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[Krawczynski] Ricky Rubio for Taurean Price, 2022 second, and cash.

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Post#41 » by shangrila » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:29 pm

moonpie wrote:I'm curious how we view backup PG now. Bolmaro isn't a pure PG by any means, maybe JMac on a long-term, Hinkie special type deal? Weren't we interested in some European player last year (not Campazzo, someone else). In terms of filling the veteran leadership void, I'd love to bring back James Johnson on a minimum

I'm wondering if it's Nowell.

They played him there a bit last season, there was talk about how Finch's system doesn't need a traditional PG and there's recent comments about expanding his role.
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Post#42 » by MN7725 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:32 pm

moonpie wrote:I'm curious how we view backup PG now. Bolmaro isn't a pure PG by any means, maybe JMac on a long-term, Hinkie special type deal? Weren't we interested in some European player last year (not Campazzo, someone else). In terms of filling the veteran leadership void, I'd love to bring back James Johnson on a minimum


PG is probably most loaded position in league, unless you have rookie/inexperienced players going through growing pains, it shouldn't be hard to find competent backup PG

maybe look for a PG on a multiyear deal but will lose a spot because of an upgrade or draft pick where an expiring like Juancho, Layman or Culver (if decline his last rookie year deal), that a team might want to get off to clear a spot
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Post#43 » by Krapinsky » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:32 pm

I am pretty sure Shrink or someone proposed this trade a few months ago. Sad to lose Ricky, but I liked the trade then and still like it now. Prince fits a role that we were sorely lacking and his age fits in with our core.
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Post#44 » by shrink » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:33 pm

Klomp wrote:This is fairly significant on both counts. Rosas has talked repeatedly about sign and trades. This creates an avenue for it.

Well, you can’t combine TPE’s, so it’s an avenue to sign-and-trade a $4.25 mil deal.

But you’re right though. The significance is the space under the lux, which met help get us closer to using the MLE with less worry about crossing the lux threshold.
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Post#46 » by moonpie » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:34 pm

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moonpie wrote:I'm curious how we view backup PG now. Bolmaro isn't a pure PG by any means, maybe JMac on a long-term, Hinkie special type deal? Weren't we interested in some European player last year (not Campazzo, someone else). In terms of filling the veteran leadership void, I'd love to bring back James Johnson on a minimum


PG is probably most loaded position in league, unless you have rookie/inexperienced players going through growing pains, it shouldn't be hard to find competent backup PG

maybe look for a PG on a multiyear deal but will lose a spot because of an upgrade or draft pick where an expiring like Juancho, Layman or Culver (if decline his last rookie year deal), that a team might want to get off to clear a spot


Bledsoe comes to mind. Memphis does have some draft capital as compensation for taking on that contract too hmm...
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Post#47 » by MN7725 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:37 pm

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moonpie wrote:I'm curious how we view backup PG now. Bolmaro isn't a pure PG by any means, maybe JMac on a long-term, Hinkie special type deal? Weren't we interested in some European player last year (not Campazzo, someone else). In terms of filling the veteran leadership void, I'd love to bring back James Johnson on a minimum


PG is probably most loaded position in league, unless you have rookie/inexperienced players going through growing pains, it shouldn't be hard to find competent backup PG

maybe look for a PG on a multiyear deal but will lose a spot because of an upgrade or draft pick where an expiring like Juancho, Layman or Culver (if decline his last rookie year deal), that a team might want to get off to clear a spot


Bledsoe comes to mind. Memphis does have some draft capital as compensation for taking on that contract too hmm...


Bledsoe's salary is too high

I was thinking more like DJ Augustin, whose 2022-23 is non-guaranteed, but with Wall and who Houston may draft, might not really have a spot

maybe Delon Wright on Sac, might lose his spot when things shake out

those type of guys are fine for 15 mins a game, but won't be able to fill in full time like Rubio could when/if Russell gets hurt

plus will probably be some FA vets that would take a role since they would have playing time, heck Jeff Teague might
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Post#48 » by Norseman79 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:39 pm

This could also be one of those trades they keep adding too like the Denver trade
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Post#49 » by Baseline81 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm

This trade is about creating breathing room under the tax line.

The second round pick and cash are bonuses.
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Post#50 » by shrink » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm

MN7725 wrote:PG is probably most loaded position in league, unless you have rookie/inexperienced players going through growing pains, it shouldn't be hard to find competent backup PG

maybe look for a PG on a multiyear deal but will lose a spot because of an upgrade or draft pick where an expiring like Juancho, Layman or Culver (if decline his last rookie year deal), that a team might want to get off to clear a spot

I agree. I think because the position is so crowded, it won’t be hard to find a decent back up on a cheaper number.

I think that Rosas probably looks at finding extra value when you get a swingman like Prince because there aren’t enough of them in the league, and they provide more trade flexibility. I think that influenced his decision to draft Culver as well. In general, I don’t think this is incorrect, but talent always trumps position scarcity.
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Post#51 » by Harper4Ferry? » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:44 pm

Cavs desperately needed a backup PG and just some competent backup guards in general. Prince was a nice enough player for us for a few weeks before our season went into the trash. but we aren't going to contend anytime soon and we have other guys that can do what he can. I don't like how close this potentially puts us to the tax line. Obviously it depends on Allen's new contract and whether we do anything with our backup center Hartenstein.
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Post#52 » by Foye » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:45 pm

Seems like Wolves get worse with every trade Rosas makes.
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Post#53 » by shrink » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm

Harper4Ferry? wrote:Cavs desperately needed a backup PG and just some competent backup guards in general. Prince was a nice enough player for us for a few weeks before our season went into the trash. but we aren't going to contend anytime soon and we have other guys that can do what he can. I don't like how close this potentially puts us to the tax line. Obviously it depends on Allen's new contract and whether we do anything with our backup center Hartenstein.

I think Cavs fans will appreciate his team-first leadership, professionalism, and willingness to mentor younger players.

Ricky’s expensive, but he’s probably a good one year investment in the development of the young Cavs. I’d have been happy to keep him here, and Anthony Edwards raves about him.
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Post#54 » by MN7725 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:49 pm

MN7725 wrote:
moonpie wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
PG is probably most loaded position in league, unless you have rookie/inexperienced players going through growing pains, it shouldn't be hard to find competent backup PG

maybe look for a PG on a multiyear deal but will lose a spot because of an upgrade or draft pick where an expiring like Juancho, Layman or Culver (if decline his last rookie year deal), that a team might want to get off to clear a spot


Bledsoe comes to mind. Memphis does have some draft capital as compensation for taking on that contract too hmm...


Bledsoe's salary is too high

I was thinking more like DJ Augustin, whose 2022-23 is non-guaranteed, but with Wall and who Houston may draft, might not really have a spot

maybe Delon Wright on Sac, might lose his spot when things shake out

those type of guys are fine for 15 mins a game, but won't be able to fill in full time like Rubio could when/if Russell gets hurt

plus will probably be some FA vets that would take a role since they would have playing time, heck Jeff Teague might


Nowell might be an option too, so much of the NBA game is pick/roll, drive and kick

and he looked capable of that when he had expanded role when there were so many injuries in March
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Post#55 » by Baseline81 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:51 pm

Didn't the 76rs pay $2M for a later second round pick?
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Post#57 » by life_saver » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:57 pm

I am legit confused to see how lopsided the 'Who won the trade' poll on GB is for this trade..almost no one there thinks this is a good trade for Wolves lol.
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Post#58 » by shrink » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm

Baseline81 wrote:Didn't the 76rs pay $2M for a later second round pick?
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CBA Rules are that each team is limited in the amount of cash they send out or receive in a trade to $5.6 mil. They are mutually exclusive though, so taking in $2.5 mil in cash doesn’t mean we can now send out $8.1.

Maybe the $2.5 makes Taylor more comfortable buying a 2nd, but cash is cash. It doesn’t have to be spent on players or picks. We can hope though.
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Post#59 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:00 pm

When it was first posted it has the second going to Cleveland. Most of us feel bad Ricky is being sent to a crappy team in an even crappier city. No offense to Cleveland fans, just being honest.
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Post#60 » by shrink » Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pm

life_saver wrote:I am legit confused to see how lopsided the 'Who won the trade' poll on GB is for this trade..almost no one there thinks this is a good trade for Wolves lol.

The General Board does not see subtleties. Rubio is more famous than Prince, and rocking in the Olympics right now. But MIN gets a little for the player, the savings, the 2nd, the positional improvement, etc.

The Trade Board likes it for MIN, but are sad for Rubio. I’m with them. I can’t be happy about it because I like Rubio and I credit him with a lot of offcourt team improvements. But rationally, I can understand how this deal could help MIN.

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