2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[Ghost of Kleine]

Are people really thinking we will find a trade partner for Saric?

I know! Seems crazy huh? lol
But actually there have been a few interested teams it seems.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2106101

6 » by the_process » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.

Post#17 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Saric + future 1st for Olynyk (S&T) with Houston? Houston eat some salary for a pick, phoneix get a productive 4/5

by meekrab » Yesterday 1:35 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
meekrab wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Of course!
I'd do it for :
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/AdYdBnFdLpWKCP/suns-bulls-contract-swap

Saric/ 29th for Aminu ( Monty connection) 38th pick.

This would give Phoenix cap relief, And a player that Monty has coached before and still has versatility and can contribute. And for the Bulls, They swap contracts, Saric once recovered can give the Bulls insurance against Markannen leaving to a very small degree, And the Bulls now have two first to address their needs at two positions. Would this be amenable for you guys?


Well if you talk to Orlando and convince them to give us our lottery pick back I'd love that. But yeah without being a mind reader and knowing what the Bulls FO is thinking of doing at 38, getting a first rounder and a pretty solid stretch 4 off the bench for Aminu who I personally consider dead salary cap would make me extremely happy.


Apologies! My bad man.
I completely forgot about the outgoing pick this year in the Vucevic trade
Still, Would you be amenable to that trade if it meant moving up from 38 to 29? Not a huge leap I know, but not terrible either, Being able to move up into the first round for a slightly higher level prospect perhaps?

Personally sure I'd do it. Saric is a better player than Aminu when they're both healthy and the Bulls have historically drafted well so even a 29th pick is valuable. Free agency dreams are overblown when we haven't even made the playoffs in years.

Post#34 » by the_process » Yesterday 3:33 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
the_process wrote:
Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.


One of my favorite deals discussed earlier on prior to Sarics' injury. I think that Saric was comfortable in Philly and could experience a resurgence. Of course given the current situation, a modicum of incentive would/ should be added ( Could the disabled player insurance transfer in the trade)?? If so, That should theoretically soften the salary impact for him not playing. Maybe also swapping the 29th pick for Philly's 50th pick.

So Saric and the 29th for Hill ( expiring) and the 50th pick? I know that isn't a lot of incentive, However, IF the disabled player exception is transferrable via trade, Then that would drop the salary hit to only around 4 million or so. And Philly ( IF they'd want to) could move up with a 2nd late first. How would that sound?


Sounds reasonable to me.

So not a ton of really overwhelming offers of course given his injury. However, The interest is still there it seems. James Jones would have to work some magic or be willing to take back a comparably bad expiring for equitable salary purposes until he recovers next season. But the last yr comparable deals are out there. And there is a modicum of interest it seems. I'm going to keep suggesting the Saric and Crowder for Bledsoe deal because of his partial guarantee next season. That 14 million in savings could really go a long way for us next summer heading into our core extensions.

[AtheJ415]

Suns dont really need Siakam.

What Suns need is Jae Crowder growing 3 inches to be 6'9 so he would be able to guard the low post and win rebounds against huge front courts when Ayton is outside the paint.

Siakam's a GREAT player. If he's available we'd be stupid to not consider it. He's a top 30 player in the league at a position of need.

[Keith_myath]

Some of the names being thrown around in here outside of Siakam are forgetting the one test you need to apply when they're not A+ baller.

Are they someone who will "C U Next Tuesday"? If they are; forget them.

[BobbieL]

Suns dont really need Siakam.

What Suns need is Jae Crowder growing 3 inches to be 6'9 so he would be able to guard the low post and win rebounds against huge front courts when Ayton is outside the paint.

Siakam's a GREAT player. If he's available we'd be stupid to not consider it. He's a top 30 player in the league at a position of need.

If, and I think its a very big IF - Chris Paul were to want to play for the Lakers and you can do a three way sign and trade with the Raptors, Suns and Lakers to get Siakam - would that keep the money situation better for the Suns. I mean what PG could you get in that realm or would you need Siakam here with Paul.

Lakers get Paul for say THT, KCP and Kuzma
Suns shift THT, Cam or Bridges, draft picks plus the pupu platter from the Lakers to the RAptors
Suns than get Siakam

[Barkley6]

I think when throwing names of FAs or trade scenarios around, we need to also look at what ROLES we need to fill and that will save us a lot of debate and discussion about guys that don't really fit our the roles we need to fill.

For me, the roles the Suns need to fill are:
1. A backup C that can rebound and protect the interior
2. A scorer off the bench that can give you 13+ nightly
3. A 4th guard, with good size; either as an understudy to CP3 and/or to take over the Carter/Gallo/Moore minutes.

In order to fill those roles we have the following assets:
1. MLE
2. BAE
3. DPE
4. Pick 29
5. Minimum deals

Pick 29 hopefully is a guard, but I don't know if a rookie in year 1 will necessarily fill Role #3, hard to say without seeing summer league etc.

So for me, based on that scenario, my FA starts with calls to Richuan Holmes, Derozan, Fournier, and Reggie Jackson* to see if any of them have interest in playing for the MLE on a contender as they each fill 2 of the three above roles. If they don't bite, then I move on to my next set of targets. For Role 1 that list looks like: Nerlens Noel, Dwight Howard, Javale McGee. The DPE should get a deal done with any of them. For role 2, things get a little more complicated after the first tier, you're looking at guys like Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony. Those would all be guys who would either be on minimum deals, or take only part of the MLE. For need #3, Reggie Bullock is a good name, you could take a flier on a guy like Frank Ntilikina who is still only 23, or an NBA journeyman type like Austin Rivers, Raul Neto or Shaq Harrison. You could try to use a large portion of the MLE to go after Malik Monk as he would fill this need, and possibly Need #2 as he develops, he is still very young at 23 and so fits in with our core well. Charlotte has to re-sign Graham, and extend Miles Bridges this offseason, so Monk could end up being the odd man out.

*Worth noting on Jackson that the Clips only have his early bird rights, so they can go over the cap up to $10m to pay him.

So that's the Suns offseason in a nutshell for me, you're either using the full MLE on a major needle mover like Holmes, Derozan, etc. or you're making smaller moves and adding say Noel, Griffin and Bullock. Either scenario makes us a better team top to bottom, I believe.

This is why I think think that the Suns have a good chance to get better this offseason and continue to contend, there are numerous routes to improving our roster, whereas teams like the Lakers really only have one: Convince a very good player to take a lot less than market value.

[Barkley6]

Suns dont really need Siakam.

What Suns need is Jae Crowder growing 3 inches to be 6'9 so he would be able to guard the low post and win rebounds against huge front courts when Ayton is outside the paint.

Siakam's a GREAT player. If he's available we'd be stupid to not consider it. He's a top 30 player in the league at a position of need.

If, and I think its a very big IF - Chris Paul were to want to play for the Lakers and you can do a three way sign and trade with the Raptors, Suns and Lakers to get Siakam - would that keep the money situation better for the Suns. I mean what PG could you get in that realm or would you need Siakam here with Paul.

Lakers get Paul for say THT, KCP and Kuzma
Suns shift THT, Cam or Bridges, draft picks plus the pupu platter from the Lakers to the RAptors
Suns than get Siakam

I explained this before, because of the S&T rules, If LA did that, they would be hard capped with like, 6 players under contract.

[Barkley6]

Some of the names being thrown around in here outside of Siakam are forgetting the one test you need to apply when they're not A+ baller.

Are they someone who will "C U Next Tuesday"? If they are; forget them.

That's why my brain just skips over the words "Hassan Whiteside" in conjunction with the Suns.

[Barkley6]

Are people really thinking we will find a trade partner for Saric?

I know! Seems crazy huh? lol
But actually there have been a few interested teams it seems.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2106101

6 » by the_process » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.

Post#17 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Saric + future 1st for Olynyk (S&T) with Houston? Houston eat some salary for a pick, phoneix get a productive 4/5

by meekrab » Yesterday 1:35 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
meekrab wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Of course!
I'd do it for :
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/AdYdBnFdLpWKCP/suns-bulls-contract-swap

Saric/ 29th for Aminu ( Monty connection) 38th pick.

This would give Phoenix cap relief, And a player that Monty has coached before and still has versatility and can contribute. And for the Bulls, They swap contracts, Saric once recovered can give the Bulls insurance against Markannen leaving to a very small degree, And the Bulls now have two first to address their needs at two positions. Would this be amenable for you guys?


Well if you talk to Orlando and convince them to give us our lottery pick back I'd love that. But yeah without being a mind reader and knowing what the Bulls FO is thinking of doing at 38, getting a first rounder and a pretty solid stretch 4 off the bench for Aminu who I personally consider dead salary cap would make me extremely happy.


Apologies! My bad man.
I completely forgot about the outgoing pick this year in the Vucevic trade
Still, Would you be amenable to that trade if it meant moving up from 38 to 29? Not a huge leap I know, but not terrible either, Being able to move up into the first round for a slightly higher level prospect perhaps?

Personally sure I'd do it. Saric is a better player than Aminu when they're both healthy and the Bulls have historically drafted well so even a 29th pick is valuable. Free agency dreams are overblown when we haven't even made the playoffs in years.

Post#34 » by the_process » Yesterday 3:33 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
the_process wrote:
Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.


One of my favorite deals discussed earlier on prior to Sarics' injury. I think that Saric was comfortable in Philly and could experience a resurgence. Of course given the current situation, a modicum of incentive would/ should be added ( Could the disabled player insurance transfer in the trade)?? If so, That should theoretically soften the salary impact for him not playing. Maybe also swapping the 29th pick for Philly's 50th pick.

So Saric and the 29th for Hill ( expiring) and the 50th pick? I know that isn't a lot of incentive, However, IF the disabled player exception is transferrable via trade, Then that would drop the salary hit to only around 4 million or so. And Philly ( IF they'd want to) could move up with a 2nd late first. How would that sound?


Sounds reasonable to me.

So not a ton of really overwhelming offers of course given his injury. However, The interest is still there it seems. James Jones would have to work some magic or be willing to take back a comparably bad expiring for equitable salary purposes until he recovers next season. But the last yr comparable deals are out there. And there is a modicum of interest it seems. I'm going to keep suggesting the Saric and Crowder for Bledsoe deal because of his partial guarantee next season. That 14 million in savings could really go a long way for us next summer heading into our core extensions.

So, if we got rid of Crowder and Saric, we basically have 0 true PFs on the roster outside of Stix. It would create a massive hole. Sure CamJo can play the 4, but it kind of robs us of a lot of depth to add a superfluous guard. Yeah, it makes financial sense but to me it doesn't make a lot of basketball sense.

[RunDogGun]

Seriously though, outside of dreams, Saric is going nowhere.

[BobbieL]

Siakam's a GREAT player. If he's available we'd be stupid to not consider it. He's a top 30 player in the league at a position of need.

If, and I think its a very big IF - Chris Paul were to want to play for the Lakers and you can do a three way sign and trade with the Raptors, Suns and Lakers to get Siakam - would that keep the money situation better for the Suns. I mean what PG could you get in that realm or would you need Siakam here with Paul.

Lakers get Paul for say THT, KCP and Kuzma
Suns shift THT, Cam or Bridges, draft picks plus the pupu platter from the Lakers to the RAptors
Suns than get Siakam

I explained this before, because of the S&T rules, If LA did that, they would be hard capped with like, 6 players under contract.

oh yeah, I think you wrote that - my mistake - thanks

and personally, I still think I want Paul on a reasonable deal with Cam and Bridges, plus the ability to use the MLE< BAE, maybe the Saric injury and veterans minimums to fortify the roster.


the post above is pretty strong in identifying players to target like Holmes, Fournier, etc plus than next level big man like Noel, McGee and Howard. and I agree, if the Suns get the Saric money - one of thsoe guys for up to 4.5m would be ideal

[BobbieL]

I think when throwing names of FAs or trade scenarios around, we need to also look at what ROLES we need to fill and that will save us a lot of debate and discussion about guys that don't really fit our the roles we need to fill.

For me, the roles the Suns need to fill are:
1. A backup C that can rebound and protect the interior
2. A scorer off the bench that can give you 13+ nightly
3. A 4th guard, with good size; either as an understudy to CP3 and/or to take over the Carter/Gallo/Moore minutes.

In order to fill those roles we have the following assets:
1. MLE
2. BAE
3. DPE
4. Pick 29
5. Minimum deals

Pick 29 hopefully is a guard, but I don't know if a rookie in year 1 will necessarily fill Role #3, hard to say without seeing summer league etc.

So for me, based on that scenario, my FA starts with calls to Richuan Holmes, Derozan, Fournier, and Reggie Jackson* to see if any of them have interest in playing for the MLE on a contender as they each fill 2 of the three above roles. If they don't bite, then I move on to my next set of targets. For Role 1 that list looks like: Nerlens Noel, Dwight Howard, Javale McGee. The DPE should get a deal done with any of them. For role 2, things get a little more complicated after the first tier, you're looking at guys like Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony. Those would all be guys who would either be on minimum deals, or take only part of the MLE. For need #3, Reggie Bullock is a good name, you could take a flier on a guy like Frank Ntilikina who is still only 23, or an NBA journeyman type like Austin Rivers, Raul Neto or Shaq Harrison.

*Worth noting on Jackson that the Clips only have his early bird rights, so they can go over the cap up to $10m to pay him.

So that's the Suns offseason in a nutshell for me, you're either using the full MLE on a major needle mover like Holmes, Derozan, etc. or you're making smaller moves and adding say Noel, Griffin and Bullock. Either scenario makes us a better team top to bottom, I believe.

This is why I think think that the Suns have a good chance to get better this offseason and continue to contend, there are numerous routes to improving our roster, whereas teams like the Lakers really only have one: Convince a very good player to take a lot less than market value.

good post

So I take it you are signing Cam Payne with the Suns Early Bird Rights or through that mechanism

and I agree that the Suns have a chance to get better this offseason with how you identified avenues to add to the roster. If Paul is back - the Suns will improve. Players understand the Suns are a team on the rise.

[Barkley6]

If, and I think its a very big IF - Chris Paul were to want to play for the Lakers and you can do a three way sign and trade with the Raptors, Suns and Lakers to get Siakam - would that keep the money situation better for the Suns. I mean what PG could you get in that realm or would you need Siakam here with Paul.

Lakers get Paul for say THT, KCP and Kuzma
Suns shift THT, Cam or Bridges, draft picks plus the pupu platter from the Lakers to the RAptors
Suns than get Siakam

I explained this before, because of the S&T rules, If LA did that, they would be hard capped with like, 6 players under contract.

oh yeah, I think you wrote that - my mistake - thanks

and personally, I still think I want Paul on a reasonable deal with Cam and Bridges, plus the ability to use the MLE< BAE, maybe the Saric injury and veterans minimums to fortify the roster.


the post above is pretty strong in identifying players to target like Holmes, Fournier, etc plus than next level big man like Noel, McGee and Howard. and I agree, if the Suns get the Saric money - one of thsoe guys for up to 4.5m would be ideal

Thanks. I recently edited the post to add in a bit about Malik Monk. He's likely the odd man out in Charlotte with Miles Bridges needing an extension and Graham entering RFA. I wonder if an offer of around $7-9m/per for him to be our 6th man type scorer off the bench would be enough to pry him away from Charlotte. He's only 23 so he's definitely got room to grow with our core and fits our timeline. If we don't get a guy like Holmes or Fournier (who is the guy I REALLY want this offseason, but dunno if he'd settle for the MLE), I think Monk makes a lot of sense.

If our bench unit was:
Payne
Monk
CamJo
Craig
Noel

I'd be really happy with the balance of scoring/defense that group brings.

[Barkley6]

I think when throwing names of FAs or trade scenarios around, we need to also look at what ROLES we need to fill and that will save us a lot of debate and discussion about guys that don't really fit our the roles we need to fill.

For me, the roles the Suns need to fill are:
1. A backup C that can rebound and protect the interior
2. A scorer off the bench that can give you 13+ nightly
3. A 4th guard, with good size; either as an understudy to CP3 and/or to take over the Carter/Gallo/Moore minutes.

In order to fill those roles we have the following assets:
1. MLE
2. BAE
3. DPE
4. Pick 29
5. Minimum deals

Pick 29 hopefully is a guard, but I don't know if a rookie in year 1 will necessarily fill Role #3, hard to say without seeing summer league etc.

So for me, based on that scenario, my FA starts with calls to Richuan Holmes, Derozan, Fournier, and Reggie Jackson* to see if any of them have interest in playing for the MLE on a contender as they each fill 2 of the three above roles. If they don't bite, then I move on to my next set of targets. For Role 1 that list looks like: Nerlens Noel, Dwight Howard, Javale McGee. The DPE should get a deal done with any of them. For role 2, things get a little more complicated after the first tier, you're looking at guys like Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony. Those would all be guys who would either be on minimum deals, or take only part of the MLE. For need #3, Reggie Bullock is a good name, you could take a flier on a guy like Frank Ntilikina who is still only 23, or an NBA journeyman type like Austin Rivers, Raul Neto or Shaq Harrison.

*Worth noting on Jackson that the Clips only have his early bird rights, so they can go over the cap up to $10m to pay him.

So that's the Suns offseason in a nutshell for me, you're either using the full MLE on a major needle mover like Holmes, Derozan, etc. or you're making smaller moves and adding say Noel, Griffin and Bullock. Either scenario makes us a better team top to bottom, I believe.

This is why I think think that the Suns have a good chance to get better this offseason and continue to contend, there are numerous routes to improving our roster, whereas teams like the Lakers really only have one: Convince a very good player to take a lot less than market value.

good post

So I take it you are signing Cam Payne with the Suns Early Bird Rights or through that mechanism

and I agree that the Suns have a chance to get better this offseason with how you identified avenues to add to the roster. If Paul is back - the Suns will improve. Players understand the Suns are a team on the rise.

Yes, I would use the Early Bird Rights to bring back Cam Payne somewhere in the $8-9m/season range. I think I saw Monte Morris' 3/$27m deal floated somewhere as a good starting point for Payne, which works for me.

I'd also use the BAE on Craig. I love his versatility, energy, and rebounding. I think he deserved a lot more run in the Finals with the way we got killed on the glass. So that leaves us with the DPE, which I'm pretty set on using on a big man. All or part of the MLE, and minimum deals. We're in a bit of a numbers crunch with the Saric injury because the DPE doesn't grant an additional roster spot, so I could see a deal where we move pick 29, or try to package it with someone to open up more room to sign/re-sign players.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Watch on YouTube

Another solid consideration for an MLE split perhaps along with Pail Milsapp, James Johnson, Jeff Green, Maurice Harkless, Or Carmelo Anthony ( vets minimum)??
All would also be pretty solid in the frontcourt, alongside any of Noel, Howard, or Whiteside for our bench depth.

[Barkley6]

Watch on YouTube

Another solid consideration for an MLE split perhaps along with Pail Milsapp, James Johnson, Jeff Green, Maurice Harkless, Or Carmelo Anthony ( vets minimum)??
All would also be pretty solid in the frontcourt, alongside any of Noel, Howard, or Whiteside for our bench depth.

I like Theis' game, and wouldn't be angry if he was the guy they went with, but I really don't want an undersized C because of how much it hinders them on the glass. Notice there's no mention of Theis' rebounding in that video because it's fairly mediocre. I'd much prefer to get Noel, Howard or McGee who can all be plus guys on the glass.

[darealjuice]

I don't expect us to use the MLE on someone to backup Ayton for 10-15 minutes per game. That's a lot of money for not a lot of playing time. I'll be happy if we use it at all considering the money to be spent keeping CP3, Ayton, Bridges, and Payne. We should be going all in while we can though.

[RunDogGun]

Watch on YouTube

Another solid consideration for an MLE split perhaps along with Pail Milsapp, James Johnson, Jeff Green, Maurice Harkless, Or Carmelo Anthony ( vets minimum)??
All would also be pretty solid in the frontcourt, alongside any of Noel, Howard, or Whiteside for our bench depth.

I like Theis' game, and wouldn't be angry if he was the guy they went with, but I really don't want an undersized C because of how much it hinders them on the glass. Notice there's no mention of Theis' rebounding in that video because it's fairly mediocre. I'd much prefer to get Noel, Howard or McGee who can all be plus guys on the glass.

Our biggest mistake was not getting one of these guys at the trade deadline. Having one of them in the finals could have been the edge we needed in games 4 and 5.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I don't expect us to use the MLE on someone to backup Ayton for 10-15 minutes per game. That's a lot of money for not a lot of playing time. I'll be happy if we use it at all considering the money to be spent keeping CP3, Ayton, Bridges, and Payne. We should be going all in while we can though.

But couldn't we just split the MLE on a backup 5 and the other percentage on a 3/4 option such as : Paul Milsapp, James Johnson, Mo Harkless, or Jeff Green? If we get a good rim protecting backup 5 ( any of Noel, Howard, or even Whiteside) Then we could consider Carmelo Anthony for offense only compliment at the 4? He's friends with Paul, And still good offensively, And could likely come pretty cheap too. Allowing us to put more money towards a backup center percentage wise on an MLE split?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Some of the names being thrown around in here outside of Siakam are forgetting the one test you need to apply when they're not A+ baller.

Are they someone who will "C U Next Tuesday"? If they are; forget them.

That's why my brain just skips over the words "Hassan Whiteside" in conjunction with the Suns.

You do realize that he's still an elite rebounder and shotblocker that also still carries a reputation as an intimidator and could likely be had for the vets minimum? I get that he has ego issues that don't really mesh with our percieved choir boy culture. But maybe, just maybe we could use an actual intimidating big man when Ayton is out to give us that edge and toughness that we lacked even after adding Crowder.

I can guarantee you that opposing teams will be a lot less willing to enter the post or penetrate to the rim with Whiteside patrolling the paint. He's just huge. As for his potential attitude issues, Don't we have a very good player friendly coach and overall stronger veteran presence to help reign in and keep players focused? For the minimum, He'd be an incredible defensive addition for our frontcourt needs.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spoiler:

Are people really thinking we will find a trade partner for Saric?

I know! Seems crazy huh? lol
But actually there have been a few interested teams it seems.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2106101

6 » by the_process » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.

Post#17 » by Godaddycurse » Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:35 pm

Saric + future 1st for Olynyk (S&T) with Houston? Houston eat some salary for a pick, phoneix get a productive 4/5

by meekrab » Yesterday 1:35 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
meekrab wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:

Of course!
I'd do it for :
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/AdYdBnFdLpWKCP/suns-bulls-contract-swap

Saric/ 29th for Aminu ( Monty connection) 38th pick.

This would give Phoenix cap relief, And a player that Monty has coached before and still has versatility and can contribute. And for the Bulls, They swap contracts, Saric once recovered can give the Bulls insurance against Markannen leaving to a very small degree, And the Bulls now have two first to address their needs at two positions. Would this be amenable for you guys?


Well if you talk to Orlando and convince them to give us our lottery pick back I'd love that. But yeah without being a mind reader and knowing what the Bulls FO is thinking of doing at 38, getting a first rounder and a pretty solid stretch 4 off the bench for Aminu who I personally consider dead salary cap would make me extremely happy.


Apologies! My bad man.
I completely forgot about the outgoing pick this year in the Vucevic trade
Still, Would you be amenable to that trade if it meant moving up from 38 to 29? Not a huge leap I know, but not terrible either, Being able to move up into the first round for a slightly higher level prospect perhaps?

Personally sure I'd do it. Saric is a better player than Aminu when they're both healthy and the Bulls have historically drafted well so even a 29th pick is valuable. Free agency dreams are overblown when we haven't even made the playoffs in years.

Post#34 » by the_process » Yesterday 3:33 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
the_process wrote:
Sixers have George Hill that would work. It would be hard to carry Dario as dead money all next year if he’s not expected to play at all, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Dario does have two years left on his deal and would help them when he gets healthy.


One of my favorite deals discussed earlier on prior to Sarics' injury. I think that Saric was comfortable in Philly and could experience a resurgence. Of course given the current situation, a modicum of incentive would/ should be added ( Could the disabled player insurance transfer in the trade)?? If so, That should theoretically soften the salary impact for him not playing. Maybe also swapping the 29th pick for Philly's 50th pick.

So Saric and the 29th for Hill ( expiring) and the 50th pick? I know that isn't a lot of incentive, However, IF the disabled player exception is transferrable via trade, Then that would drop the salary hit to only around 4 million or so. And Philly ( IF they'd want to) could move up with a 2nd late first. How would that sound?


Sounds reasonable to me.

So not a ton of really overwhelming offers of course given his injury. However, The interest is still there it seems. James Jones would have to work some magic or be willing to take back a comparably bad expiring for equitable salary purposes until he recovers next season. But the last yr comparable deals are out there. And there is a modicum of interest it seems. I'm going to keep suggesting the Saric and Crowder for Bledsoe deal because of his partial guarantee next season. That 14 million in savings could really go a long way for us next summer heading into our core extensions.

So, if we got rid of Crowder and Saric, we basically have 0 true PFs on the roster outside of Stix. It would create a massive hole. Sure CamJo can play the 4, but it kind of robs us of a lot of depth to add a superfluous guard. Yeah, it makes financial sense but to me it doesn't make a lot of basketball sense.

I get what your saying, But ..............

1- Saric isn't going to play anyways, And Crowder is actually undersized and shouldn't really be considered a power forward.

2- In combining both Saric and Crowder in the trade, The outgoing salary is equal to the incoming salary. So essentially we still head into free agency this summer with the same amount as we would have if we didn't do the trade. Bledsoe's 18 million salary would be absorbed into Sarics' and Crowders' slots.

We'd still have our MLE and Biannual to use, As well as the ability to resign Payne competitively with bird rights. And we might have even more IF Paul chooses to give us a discount in year 1 for the purpose of roster upgrades! Also, Given our recent successful run/ contention for the championship, I'm pretty sure we'd be able to convince at least one of : Milsapp, James Johnson, Mo Harkless, Jeff Green, Nik Batum? For around the MLE or a little under (as ring chasers)? Any of those players on a 1 yr deal, and we don't miss a beat depth wise and will have cleared 14 million in salary heading into next summer's extensions!

Lastly, Bledsoe would likely come back energized and with a better attitude, given that McD is no longer with us, And James Jones has strong connections to Lebron James and Klutch- Whom Bledsoe is pretty tight with. Also the chance to contend for an actual championship should fire him up competitively. He is an adept ball-handler and still a solid , strong defender at the point, Which could really compliment Payne or Booker's offense when/ if Paul sits for load management. In this regard, it makes sense to me personally basketball wise. But yes, The overall premise is to clear an additional 14 million in cap space to give us a bigger cushion heading into Ayton and Bridges big extensions! As well as to give us a competent veteran stopgap guard with solid ball handling abilities. And he'll again really only cost us around 3.9 million next season per his partial guarantee.