reg season but tougher in the playoffs (unless you have Kawhi).

Both guys are looking for their shot first, and It isn't working for Dame/CJ.

It worked with FVV and Lowry.

And if it doesn't work, you trade one of them. Always draft the BPA and figure out fit issues later.

[Badonkadonk]

Another analyst who views Suggs as slightly better than the "consensus 4" that most mocks have him ranked:

https://theboxand1.weebly.com/draft-profiles1/final-2021-nba-big-board-tiers

The bulk of the justification:

As a prospect, Jalen Suggs is clearly a top-six talent in this class. He's a really good athlete, has fantastic vision, projects well as a scorer and is a great quick-twitch defender who can hound guys on-ball or make impactful plays off it. Go back and watch the WCC Championship game against BYU and the Final Four game with UCLA and you see a player who propels his teams to wins whenever they need him. That takeover gene, the recognition and capability, elevate Suggs into a higher category in my book than some of the other great prospects in this class.

The Box and 1 is a pretty solid site in general for actual analysis (videos under Xs and Os are great), but I like Spinella in general.

[Ackshun]

I really worry about the fit with Suggs and FVV. Probably fine with the reg season but tougher in the playoffs (unless you have Kawhi).

Both guys are looking for their shot first, and It isn't working for Dame/CJ.

It worked with FVV and Lowry.

And if it doesn't work, you trade one of them. Always draft the BPA and figure out fit issues later.

Yeah the pick isn't the issue for me. It's having an undersized shooting guard in the back court in FVV that causes challenges for me.

The lack of size doesn't have much impact in the reg season where the raps can get out and run. From what I've seen, once the game slows down, it becomes a bit easier to defend and predict.

Looking forward to Thursday.

[OakleyDokely]

I really worry about the fit with Suggs and FVV. Probably fine with the reg season but tougher in the playoffs (unless you have Kawhi).

Both guys are looking for their shot first, and It isn't working for Dame/CJ.

It worked with FVV and Lowry.

And if it doesn't work, you trade one of them. Always draft the BPA and figure out fit issues later.

Yeah the pick isn't the issue for me. It's having an undersized shooting guard in the back court in FVV that causes challenges for me.

The lack of size doesn't have much impact in the reg season where the raps can get out and run. From what I've seen, once the game slows down, it becomes a bit easier to defend and predict.

Looking forward to Thursday.

VV is a plus defender though. If he was undersized and a poor defender, then there would be a bigissue.

The Raps won a title with a Lowry/VV backcourt playing closing minutes.

[TD2FutureStar]

I really need to see how this Sengun pans out. So many hardcore believers and I don't see it.

His Euro league stats are Luka like. It's hard to.envision none of.that translating to.the.NBA when he was an 18 yr old dominate professional men.

[Ackshun]

It worked with FVV and Lowry.

And if it doesn't work, you trade one of them. Always draft the BPA and figure out fit issues later.

Yeah the pick isn't the issue for me. It's having an undersized shooting guard in the back court in FVV that causes challenges for me.

The lack of size doesn't have much impact in the reg season where the raps can get out and run. From what I've seen, once the game slows down, it becomes a bit easier to defend and predict.

Looking forward to Thursday.

VV is a plus defender though. If he was undersized and a poor defender, then there would be a bigissue.

The Raps won a title with a Lowry/VV backcourt playing closing minutes.

Yeah I hear all that but as mentioned, having a Kawhi type player allows you to win in unconventional ways. He played very well as a bench player to finish off the Bucks and very well against Curry and the Warriors. But he also scored in double digits ONCE throughout the first 15 playoff games that year.

Being undersized is not just a defensive issue for me. It causes us tons of issues scoring against longer, more athletic teams in the past.

Anyhow this isn't a FVV bashing thread. I respect his contributions but I'm doubtful we can succeed to two trigger happy, undersized guards. Are we forgetting the Gasol/Ibaka/Pascal lineups?

And Suggs isn't Lowry. If he's there at 4 and the usual suspects are gone, then obviously you gotta do it. But I think you need to take a good look at roster construct

[TD2FutureStar]

Another analyst who views Suggs as slightly better than the "consensus 4" that most mocks have him ranked:

https://theboxand1.weebly.com/draft-profiles1/final-2021-nba-big-board-tiers

The bulk of the justification:

As a prospect, Jalen Suggs is clearly a top-six talent in this class. He's a really good athlete, has fantastic vision, projects well as a scorer and is a great quick-twitch defender who can hound guys on-ball or make impactful plays off it. Go back and watch the WCC Championship game against BYU and the Final Four game with UCLA and you see a player who propels his teams to wins whenever they need him. That takeover gene, the recognition and capability, elevate Suggs into a higher category in my book than some of the other great prospects in this class.

The Box and 1 is a pretty solid site in general for actual analysis (videos under Xs and Os are great), but I like Spinella in general.

He has some dog in him. Combine that with his talent and you've got a recipe for a stud.

[alienchild]

Yeah the pick isn't the issue for me. It's having an undersized shooting guard in the back court in FVV that causes challenges for me.

The lack of size doesn't have much impact in the reg season where the raps can get out and run. From what I've seen, once the game slows down, it becomes a bit easier to defend and predict.

Looking forward to Thursday.

VV is a plus defender though. If he was undersized and a poor defender, then there would be a bigissue.

The Raps won a title with a Lowry/VV backcourt playing closing minutes.

Yeah I hear all that but as mentioned, having a Kawhi type player allows you to win in unconventional ways. He played very well as a bench player to finish off the Bucks and very well against Curry and the Warriors. But he also scored in double digits ONCE throughout the first 15 playoff games that year.

Being undersized is not just a defensive issue for me. It causes us tons of issues scoring against longer, more athletic teams in the past.

Anyhow this isn't a FVV bashing thread. I respect his contributions but I'm doubtful we can succeed to two trigger happy, undersized guards. Are we forgetting the Gasol/Ibaka/Pascal lineups?

And Suggs isn't Lowry. If he's there at 4 and the usual suspects are gone, then obviously you gotta do it. But I think you need to take a good look at roster construct

OK, stop with the Suggs is trigger happy BS. It's nowhere close to true.

[aminiaturebuddha]

If y’all are this high on Suggs and we draft him…well I hope this fanbase treats him better than they do Siakam when it becomes clear that the fan expectations are beyond the player’s skill level.

Gilbert Arenas was absolutely right about Suggs. He’s a really good piece, a high level piece, but not a takeover the game kind of guy which is exactly the guy we are missing.

You maybe right that Suggs isn't a "takeover the game" kind of guy. And I really hope people are patient with him if we end up drafting him (although we know that isn't going to happen). But I think it's fair to ask who are those types of players in this year's draft? I see two - Cade (he did it a lot at the end of games in college) and Green.

Maybe there's a chance that someone else in the draft miraculously develops into that, but odds are no one else will. Since we're unlikely to be in a position to draft Cade or Green, I think the best we can do is pick an excellent player that won't solve all our problems, but will lift the overall level of the team and add another quality asset to put us in position for potential trades down the road. At this point it seems the two guys best able to fit that profile would be Suggs or Mobley. I'll be very happy with either.