[Krawczynski] Ricky Rubio for Taurean Price, 2022 second, and cash.

shangrila · Post #121 » by **shangrila** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:09 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
shangrila wrote:I didn't.

You thought the Wolves would stand pat after re-signing Hernangomez?

Pretty much.

I wanted them to make a trade for Gordon but figured the asking price would be too high (and it was), so outside of that...yeah, I didn't expect much.

Baseline81 · Post #122 » by **Baseline81** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:12 pm

shangrila wrote:Pretty much.

I wanted them to make a trade for Gordon but figured the asking price would be too high (and it was), so outside of that...yeah, I didn't expect much.

What makes you think this time around will be any different? The asking price for a starting PF is not dropping.

Battletrigger · Post #123 » by **Battletrigger** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:32 pm

I am happy with Rubio out the team. This rencounter was awful, but man, I spected we could get something more.

SO_MONEY · Post #124 » by **SO_MONEY** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:34 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
shangrila wrote:Pretty much.

I wanted them to make a trade for Gordon but figured the asking price would be too high (and it was), so outside of that...yeah, I didn't expect much.

What makes you think this time around will be any different? The asking price for a starting PF is not dropping.

In a way it probably is. How much is it dropping? Who knows. But as things are there is starting to be a shortage of picks and remaining teams are the teams at least previously unwilling to part with them. There are likely a couple/few teams left, but there are more "available" PFs than teams able to meet ridiculous offers.

shangrila · Post #125 » by **shangrila** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:37 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
shangrila wrote:Pretty much.

I wanted them to make a trade for Gordon but figured the asking price would be too high (and it was), so outside of that...yeah, I didn't expect much.

What makes you think this time around will be any different? The asking price for a starting PF is not dropping.

Because we're 1 trade into the offseason? And I think a number of things have changed from last season, namely Edwards and McDaniels' emergence have made Beasley more expendable.

But do people honestly think this is it? That Rosas is going to unplug his phone and spend the rest of the offseason wistfully staring off into the horizon?

Baseline81 · Post #126 » by **Baseline81** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:52 pm

shangrila wrote:Because we're 1 trade into the offseason? And I think a number of things have changed from last season, namely Edwards and McDaniels' emergence have made Beasley more expendable.

But do people honestly think this is it? That Rosas is going to unplug his phone and spend the rest of the offseason wistfully staring off into the horizon?

No, I do foresee another deal coming, though I'm not sure it's one I can get behind -- Gallo the likely target.

Magoose · Post #127 » by **Magoose** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:53 pm

Not exactly wowed by this move.
Ricky's contract is expiring, he was a great mentor for Ant last season and is currently keeping an aging Spanish nationalteam afloat at the Olympics.

I somehow thought he could fetch more than a very mediocre player a bit cap relief and a second. I wonder if Rosas has asked for Nance and what his price tag is.

fattymcgee · Post #128 » by **fattymcgee** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:10 pm

Magoose wrote:Not exactly wowed by this move.
Ricky's contract is expiring, he was a great mentor for Ant last season and is currently keeping an aging Spanish nationalteam afloat at the Olympics.

I somehow thought he could fetch more than a very mediocre player a bit cap relief and a second. I wonder if Rosas has asked for Nance and what his price tag is.

He was also getting paid $18M as a backup PG. Nobody wants to pay $18M for a backup PG.
The only reason why people would want to trade for his is the expiring or to swap similar contracts.

Dewey · Post #129 » by **Dewey** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:40 pm

Baseline81 wrote:
shangrila wrote:Because we're 1 trade into the offseason? And I think a number of things have changed from last season, namely Edwards and McDaniels' emergence have made Beasley more expendable.

But do people honestly think this is it? That Rosas is going to unplug his phone and spend the rest of the offseason wistfully staring off into the horizon?

No, I do foresee another deal coming, though I'm not sure it's one I can get behind -- Gallo the likely target.

I'm neutral on the Rubio/Prince swap, nonetheless, it makes any of Okogie, Culver, Layman, Juancho even more expendable than they already are. I feel the next move is more defensive and we know the Wolves have had eyes for Turner this past year, yet I dont see us as having the right assets to make that kind of a deal. Prolly gonna be a more modest defensive role player at the PF/C position.

Nick K · Post #130 » by **Nick K** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:04 pm

shrink wrote:
life_saver wrote:I am legit confused to see how lopsided the 'Who won the trade' poll on GB is for this trade..almost no one there thinks this is a good trade for Wolves lol.

The General Board does not see subtleties. Rubio is more famous than Prince, and rocking in the Olympics right now. But MIN gets a little for the player, the savings, the 2nd, the positional improvement, etc.

The Trade Board likes it for MIN, but are sad for Rubio. I’m with them. I can’t be happy about it because I like Rubio and I credit him with a lot of offcourt team improvements. But rationally, I can understand how this deal could help MIN.

I agree. Lets not forget Prince and D'Lo are buddies too. This trade was mostly about money as in cap relief.

I think Beasley, Okogie and Layman are next out the door for a PF type. It helps Taurean can swing 3/4.

I hope they keep Culver one more year to be sure he really is a bust. I'm in the minority on that one.

KGdaBom · Post #131 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:29 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:

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Nance was the player we should have got in this deal.

Post #132 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:47 pm

There are still moves to be made.

While they aren't always a factor, I wouldn't rule out the team using the TPE created in yesterday's swap.

How I would move forward is to trade Beasley (plus filler?) for a starting PF, then use the TPE for your reserve wing role departed by Beasley.

TaylorTag · Post #133 » by **TaylorTag** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:56 pm

Something like Beasely and the Washington's 2nd for Dwight Powell, which looks like it works: http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ye2repc4

Macwolf527 · Post #134 » by **Macwolf527** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:28 pm

Rubio was ideal for a young team not yet fully vested into a system, but with half a year, full offseason and a training camp, he becomes expendable. Finch pointed out towards the end of last season that he does not use a PG in the traditional sense. Pretty much anyone advances the ball on the break, so we have to judge Ricky on what he is “not”, based on the system. He’s not a knock down shooter, he’s not a finisher at the rim, he’s not a good on ball defender, and he’s not a “small contract”.

Prince, while not a grand slam, does check a few more of those boxes. His catch and shoot percentage opens the floor up for our primary scorers and to my own surprise, he has the ability to put the ball on the floor to put pressure on the rim. I see him as a transition type of player who’s added to help the development of your core players who you want to be the focal point of your offense, that being Edwards and in the near future even McDaniels. It’s not a sexy trade, but it’s a strategic one that moves you towards your goal. Rubio, while missed was not part of the long term plans. Let’s not kid ourselves, we knew this upon his re-entry to the fold.

Post #135 » by **Calinks** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:36 pm

Dane Moore thinks Prince will be playing small ball 4.

I hope we can get some size.

Post #136 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:38 pm

Calinks wrote:Dane Moore thinks Prince will be playing small ball 4. I hope we can get some size.

He's just fine as a small-ball 4.

Killboard · Post #137 » by **Killboard** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:46 pm

The difference between getting Prince and Nance could be getting 2nd or sending a 2nd. Washington don't project to be very good next season and 2022 will be a double draft, so that pick could end up being valuable.

Still, to make this a good move they need to spend the MLE on a C/PF and nail it.

shrink · Post #138 » by **shrink** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:05 pm

If Ricky plays Team USA for gold, I am not sure which team I’d root for!

I guess I’m a Rubiobo.

BlacJacMac · Post #139 » by **BlacJacMac** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:30 pm

Klomp wrote:
Calinks wrote:Dane Moore thinks Prince will be playing small ball 4. I hope we can get some size.

He's just fine as a small-ball 4.

If you don't care about rebounding or defense.

Between McDaniels and Prince, they combined for 11 Rebounds/36 last year. That's atrocious from your forwards...

breatnach · Post #140 » by **breatnach** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:35 pm

Kinda feel like we did Ricky dirty, but from a roster point of view, I can understand the trade.

Either we include Prince in a consolidation trade for someone like Turner or Collins, or we can use our full MLE. Haven't spent any time figuring out who might make a good target. Any ideas? Maybe Bobby Portis? He can opt out of his 3,7m contract and probably wouldn't mind a pay-day of his own.

Adding Bobby would bring some size and some serious tenacity / menace to our front court. He also shoots the 3 at 38% and he's the same age at KAT.