Future Free Agent Thread, Part 2

dr0welf · Post #461 » by **dr0welf** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:36 am

Gert42 wrote:I don't think DSJ is the type of guy I would want as a backup PG. As far as Frankie, is the idea of getting him if Conley leaves or if he stays?

Frankie would be either way, as he would be mainly for backup pg.

CAE15 · Post #462 » by **CAE15** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:48 pm

Anyone else watch Exum today and first cringe every time he hit the floor but also felt that fluttery feeling of why you fell in love with him in the first place? His ability to just blow by guys, lock up on d, making great passes after breaking the paint..man we could do worse for a minimum guard..just saying. Remember Shaun Livingston used to be injury prone also

bkohler · Post #463 » by **bkohler** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:30 pm

CAE15 wrote:Anyone else watch Exum today and first cringe every time he hit the floor but also felt that fluttery feeling of why you fell in love with him in the first place? His ability to just blow by guys, lock up on d, making great passes after breaking the paint..man we could do worse for a minimum guard..just saying. Remember Shaun Livingston used to be injury prone also

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I’d love Dante on a minimum deal.

sip · Post #464 » by **sip** » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:26 am

bkohler wrote::nod:
CAE15 wrote:Anyone else watch Exum today and first cringe every time he hit the floor but also felt that fluttery feeling of why you fell in love with him in the first place? His ability to just blow by guys, lock up on d, making great passes after breaking the paint..man we could do worse for a minimum guard..just saying. Remember Shaun Livingston used to be injury prone also

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I’d love Dante on a minimum deal.

I think most would welcome him back for the minimum. Perimeter defense is by far our biggest weakness.

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stitches · Post #465 » by **stitches** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:43 pm

According to reports, Bogdanovic and Ingles are being dangled in trade talks, while Favors and pick no. 30 are an option for contract dump:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946416-latest-trade-buzz-on-ben-simmons-bradley-beal-andshai-gilgeous-alexander

The Mavericks are also considered to be a possible landing spot for Jazz guard Mike Conley, although there's a strong belief around the league that Utah will be successful in its attempts to shed salary and offer Conley a substantial deal.

The Jazz continue to hold discussions on Joe Ingles and Bojan Bogdanovic, while Royce O'Neale, due to his lower cap figure and strong two-way success this season, is not expected to be included in any outgoing Utah package. The Jazz remain engaged in talks on trading the No. 30 pick to send Derrick Favors' salary elsewhere, sources said.

AingesBurner · Post #466 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:49 pm

stitches wrote:According to reports, Bogdanovic and Ingles are being dangled in trade talks, while Favors and pick no. 30 are an option for contract dump:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946416-latest-trade-buzz-on-ben-simmons-bradley-beal-andshai-gilgeous-alexander

The Mavericks are also considered to be a possible landing spot for Jazz guard Mike Conley, although there's a strong belief around the league that Utah will be successful in its attempts to shed salary and offer Conley a substantial deal.

The Jazz continue to hold discussions on Joe Ingles and Bojan Bogdanovic, while Royce O'Neale, due to his lower cap figure and strong two-way success this season, is not expected to be included in any outgoing Utah package. The Jazz remain engaged in talks on trading the No. 30 pick to send Derrick Favors' salary elsewhere, sources said.

So frustrating that we have to keep wasting assets on contract dumps and PG’s. I think we could get 14 for Ingles.

stitches · Post #467 » by **stitches** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:28 pm

GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:According to reports, Bogdanovic and Ingles are being dangled in trade talks, while Favors and pick no. 30 are an option for contract dump:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946416-latest-trade-buzz-on-ben-simmons-bradley-beal-andshai-gilgeous-alexander

The Mavericks are also considered to be a possible landing spot for Jazz guard Mike Conley, although there's a strong belief around the league that Utah will be successful in its attempts to shed salary and offer Conley a substantial deal.

The Jazz continue to hold discussions on Joe Ingles and Bojan Bogdanovic, while Royce O'Neale, due to his lower cap figure and strong two-way success this season, is not expected to be included in any outgoing Utah package. The Jazz remain engaged in talks on trading the No. 30 pick to send Derrick Favors' salary elsewhere, sources said.

So frustrating that we have to keep wasting assets on contract dumps and PG’s. I think we could get 14 for Ingles.

That's how it goes when you continue to make mistake after mistake. I love Favors, but even I cringed at the 3 year PLAYER option contract.

Here's from Woj:

Read on Twitter

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AingesBurner · Post #468 » by **AingesBurner** » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:06 pm

stitches wrote:
GobertReport wrote:
stitches wrote:According to reports, Bogdanovic and Ingles are being dangled in trade talks, while Favors and pick no. 30 are an option for contract dump:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946416-latest-trade-buzz-on-ben-simmons-bradley-beal-andshai-gilgeous-alexander

So frustrating that we have to keep wasting assets on contract dumps and PG’s. I think we could get 14 for Ingles.

That's how it goes when you continue to make mistake after mistake. I love Favors, but even I cringed at the 3 year PLAYER option contract.

Here's from Woj:

Read on Twitter
?s=20

Especially when serviceable centers were going for the min and BAE.

Post #469 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:11 am

What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

sip · Post #470 » by **sip** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 7:56 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

The entire thing is just stupid. The focus should be on a short term reset where we get younger and more athletic while still being competive but looking more towards the 22-23 season.

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zero24gravity · Post #471 » by **zero24gravity** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:08 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

Well, the team wasn't really a 1st-2nd round team with him, because he didn't play in the 2nd round. No way to know, but the team must feel he is a difference maker. He is an 2020-21 All Star, after all. I just don't see how the Jazz can not re-sign him (or at leat try), based on the salary situation and them being in win-now mode. With that said, his age is my concern, even more than his hammy. It seems like, especially with PG's, they just fall off the cliff all of a sudden one year.

red4hf · Post #472 » by **red4hf** » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:56 pm

Well, according to the Wiretap, Conley is staying.......

tugs · Post #473 » by **tugs** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:03 am

There goes Kris Dunn

Post #474 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:13 am

zero24gravity wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

Well, the team wasn't really a 1st-2nd round team with him, because he didn't play in the 2nd round. No way to know, but the team must feel he is a difference maker. He is an 2020-21 All Star, after all. I just don't see how the Jazz can not re-sign him (or at leat try), based on the salary situation and them being in win-now mode. With that said, his age is my concern, even more than his hammy. It seems like, especially with PG's, they just fall off the cliff all of a sudden one year.

So do you expect the Jazz to get better by keeping Conley and trading away a mix of Bojan, Ingles and Royce?

SoCalJazzFan · Post #475 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:34 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

Well, the team wasn't really a 1st-2nd round team with him, because he didn't play in the 2nd round. No way to know, but the team must feel he is a difference maker. He is an 2020-21 All Star, after all. I just don't see how the Jazz can not re-sign him (or at leat try), based on the salary situation and them being in win-now mode. With that said, his age is my concern, even more than his hammy. It seems like, especially with PG's, they just fall off the cliff all of a sudden one year.

So do you expect the Jazz to get better by keeping Conley and trading away a mix of Bojan, Ingles and Royce?

I think that they get worse by not re-singing Conley, even if it costs them Bogey or Ingles.

If they don't sign Conley and keep Bogey and Ingles, they have a taxpayer MLE ($6M) to use. Even if they were to go under the tax limit, it is less than $10M. What kind of a difference maker could they get for that? Might as well trade off Bogey and Ingles and go for young promising players and/or draft picks in an attempt to make the team better in 2-3 years. I doubt Mitchell or Gobert would approve of that approach, though. Then there is the risk the Jazz become the Kings.

zero24gravity · Post #476 » by **zero24gravity** » Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:48 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
zero24gravity wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:What's the point of re-signing Conley if you gut the team of key players just to retain him? It's not even taking one step forwards and two steps back, it's taking no steps forwards and two steps back. We've been a 1st-2nd round team without him, achieved the same results with him, and now we're going to trade key players just to keep him, and we're supposed to expect better results?

Well, the team wasn't really a 1st-2nd round team with him, because he didn't play in the 2nd round. No way to know, but the team must feel he is a difference maker. He is an 2020-21 All Star, after all. I just don't see how the Jazz can not re-sign him (or at leat try), based on the salary situation and them being in win-now mode. With that said, his age is my concern, even more than his hammy. It seems like, especially with PG's, they just fall off the cliff all of a sudden one year.

So do you expect the Jazz to get better by keeping Conley and trading away a mix of Bojan, Ingles and Royce?

Well, that's the tough situation they are in. Assuming health isn't a factor, I do think with Conley/without Bogey, they have a higher ceiling that with Bogey/without Conley. I don't see any reason the Jazz move O'Neal. He's a steal at his cap number, and is the one player on the team who provides what that are missing ... G/F defenders. As far as Ingles goes, they would need to get a wing and a solid PG on the roster to replace his production (and then there's the locker room presence), so I don't see dumping him as a great option. Bogey & Favs are the parts that make the most sense to me to be on the block, and then keep Mike at a reasonable price.

Wolverine · Post #477 » by **Wolverine** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:53 am

We should look at Jock Landale for the minimum

tugs · Post #478 » by **tugs** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:00 am

Still want James Johnson, and considering Nemanja Bjelica as well. And how about a French connection with Batum as Rudy's back up at the middle?

Edit: adding Rudy Gay as well

babyjax13 · Post #479 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:24 am

The more I look at our salary structure, I think all of Bojan/Ingles/Clarkson get moved for cheaper options + picks.

2021-22
Rudy Gobert -------- $35,344,828
Donovan Mitchell -- $28,103,550
Mike Conley -------- $25,000,000 (if true)
Bojan Bogdanovic - $18,700,000
Joe Ingles ---------- $14,000,000
Jordan Clarkson --- $12,420,000
Royce O'neale ------ $8,678,571
Udoka Azubuike --- $2,075,880
Miye Oni ------------ $1,782,621 (ung. likely stays)
Matt Thomas ------- $1,782,621 (ung. likely cut)
Elijah Hughes ------ $1,517,981 (ung. likely stays)
Total: $149,406,052
Tax: $136,000,000
+ Butler

e.g.
Bojan for Maxi Kleber with Green + Burke going to OKC for salary matching
Ingles for Eric Paschall and GSW 2022 1st (1-14, 2 2nds) with Looney + Mulder + 2 2nds going to a third team for salary matching
Clarkson to Denver, Morris + Bol Bol to NYK, 2023 DAL 1st (1-10, 1-10, 1-10, 2nd) to Utah

CAE15 · Post #480 » by **CAE15** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:47 am

Wolverine wrote:We should look at Jock Landale for the minimum

No we shouldn't. He's not nearly athletic enough. Australia is getting killed on the glass without Baynes. Yes he can shoot a bit outside but he's not bringing any rim protection. The rest of the guys we bring in need to be athletic and or really good defenders.